gti-6 brake conversion problems........... HELP!

1. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

   #1 29th August 2007, 20:45

   Tried to fit my gti-6 brake conversion today, but struggled.
   
   When i fitted the disc, then the caliper over the top of it, i found that the disc was touching the carrier on one side and there was a good half a inch of room on the other side. I ordered 306 GTI-6 discs, so why is this the case, should i have ordered a different type of disc?
   
   sorry if its confusing, but the pro's will know what i mean
2. medz_vtrturbo Established Member Joined: Jul 2007 anglesey Posts: 1055 saxo vtr turbo

   #2 29th August 2007, 20:51

   u got standard calipers on?
3. Toad Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can

   #3 29th August 2007, 20:54

   Sounds correct to me. If you've got 306 GTI calipers, you'll need 306 GTI disks!
   
   Can you take any pics? Sounds very wierd to me.
4. Yates Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Pompey/Darlo Posts: 31546 MK1 - 1.1 Animal

   #4 29th August 2007, 20:56

   correct carriers?
5. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

   #5 29th August 2007, 20:57

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by medz_vtrturbo u got standard calipers on?

   standard GTI calipers yeah!
   
   no, can't take any pics now. as i've put it all back together, only thing i can think of, is they must have sent me the wrong discs!!
   
   anyone know the exact measurements of the gti-6 discs?
6. davevts Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2006 w-s-m Posts: 686 vts

   #6 29th August 2007, 20:58

   283mm sounds very weird what your saying mate?
   
   a picture speaks a thousand words....
7. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

   #7 29th August 2007, 21:02

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by davevts 283mm sounds very weird what your saying mate?

   i know that sorry, lol i meant like the thickness! lol
   
   I know it seemed wierd to me too, thats why im asking for advice
8. Yates Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Pompey/Darlo Posts: 31546 MK1 - 1.1 Animal

   #8 29th August 2007, 21:03

   il go check ive got one round by the back door lol
9. Toad Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can

   #9 29th August 2007, 21:06

   Standard GTI calipers? Which GTI are you talking about then? lol
10. Yates Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Pompey/Darlo Posts: 31546 MK1 - 1.1 Animal

    #10 29th August 2007, 21:06

    2cm on the one on the car, its done less than 400 miles
11. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #11 29th August 2007, 21:07

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Toad Standard GTI calipers? Which GTI are you talking about then? lol

    the 306 GTI-6! is that not what the topic is about
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Yates 2cm on the one on the car, its done less than 400 miles

    cheers matey, rep'd!
12. Yates Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Pompey/Darlo Posts: 31546 MK1 - 1.1 Animal

    #12 29th August 2007, 21:08

    any pics of caliper?
13. Yates Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Pompey/Darlo Posts: 31546 MK1 - 1.1 Animal

    #13 29th August 2007, 21:09

    
    
    
    
    
    
    progress threads rock
14. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #14 29th August 2007, 21:10

    Bare with me, i'll go take a couple! brb
    
    *goes to take some pics*
15. Toad Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can

    #15 29th August 2007, 21:14

    Oooh, how exciting!
16. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #16 29th August 2007, 21:15

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by S34MER Bare with me, i'll go take a couple! brb *goes to take some pics*

    and of didz
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    "joke"
17. Yates Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Pompey/Darlo Posts: 31546 MK1 - 1.1 Animal

    #17 29th August 2007, 21:21

    wheres he gone for pics like lol
18. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #18 29th August 2007, 21:22

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bullit and of didz "joke"

    
    you already have enough of Didz
    
    ok chaps heres the pics
    
    
    
    
19. Yates Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Pompey/Darlo Posts: 31546 MK1 - 1.1 Animal

    #19 29th August 2007, 21:24

    are th sliders in properly cos i can see the nuts are stickin out a bit
20. user_15266 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 N.DEVON Posts: 2558 Pair of Crutches atm!

    #20 29th August 2007, 21:25

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Yates il go check ive got one round by the back door lol

    yates u often got brake disks lyin about??? lol!
21. Yates Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Pompey/Darlo Posts: 31546 MK1 - 1.1 Animal

    #21 29th August 2007, 21:26

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bide_furio yates u often got brake disks lyin about??? lol!

    lol no, but changed one other day and its just lying there
    
    
22. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #22 29th August 2007, 21:28

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Yates are th sliders in properly cos i can see the nuts are stickin out a bit

    yes, they were, i only took them off/loosened them when i removed them from the car after discovering they didn't comply with the disc!
23. Yates Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Pompey/Darlo Posts: 31546 MK1 - 1.1 Animal

