mi-16/vts -gti-6 conversion??????

1. Maxwell Established Member Joined: Aug 2007 Turin, Italy Posts: 2238 Fiesta ST-2, Saxo VTS ph2

   #1 4th September 2007, 23:35

   right theres a wee chance i could be getting a wicked red mk1 vtr....and was thinkin of a conversion.
   
   
   theres a guy that goes trackdaying in northern ireland here, in a bog standard looking ax...but he has an mi-16 engine with cams and head done running on twin 45s etc, and it embarrasses 400bhp cossies on straights!
   
   
   has anyone here done the conversion on a saxo??? and if so, whats the ins and outs? mounts???? looms??? any modifications to chassis etc??? as much info is needed people!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

   #2 5th September 2007, 00:00

   why not ask the bloke that has already done it?
3. frankie Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2006 Frome, down deepest, darkest zummerset Posts: 12971 VTRallye

   #3 5th September 2007, 00:11

   ive got an issuse of max power where they put an mi-16 into a 106, and the blokey said it was a right ball ache.lol
4. Karl Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26

   #4 5th September 2007, 08:35

   Pug1Off fit GTi-6 engines into 106 / 205, so im guessing they'd do a Sax too.
5. user_15989 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 Posts: 4857

   #5 5th September 2007, 09:28

   
6. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #6 5th September 2007, 14:41

   gt06 conversions have been done tons now
7. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

   #7 5th September 2007, 15:24

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 gt06 conversions have been done tons now

   worth doing or not? anyone know the work involved\?
8. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #8 5th September 2007, 16:01

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Steve_VTS worth doing or not? anyone know the work involved\?

   several threads on it.
   
   need bits machining for it and a few modifications.
   
   for the lb torque it produces is an interesting option. alot say it will handle like a boat, im not to sure if thats the case.
9. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

   #9 5th September 2007, 16:06

   Think thats the main reason why Bic is going for the 2 litre next, he said something about having more torque..
   
   Yeah i have always had the belief it wont fuck up the handling, the 205's were fine and they are like the same size car and a similar designed chassis etc as the saxo..
   
   You may need to upgrade the suspension to some stiffer items to aid the extra weight of the engine..
10. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #10 5th September 2007, 16:38

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by James_Bristol Think thats the main reason why Bic is going for the 2 litre next, he said something about having more torque..

    and because everyone laughed at his cars performance
    
    be interesting to see how the new engine performs, if the hype wasnt there about bic during the build i think there wouldnt have been so many people disapointed with its times.
    
    Also something to remeber is with gti-6 the 6speed box is better off ditched.
11. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #11 5th September 2007, 16:43

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 and because everyone laughed at his cars performance be interesting to see how the new engine performs, if the hype wasnt there about bic during the build i think there wouldnt have been so many people disapointed with its times. Also something to remeber is with gti-6 the 6speed box is better off ditched.

    Its not slow though, much more suited to actual track driving than 1/4 miles imo..
    
    That thing would be a serious weapon tbh..
    
    About the hype thing, yeah i agree..It was built to Super 1600 spec, not to be the fastest N/A 1600 106 on the planet..i think alot of people forgot that..
12. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #12 5th September 2007, 16:49

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by James_Bristol Its not slow though, much more suited to actual track driving than 1/4 miles imo.. That thing would be a serious weapon tbh.. About the hype thing, yeah i agree..It was built to Super 1600 spec, not to be the fastest N/A 1600 106 on the planet..i think alot of people forgot that..

    s1600s dont have 2.0L though
13. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #13 5th September 2007, 16:51

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 s1600s dont have 2.0L though

    Good point..
14. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #14 5th September 2007, 17:00

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by James_Bristol Its not slow though, much more suited to actual track driving than 1/4 miles imo.. That thing would be a serious weapon tbh.. About the hype thing, yeah i agree..It was built to Super 1600 spec, not to be the fastest N/A 1600 106 on the planet..i think alot of people forgot that..

