TB's vs Turbo

7th September 2007, 14:20

Which would get the most respect at a show? -

A VTS with wild cams & tb's

or a VTS turbo running 250bhp+

7th September 2007, 14:21

depends on who's looking at it,
I personally would prefer option one.

turbos for show though definitely.

7th September 2007, 14:23

As soulless said..Depends who's looking at it..

I prefer TB's over a turbo..

7th September 2007, 14:24

Respect PMSL

Be different is the key tbh

7th September 2007, 14:24

id personally go TBs.

booost is ghey

Tbs on TU engines dont give huge power unlike on redtop engines for example. But give good throttle response, improve all over torque and sound the bollocks.

the only thing a turbo does is go broom tish! which makes the macdonalds crew beat off over. lol

turbos may produce more bhp but a well driven NA engine will piss on a tubby round a track

7th September 2007, 14:25

lots of McDonalds crew go to shows though,
hence if your building the engine to just show..

Turbo.

7th September 2007, 14:27

Better noise with TB's people dont know whats coming

You'll always get looks with a TB car full stop

7th September 2007, 14:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

Better noise with TB's people dont know whats coming

You'll always get looks with a TB car full stop

most people getting out of the way thinking what the fuck, its thunderbird 1 comming after me

7th September 2007, 14:29

Prefer Thunderbird 2 tbh

7th September 2007, 14:30

if you got turbo gota have more than one, just to be greedy lmao.

tb's look minter.

7th September 2007, 14:31

if you intend to use the power, throttle bodies seem the more sensible of the two options,
would be pretty hard keeping say 250+bhp turbo's Saxo to the ground.

7th September 2007, 14:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

Prefer Thunderbird 2 tbh

what about the giant pink limo not ur style?

7th September 2007, 14:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soulless

if you intend to use the power, throttle bodies seem the more sensible of the two options,
would be pretty hard keeping say 250+bhp turbo's Saxo to the ground.

theyre great for cleaning the wet tarmac though

7th September 2007, 14:36

LOL at Respect also. Thats a Need for Speed Underground thing eh?
"Your just earned yourself 5 stars rep hot shot!"

I do love Turbos, for example check this beauty of a Turbo'ed 106 at Trax:

But on these types of engines I would much prefer N/A TBs. End of the day mate
if you leave your bonnet closed who will know the differenc

7th September 2007, 14:39

NO offence to anyone who owns a turbo saxo but.......

They always dont seem to last long at all with out something blowing up..

Ryan

You'd be Parker anyway if i had the pink Limo... Now drive me home bitch

7th September 2007, 14:48

both are good performance conversions if done correctly. Never base a performance modification on whether someone will release bodily fluids over your car in sheer exitement. Otherwse you end up with an engine hat looks nice but doesnt meet its full potential, a bodykit for your engine so to speak...

7th September 2007, 14:48

id prefer tbs anyday, hence why i have them, but we are having a debate at work about it & just wanted some other opinions

7th September 2007, 14:49

That yellow thing looks shyte.

7th September 2007, 14:50

imo rush that yellow one is hideous.

7th September 2007, 14:53

There's nothing like hearing a TB'd engine coming up a rally stage..

But then again if a turbo'd car is running anti lag etc like a WRC car then they sound damn good too..

7th September 2007, 14:55

The spoiler is wrong, but look at the bodywork Toad mate, and it sits perfect.
Nasty rims though.

I think Kams comment is spot on.

7th September 2007, 14:59

that yellow one looks like an old one that was done, but irc he sold it off as parts.

cant remeber his name he was on a few forums and had a few features.

was a carworx tubby engine irc.

7th September 2007, 15:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

You'd be Parker anyway if i had the pink Limo... Now drive me home bitch

yes MEEE LADY!

7th September 2007, 15:01

Im sure his is a Carworx jobby mate. Its on PGAC a bit I think?