    #23 29th August 2007, 21:30

    look same as mine, so have no idea, did you measure the disc? is it same width? ive just changed pads on mine today
    
    was the piston all the way in?
    
    or the sliders all the way on?
    
    still cant understand why you would have a gap
    
    do you have the correct pads? theres 2 different pads for them
24. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #24 29th August 2007, 21:35

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Yates look same as mine, so have no idea, did you measure the disc? is it same width? ive just changed pads on mine today was the piston all the way in? or the sliders all the way on? still cant understand why you would have a gap do you have the correct pads? theres 2 different pads for them

    i didn't even get as far as the pads, as the carriers were touching the disc!
    
    yes piston was compressed all the way in, and slider bolts were tight mate!
    
    im baffeled!
25. Yates Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Pompey/Darlo Posts: 31546 MK1 - 1.1 Animal

    #25 29th August 2007, 21:38

    has it had the bit grinded off yet? not that that should do anything to effect it
    
    im lookin at it and i still cant see why it wouldnt fit on properly, got them on the right way and not upside down?!
26. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #26 29th August 2007, 21:40

    yeah, we got the grinder out and showed it who the boss was. LMAO YES it was the right way round, im not that much of a fucktard!
    
    well maybe at times i am!
27. Yates Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Pompey/Darlo Posts: 31546 MK1 - 1.1 Animal

    #27 29th August 2007, 21:42

    just dont understand why its not fittin mate lol
    
    have you been able to compare it to anyone elses gti 6 calipers?
    
    where did you get the brakes from?
28. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #28 29th August 2007, 21:44

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Yates just dont understand why its not fittin mate lol have you been able to compare it to anyone elses gti 6 calipers? where did you get the brakes from?

    bought the calipers, carriers and pads from mrtuck16V! not had chance to compare them to anyone elses as i don't know anyone who has them!
29. Yates Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Pompey/Darlo Posts: 31546 MK1 - 1.1 Animal

    #29 29th August 2007, 21:46

    can only suggest bringin them to trax if your goin i dont mind gettin wheel off to compare
    
    did he have them fitted?
30. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #30 29th August 2007, 21:49

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Yates can only suggest bringin them to trax if your goin i dont mind gettin wheel off to compare did he have them fitted?

    i'm really not sure mate, didn't ask him tbh.
    
    I was hoping to get them sorted for Trax as i'll be needing them on track!
    
    but thanks very much for your help Matt!
31. Yates Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Pompey/Darlo Posts: 31546 MK1 - 1.1 Animal

    #31 29th August 2007, 21:54

    fit them in the car park! just get some fluid job done lol
32. The_Notorious_C_A_T Established Member Joined: May 2007 Near Inverurie (kind of...) Posts: 2303 Twingo Silverstone

    #32 30th August 2007, 23:46

    S34mers, your brakes look like the ones that I got when I got my 283mm setup. The seller sent me other ones that fit and they look like the ones in yates' picture. Notice the lines on the back of the piston, like fins. I would guess that yates' are bosch and the ones you have are lucas' ( I know that from the pic and the ones that didn't fit were also lucas')
    
    First set that was never going to fit
    
    
    
    Second set that fitted spot on, no grinding or anything
    
    
33. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #33 31st August 2007, 00:28

    if there 406 283mm calipers and carriers then they wont fit and will hit the disk at an angle, the reason for this is the 406 283mm calipers are the same as the gti6 but the carriers are completly different. it looks like 406 ones in that top pic
34. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #34 31st August 2007, 07:38

    Notorious CAT your right yeah, they are Lucas ones, they have Lucas on the side! what does this mean then? does this mean they are 406 calipers as Stevenet15 suggested!?
35. pow Frequent Poster Joined: May 2007 <3in Jackman Posts: 884 RSport 182

    #35 31st August 2007, 12:06

    If they are then sourceing 306 carriers would be the way forward? and all problems solved
36. The_Notorious_C_A_T Established Member Joined: May 2007 Near Inverurie (kind of...) Posts: 2303 Twingo Silverstone

    #36 31st August 2007, 12:08

    Not sure about what car they are from buddy to be honest. But if you look at my pictures of the 2 different carriers one is like a smooth curve near where the bolts go in, and the others ones (the lucas ones that didn't fit) have a straight edge, then another straight edge.
    
    Where did you get them from? If it was online any links?
    