    I think Bic did think he could get the fastest n/a engine, but as he is not an engine builder he relies on others to tell him what he should build. Sadely the new engine is again being built to a race spec and not the fastest n/a engine. 270bhp will be fast though so I doubt anyone will complain this time lol
15. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #15 5th September 2007, 17:02

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KamRacing I think Bic did think he could get the fastest n/a engine, but as he is not an engine builder he relies on others to tell him what he should build. Sadely the new engine is again being built to a race spec and not the fastest n/a engine. 270bhp will be fast though so I doubt anyone will complain this time lol

    Will be wild!!
    
    lol
16. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #16 5th September 2007, 17:06

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KamRacing I think Bic did think he could get the fastest n/a engine, but as he is not an engine builder he relies on others to tell him what he should build. Sadely the new engine is again being built to a race spec and not the fastest n/a engine. 270bhp will be fast though so I doubt anyone will complain this time lol

    as said. its all about the pub bragging rights, which is a shame.
17. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #17 5th September 2007, 17:09

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 as said. its all about the pub bragging rights, which is a shame.

    True..The 1600 has a spec any track enthusiast would wish for who owns a 106/saxo..
    
    Fairplay though if he can do it..I would if i could afford to tbh..:d
18. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #18 5th September 2007, 17:15

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by James_Bristol True..The 1600 has a spec any track enthusiast would wish for who owns a 106/saxo.. Fairplay though if he can do it..I would if i could afford to tbh..:d

    the whole thing about bic building it though was so he had HIS own 1600 spec car, people used to say on forums why not just buy an ex works one, i used to read because he wanted his own one that was un abused etc...
    people used to say turbo it etc.. but would get its being built to maxi spec...
    
    so putting a 2.0L in is going against all has been said from day one lol
19. leeroybrown Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2006 Durham Posts: 16000 Clio Trophy 025/500

    #19 5th September 2007, 17:24

    Exactly Ryan.. would defeat the ojective tbh if he did that
20. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #20 5th September 2007, 17:25

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by leeroybrown Exactly Ryan.. would defeat the ojective tbh if he did that

    He is doing that..
21. leeroybrown Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2006 Durham Posts: 16000 Clio Trophy 025/500

    #21 5th September 2007, 17:27

    A bit of topic
    
    James was that you in the pink saxo at traxs on the track
    
    I watch someone be rather agressive maybe alittle to agressive on the corners at traxs
22. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #22 5th September 2007, 17:28

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by leeroybrown A bit of topic James was that you in the pink saxo at traxs on the track I watch someone be rather agressive maybe alittle to agressive on the corners at traxs

    lol
    
    Its not pink..
    
    Yeah that may have been me..I like to throw it in tbh..:d
23. leeroybrown Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2006 Durham Posts: 16000 Clio Trophy 025/500

    #23 5th September 2007, 17:30

    Throw it in...... come on you should know there are better ways of taking corners then "Throwing it in"
    
    Use JP theory use the engine to slow down then gradule power off the corners
    
    Looked good though i must admit
24. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #24 5th September 2007, 17:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by leeroybrown Throw it in...... come on you should know there are better ways of taking corners then "Throwing it in" Use JP theory use the engine to slow down then gradule power off the corners Looked good though i must admit

    I dont take it seriously..Its all about fun and if you throw a car in properly and keep it nailed its a quick way of taking corners and alot more fun..:d
    
    Thanks dude..
25. leeroybrown Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2006 Durham Posts: 16000 Clio Trophy 025/500

    #25 5th September 2007, 17:33

    Tried to find you afterwards but could only see the pink beast and not you
26. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #26 5th September 2007, 17:35

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by leeroybrown Exactly Ryan.. would defeat the ojective tbh if he did that

    what i want to know is what will happen if the new engine underperforms and doesnt run as good as his current one lol.
27. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #27 5th September 2007, 17:35

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by leeroybrown Tried to find you afterwards but could only see the pink beast and not you

    LOL
    
    Its not pink!
    
    Why you try and find me..?
    
    Is it a good thing..lol
28. leeroybrown Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2006 Durham Posts: 16000 Clio Trophy 025/500

    #28 5th September 2007, 17:37

    Quote:

    what i want to know is what will happen if the new engine underperforms and doesnt run as good as his current one lol.