7th September 2007, 15:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by KamRacing

both are good performance conversions if done correctly. Never base a performance modification on whether someone will release bodily fluids over your car in sheer exitement. Otherwse you end up with an engine hat looks nice but doesnt meet its full potential, a bodykit for your engine so to speak...

i know several of them lol

7th September 2007, 15:04

personally prefer to see an engine with TB's

7th September 2007, 15:04

I wish I had an engine that made people release bodily fluids tbh

7th September 2007, 15:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soulless

I wish I had an engine that made people release bodily fluids tbh

have some sharp edges on it, they will realease body fluids then when they cut the fuck out of themselves lol

7th September 2007, 15:09

Karl but a reanult then, to release those fluids lol

7th September 2007, 15:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

Karl but a reanult then, to release those fluids lol

7th September 2007, 15:12

how did i know i'd get that from you

7th September 2007, 15:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

how did i know i'd get that from you

you love it

* i do like the renault ranges btw incase didnt say at trax *

7th September 2007, 15:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

Karl but a reanult then, to release those fluids lol

decided against the 182 mate,
will be alot better off if i keep the S mate,
maybe in a year

7th September 2007, 15:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soulless

maybe in a year

wash your mouth out

7th September 2007, 15:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

wash your mouth out

dont get me wrong, Love the Saxo's.

Just wouldnt mind a newer car
Plus,
I could cam my VTS and take absolutely everything out of it..

...or could just buy something quicker and keep my rear seats etc.

7th September 2007, 15:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soulless

dont get me wrong, Love the Saxo's.

Just wouldnt mind a newer car
Plus,
I could cam my VTS and take absolutely everything out of it..

...or could just buy something quicker and keep my rear seats etc.

or you could not shag fat birds

on a serious note the 1*2 range is a nice range, if i handnt have built my track car id have one tbh

7th September 2007, 15:17

ha ha Listen to Ryan

Honest the clio is just a saxo tbh just newer and quicker. If i ever wanted something cheap and fun i'd defo be going back to a cammed vts, white this time

7th September 2007, 15:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soulless

I wish I had an engine that made people release bodily fluids tbh

dont think Megiurs offer a cleaning kit for that

7th September 2007, 15:20

Queers,
tbh - I do look at my Saxo and love the way they look.
perhaps ill just roll with it till it goes bang.

think the Clios will depreciate like a beast too.

why would i shag fat birds Ryan? cunt.

7th September 2007, 15:20

Quote:

think the Clios will depreciate like a beast too.

Thats why you either buy a cup a proper one or a trophy tbh

7th September 2007, 15:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

Thats why you either buy a cup a proper one or a trophy tbh

Mate, thats like saying, buy a VTS because itll depreciate less.

7th September 2007, 15:22

Yeah but there were only 500 trophys made and even less cups, cant say that about a saxo can you

7th September 2007, 15:24

if i had the money id go out now buy a mk1 172, and put a phase 2 rear bumper on it. there was one on cliosport that was fucking stunning. i love the slats on the mk1, and theyre more of a sleeper than the newer shapes imo

7th September 2007, 15:25

phase 1 are just lol to look at tbh.
look worse than a kick in the nuts.
would never buy one even if they are better cars than the phase 2.

7th September 2007, 15:25

Plua they have a good old fashion accelerator cable and not this elec shit i have

7th September 2007, 15:26

I never really heard a TB'd car until I heard GodGTI's.. That was lovelly. Just sex in the ears..

7th September 2007, 15:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soulless

phase 1 are just lol to look at tbh.
look worse than a kick in the nuts.
would never buy one even if they are better cars than the phase 2.

i shall try and find the pic of this phase one, you will eat your words.

7th September 2007, 15:27

7th September 2007, 15:28

okay Ryan do that bud please

Wish I got to hear gods 106 tbh..

Ive heard vtr130s when it was on 708s, didnt sound that impressive, but bare in mind, was on an industrial estate with shed loads of other cars (such as impreza's) ragging it.

and Leeroy, that pic doesnt sway me, phase ones look like they're tired and unhappy.

7th September 2007, 15:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soulless

okay Ryan do that bud please

Wish I got to hear gods 106 tbh..

Ive heard vtr130s when it was on 708s, didnt sound that impressive, but bare in mind, was on an industrial estate with shed loads of other cars (such as impreza's) ragging it.

and Leeroy, that pic doesnt sway me, phase ones look like they're tired and unhappy.

craig was running DTH bodies, and vtr130 is only on 40mm jenveys irc.

the DTH are a fair bit louder.

josh has the same TBS as i do, theyre very quiet because of the airbox, but should give a better life to the engine

7th September 2007, 15:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

this one was silver with black wheels irc, carbon splitter, was very highly rated on cliosport.

infact part of me is tempted when i get my student loan to sack off my saxo and buy one lol

7th September 2007, 15:31

is vtr130 still on the same 40mm beasts?
or has he changed them with this new build?