    But I think you could just get new carriers for the caliper. But I'm not totally sure about that, never took them both apart and had a play about by swapping parts on the 2 sets. So get someone to confirm whether or not that possible before you buy!
37. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #37 31st August 2007, 12:48

    the carriers are very expensive £95 a side iirc and there very hard to find seperatly on ebay etc... so might be better to jsut buy some gti6 calipers with carriers and sell your ones on, i am almost positive there 406 ones
38. PRICEY-VTS Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2006 sunny sunderland Posts: 705 jdm honda civic type-r

    #38 31st August 2007, 12:59

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by S34MER bought the calipers, carriers and pads from mrtuck16V! not had chance to compare them to anyone elses as i don't know anyone who has them!

    these are the ones what a was going to buy he did say to me about there being a offset with the disc what ever thet means lol hope you get them fitted bud gudluck
39. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #39 31st August 2007, 17:39

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by The_Notorious_C_A_T Where did you get them from? If it was online any links?!

    I bought them from a member on here Paul aka mrtuck16V
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by stevenet15 so might be better to jsut buy some gti6 calipers with carriers and sell your ones on, i am almost positive there 406 ones

    is their any way of finding out what their off?? and if they are from the 406 will the 406 disc fit the saxo?? thanks for the help so far guys, I think i owe a few of you a pint or two!
40. Peedee Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Chelmsford, Essex Posts: 207 VTS mk2

    #40 31st August 2007, 17:55

    Here's one I did earlier!!!
    
    On me VTS complete with goodridge braided hoses and GTI-6 brake cylinder.
    
    http://s209.photobucket.com/albums/b...t=IMGP0410.jpg
41. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #41 31st August 2007, 18:08

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Peedee Here's one I did earlier!!! On me VTS complete with goodridge braided hoses and GTI-6 brake cylinder. http://s209.photobucket.com/albums/b...t=IMGP0410.jpg

    yeah great! thanks, but that doesn't help mate! this is not just an opportunity to post your own pics up!
42. The_Notorious_C_A_T Established Member Joined: May 2007 Near Inverurie (kind of...) Posts: 2303 Twingo Silverstone

    #42 31st August 2007, 18:28

    I would contact him for a refund, or a replacement set.
    
    The guy I bought mine off sorted it no problem since they were never going to work without major messing like.
43. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #43 31st August 2007, 18:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by S34MER is their any way of finding out what their off?? and if they are from the 406 will the 406 disc fit the saxo?? thanks for the help so far guys, I think i owe a few of you a pint or two!

    no 406 discs wont fit there 5 stud on the 283mm ones for the 406 and completly different offset, i am almost certain the ones u have are off a 406 but if there is a part number you could call pug up and see if they can confirm it
    
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Peedee Here's one I did earlier!!! On me VTS complete with goodridge braided hoses and GTI-6 brake cylinder. http://s209.photobucket.com/albums/b...t=IMGP0410.jpg

    you mean here's one i did earlier
44. The_Notorious_C_A_T Established Member Joined: May 2007 Near Inverurie (kind of...) Posts: 2303 Twingo Silverstone

    #44 31st August 2007, 18:36

    I'm with Steve on this one here.
    
    As even if you got the 406 disks to somehow fit, just try line up the carriers against the bolt holes on the strutt, and you will notice the angle they would sit at shows they just wouldn't work.
45. Yates Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Pompey/Darlo Posts: 31546 MK1 - 1.1 Animal

    #45 31st August 2007, 19:51

    i know that mine didnt have lucas on, which could mean yours are 406 ones, i read other day sayin they bought the lucas ones which i wasnt sure on
    
    bummer if they are 406 ones, have to see if you can get money back
46. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #46 31st August 2007, 22:19

    i've pm'd him to ask for a refund, so we'll see what mrtuck16V says!?
47. mrtuck16v Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 373 Carbon'd Vts Pulsar GTI-R

    #47 31st August 2007, 22:40

    Refund given straight away
48. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #48 31st August 2007, 22:45

    was just about to say, you have been very understanding about the whole thing, In actual fact i don't think it was Paul's (mrtuck16V) fault at all!
    
    he aquired them from a scrap yard with the understanding they were gti-6 brakes, and they gave him the wrong ones. this chap has an excellent attitude, and was more than happy to refund the money straight away!
    
    I'd most certainly recommend him in future!!
49. Yates Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Pompey/Darlo Posts: 31546 MK1 - 1.1 Animal

    #49 31st August 2007, 23:48

    least thats all sorted, obv if you just have calipers cant be that easy to tell
50. Mark51p Super Moderator Joined: Sep 2006 Wakefield Posts: 14427 Golf GT

    #50 1st September 2007, 00:33

    glad to see things are sorted, have you got a set of calipers then?
51. The_Notorious_C_A_T Established Member Joined: May 2007 Near Inverurie (kind of...) Posts: 2303 Twingo Silverstone

    #51 1st September 2007, 06:33

    Good to see it's all sorted now.
    
    Yates, what size master cylinder do you use?