1.4 Gearbox Problem

1. mod2max L-plater Joined: Feb 2007 Cornwall Posts: 51

   #1 2nd September 2007, 11:20

   Ok, so I have a Saxo VSX P reg 1.4i and, oh yay, the gearbox has just gone
   
   And I was wondering if I could slam a 1600cc VTR or VTS box in it as I am having a little bit of trouble finding a 1400cc gearbox. Or even somthing lower like a 1100cc or even a 1000cc .
   
   If it is even remotely possible what differences would it make to the cars behaviour? Like acceleration, top end speed and whatever...
2. Mark51p Super Moderator Joined: Sep 2006 Wakefield Posts: 14427 Golf GT

   #2 2nd September 2007, 11:23

   im sure you can use a vtr box mate but i think that the power lower down will be affected. your best bet is to wait until some of the people come online that are at trax and they will be able to give you a definate answer.
   
   or PM Toad or williamsvts
3. mod2max L-plater Joined: Feb 2007 Cornwall Posts: 51

   #3 2nd September 2007, 11:26

   Thanks mate
4. Lee5_4_X_0 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Derby Posts: 148 Blue Saxo Westcoast

   #4 2nd September 2007, 12:21

   You can put a vtr box on mate, only difference between the 1.4 and vtr box's r that the vtr will have a longer rev range in 1st and 2nd (lower ratio). just a straight swap mate.hope this helps
5. Joesnow Frequent Poster Joined: May 2006 Posts: 691 Mk 1 VTS poseidon blue

   #5 2nd September 2007, 12:35

   VTR box is almost exactly the same as the 1.4… doubt you will notice any difference. The 1.1s the same as the 1.0 but I’d stay away from them otherwise any other box would be a plus.
   
   Some of the speeds for a few boxes at 6250rpm so you can see the difference…
   
   
   954 and 1124cc petrol
   
   1st 28.1mph
   2nd 53.1mph
   3rd 75.3mph
   4th 93.6mph
   5th 125.2mph
   
   1.4
   
   1st 29.9mph
   2nd 55.8mph
   3rd 85.3mph
   4th 106.1mph
   5th 142.0mph
   
   VTR
   
   1st 31.4mph
   2nd 60.2mph
   3rd 85.3mph
   4th 106.1mph
   5th 142.0mph
   
   VTS
   
   1st 30.0mph
   2nd 53.4mph
   3rd 76.5mph
   4th 99.1mph
   5th 122.5mph
   
   These are calculated from the gear ratios in the Haynes manual and are more or less the actual speed you will be going at 6250rpm rather than the indicated speed which is out by a bit.
   
   I’ve got a spreadsheet with all the boxes I know of so just give me a shout if you want any more.
6. mod2max L-plater Joined: Feb 2007 Cornwall Posts: 51

   #6 2nd September 2007, 12:54

   Thanks for your help guys thats put my mind at rest
   
   But if anyone knows anything else please post
7. mod2max L-plater Joined: Feb 2007 Cornwall Posts: 51

   #7 2nd September 2007, 13:00

   Oh and I was also wndering if age matters, for example if I pull a gearbox out of a 2001 or onwards or any other age Sax would it fit in my 1996 Sax?
8. Scattle Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Benfleet, Essex Posts: 10834 Megane 225 Cup

   #8 2nd September 2007, 13:03

   Not sure on that one, theres a geezer called Tiff up in yorkshire who has a scrapyard of over 40 Saxos, he's on here somewhere, give him a ring, his number is, 07686371482
9. user_15266 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 N.DEVON Posts: 2558 Pair of Crutches atm!

   #9 2nd September 2007, 13:08

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Joesnow 1.4 1st 29.9mph 2nd 55.8mph 3rd 85.3mph 4th 106.1mph 5th 142.0mph

   wish i cud get tht outta mine!
10. mod2max L-plater Joined: Feb 2007 Cornwall Posts: 51

    #10 2nd September 2007, 13:48

    Cheears guys you've all been a grate help, dunno what I would have done other wise, probable still be here going oh my god, oh my god, OH MY GOD!
    
    So yeah cheears for setting my mind at rest once again
    
    I am in all your debts...
11. Toad Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can

    #11 3rd September 2007, 08:33

    OK, looks like that one's sorted.
12. tif992ss Saxo Breaker Joined: May 2007 Scarborough ,North Yorks Posts: 927 1.1 Saxo with gas ( methane )

    #12 3rd September 2007, 09:03

    yes you can put a vtr box in but you will need the correct vrt shafts to go with the box, as your 1400 will not fit the diff correctly
    Tiff
13. Joesnow Frequent Poster Joined: May 2006 Posts: 691 Mk 1 VTS poseidon blue

    #13 3rd September 2007, 17:29

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tif992ss yes you can put a vtr box in but you will need the correct vrt shafts to go with the box, as your 1400 will not fit the diff correctly Tiff

    That’s the first I’ve heard of that… I thought they were all the same at the box end? I thought only a few varied where they connected to the hubs? If that’s the case… which ones are compatible with which shafts?