    Good question... tbh i would stick with the current one.. after seeing him at traxs, does he really need anymore power etc.. now he is just being greedy lol
    
    

    Quote:

    LOL Its not pink! Why you try and find me..? Is it a good thing..lol

    Just to say hello really and comment on your wild driving
29. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #29 5th September 2007, 17:38

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by leeroybrown Throw it in...... come on you should know there are better ways of taking corners then "Throwing it in" Use JP theory use the engine to slow down then gradule power off the corners Looked good though i must admit

    i think his overdamped rear end doesnt help matters tbh!
30. leeroybrown Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2006 Durham Posts: 16000 Clio Trophy 025/500

    #30 5th September 2007, 17:39

    Was funny to watch tbh
    
    Kept saying to my mate
    
    Watch the pink Saxo
    
    Looks like he is driving like he stole it lol
31. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #31 5th September 2007, 17:42

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by leeroybrown Was funny to watch tbh Kept saying to my mate Watch the pink Saxo Looks like he is driving like he stole it lol

    i was glad to see he kept his foot in though, alot of people would have lifted off and spun. Only the vids ive seen have i felt james brakes a tad early (at donnington) and like me likes to throw the car into the corner. there at least seems to be some appreciation for a line in there lol
32. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #32 5th September 2007, 17:42

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by leeroybrown Throw it in...... come on you should know there are better ways of taking corners then "Throwing it in" Use JP theory use the engine to slow down then gradule power off the corners Looked good though i must admit

    Personally I'd use the brakes to slow down ..
    
    Poo shaped braking technique works best
33. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #33 5th September 2007, 17:43

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by leeroybrown Just to say hello really and comment on your wild driving

    Oh right..Cool..
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 i think his overdamped rear end doesnt help matters tbh!

    I like it though..would rather that than understeer..
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by leeroybrown Was funny to watch tbh Kept saying to my mate Watch the pink Saxo Looks like he is driving like he stole it lol

    Its a right laugh though..You should try it..:d
34. leeroybrown Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2006 Durham Posts: 16000 Clio Trophy 025/500

    #34 5th September 2007, 17:43

    I need to get on the next track session tbh
    
    I feel i need to prove something
    
    No idea what mind
    
    What i'll have a go
35. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #35 5th September 2007, 17:45

    Track driving is a right laugh..i love it..
    
    I just go wild and abuse my car like fuk..I now have a problem with it after trax..lol
36. GrantW Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 Near Glasgow Posts: 3362 None...

    #36 5th September 2007, 17:46

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KamRacing Poo shaped braking technique works best

    Whats that then?
    
    I dunno what I was doing round the track, just slammed brakes on before the corners and took them as quick as i dared lol! Got some nice squealing, but nearly lost it in front of josh haha
37. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #37 5th September 2007, 17:47

    slow in fast out, you want to scrub the speed off before the corner and accelerate through it, not be scrubbing the speed off mid corner.
38. leeroybrown Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2006 Durham Posts: 16000 Clio Trophy 025/500

    #38 5th September 2007, 17:47

    Its all about the racing line lol
    
    Thats if your racing
    
    If its a little fun doesnt matter
39. smearsvtr Established Member Joined: May 2007 My House in Burton on trent near derby Posts: 1025 Saxo 1.1 96 Saxo VTR 2000

    #39 5th September 2007, 17:48

    1 word comes 2 mind crazy turbo mi16 in a saxo would be lethal
40. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #40 5th September 2007, 17:48

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 slow in fast out, you want to scrub the speed off before the corner and accelerate through it, not be scrubbing the speed off mid corner.

    If your name is Michael Schumacer and your trying to win the F1 championship..(i know he dont race anymore btw)
    
    If your name is James and you drive a pink Saxo its just about fun..
41. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #41 5th September 2007, 17:50

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by James_Bristol If your name is Michael Schumacer and your trying to win the F1 championship..(i know he dont race anymore btw) If your name is James and you drive a pink Saxo its just about fun..

    its more fun going faster though, although i do like a bit of uber late braking on turn in lol!
42. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #42 5th September 2007, 17:51

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 its more fun going faster though, although i do like a bit of uber late braking on turn in lol!

    Yeah i agree..
    
    You cant beat abit of lift off oversteer at 60+ mph though..:d
43. leeroybrown Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2006 Durham Posts: 16000 Clio Trophy 025/500

    #43 5th September 2007, 17:52

    I couldnt see it as fun tbh
    
    I am to competitive i would have to drive hard lol
44. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #44 5th September 2007, 17:53

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by leeroybrown I couldnt see it as fun tbh I am to competitive i would have to drive hard lol

    you wouldnt have liked driving my car then.
    
    fucked PAS, and std suspension and engine lol!
45. leeroybrown Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2006 Durham Posts: 16000 Clio Trophy 025/500

    #45 5th September 2007, 17:54

    thats to hard lol
46. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #46 5th September 2007, 17:56

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by leeroybrown thats to hard lol

    its a great gym session though!
    
    work that upper body bitch!!
47. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #47 5th September 2007, 18:15

    I have told you over MSN and in person Ryan.. No PAS=Hard work and to go on track and drive competitvely is another thing..Your mad..lol
48. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #48 5th September 2007, 18:16

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by James_Bristol I have told you over MSN and in person Ryan.. No PAS=Hard work and to go on track and drive competitvely is another thing..Your mad..lol

    init YO!
49. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #49 5th September 2007, 18:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 init YO!

    LOL
    
    No PAS..
50. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #50 5th September 2007, 18:19

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by James_Bristol LOL No PAS..

    it would be fine if i had a non PAS rack, but i dont lol!
    
    just wait till i finally have a working 157.2bhp
51. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #51 5th September 2007, 18:25

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 it would be fine if i had a non PAS rack, but i dont lol! just wait till i finally have a working 157.2bhp

    
    
    I cant wait..
    
    Passenger ride for me i think..
52. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #52 5th September 2007, 18:27

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by James_Bristol I cant wait.. Passenger ride for me i think..

    lol if i fit the second recaro
53. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #53 5th September 2007, 18:29

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 lol if i fit the second recaro

    
    
    Go on..try and scare me..:d
    
    You know you want to hear me scream like a girl..
54. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #54 5th September 2007, 18:37

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by James_Bristol Go on..try and scare me..:d You know you want to hear me scream like a girl..

    i heard you were screaming like a girl when matt yates was rimming you in the bogs
55. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #55 5th September 2007, 18:43

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 i heard you were screaming like a girl when matt yates was rimming you in the bogs

    
    
    How do you know..
56. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #56 5th September 2007, 18:44

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by James_Bristol How do you know..

    as i said I HEARD you!
57. Yates Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Pompey/Darlo Posts: 31546 MK1 - 1.1 Animal

    #57 5th September 2007, 18:45

    james your lucky i didnt see you on track
    
    did anyone spin in the saxp session? from what i gather te ssc had a few spinners
58. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #58 5th September 2007, 18:45

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 as i said I HEARD you!

    Oh yeah..
59. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #59 5th September 2007, 18:46

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Yates james your lucky i didnt see you on track did anyone spin in the saxp session? from what i gather te ssc had a few spinners

    Why's that Mr Yates?
    
    You weren't quick enough..
60. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #60 5th September 2007, 18:47

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Yates james your lucky i didnt see you on track did anyone spin in the saxp session? from what i gather te ssc had a few spinners

    
    seamer span, about 2 laps after he overtook cloud.
61. Yates Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Pompey/Darlo Posts: 31546 MK1 - 1.1 Animal

    #61 5th September 2007, 18:48

    would of showed you why the engine your building should of been a 16v
    
    and for the record james loved the rimming
62. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #62 5th September 2007, 18:48

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Yates would of showed you why the engine your building should of been a 16v and for the record james loved the rimming

    
    
    
    I did enjoy the rimming tbh..
63. Yates Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Pompey/Darlo Posts: 31546 MK1 - 1.1 Animal

    #63 5th September 2007, 18:49

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 seamer span, about 2 laps after he overtook cloud.

    didnt know that track hero cloud over took?
64. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #64 5th September 2007, 18:51

    seamer looked quite fast tbh, until (i think he lifted off mid corner and couldnt hold it)