I dont really understand it all, I just like to see how they go

lol

7th September 2007, 15:31

Quote:

josh has the same TBS as i do, theyre very quiet because of the airbox, but should give a better life to the engine

Balls to that

Noise is where its at

7th September 2007, 15:32

Werent you moaning about your exhaust at trax lol

7th September 2007, 15:35

I prefer the blue one!

7th September 2007, 15:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toad

I prefer the blue one!

Man speaks alot of sense tbh

7th September 2007, 15:37

Thats why i have a blue one

WHo was complaining about there exhaust?

7th September 2007, 15:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soulless

Werent you moaning about your exhaust at trax lol

who me?

7th September 2007, 15:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

Balls to that

Noise is where its at

i can remove the lid if i want for track days

7th September 2007, 15:39

....I meant leeroy,
overheard you saying something about the noise of your exhaust is doing your nut in.

7th September 2007, 15:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soulless

is vtr130 still on the same 40mm beasts?
or has he changed them with this new build?

I dont really understand it all, I just like to see how they go

lol

as far as imaware hes sticking with the same jenvey units

7th September 2007, 15:40

They are both sexy as hell sorry man. But the blue one wins sitting on the
182 Trophy style rims.

Ive been told that if the trumpets are left open, then debris that enter
the trumpets can damage the valves and shite! Heard horror stories of
meshed trumpets sucking the mesh into the engine!
So if anyone fits TBs, an air box is soo need if thats the case.

7th September 2007, 15:41

Ryan, lets cut to the chase,
who's car will be faster...vtr130's or yours.

7th September 2007, 15:41

mk2s do look better, but i dont mind the mk1, id happily drive one.

unlike a mk1 saxo lol

7th September 2007, 15:42

Should be ok with a air filter on though

Something like a pipercross p600 thingy

7th September 2007, 15:43

So your saying the mk1 is dog ugly now Ryan?

7th September 2007, 15:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soulless

Ryan, lets cut to the chase,
who's car will be faster...vtr130's or yours.

due to the fact im not spending several K on a rebuild his will be. im happy with 157.2bhp

although dont know what hes gonna drive like round corners

7th September 2007, 15:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soulless

So your saying the mk1 is dog ugly now Ryan?

mk1 sax yes

7th September 2007, 15:45

157.2 bhp?
what cams are you using,
dont people normally get around that kinda power from 708s and a map
(obviously with breathing mods)

...still jealous though, im prob at 120bhp if im lucky.

7th September 2007, 15:46

Very mild cams i think

Not much higher left then the standard ones

7th September 2007, 15:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by rushy_23

They are both sexy as hell sorry man. But the blue one wins sitting on the
182 Trophy style rims.

Ive been told that if the trumpets are left open, then debris that enter
the trumpets can damage the valves and shite! Heard horror stories of
meshed trumpets sucking the mesh into the engine!
So if anyone fits TBs, an air box is soo need if thats the case.

only things you need to worry about are stones and shite.

most stuff it it gets to the inlet valve will combust.

ive known tons of peopole who dont run filters or airboxes and nthe engines have been fine, im just doing it for added security as i cant afford a rebuild if a stone does get in there.

the mesh wont be sucked in it will usually be burned on over run tbh. unless you use mesh that doesnt burn lol

7th September 2007, 15:48

what cams are these then?

Its a story I was told by my local Pug tuner, one of the competetion cars they
built got wrecked cause the guy tried to DIY mesh around the bodies. Funny stuff.

7th September 2007, 15:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

Very mild cams i think

Not much higher left then the standard ones

106 cup cams, very mild indeed, but the way it produces the power should be nice, it seemed respectable in fmps car.

if i feel i need more ill just go for wilder cams, although i dont think the extra 4-5bhp is important tbh, id rather put the money into suspension.

7th September 2007, 15:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soulless

157.2 bhp?
what cams are you using,
dont people normally get around that kinda power from 708s and a map
(obviously with breathing mods)

...still jealous though, im prob at 120bhp if im lucky.

TBs dont give HUGE power, its the way the throttle changes.

7th September 2007, 15:51

more responsive and noise

Thats what you want tbh

7th September 2007, 15:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

more responsive and noise

Thats what you want tbh

yes better response, and noise aswell as theorettically better midrange.

ultimately ill be selling this all off and fitting DTH and some better cams for 180-190 bhp, i just cant justify it atm with uni coming up

7th September 2007, 15:55

tb'd a clio Ryan

At least the inlet is on the front, better rammage of air

7th September 2007, 15:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

tb'd a clio Ryan

At least the inlet is on the front, better rammage of air

well not just better ram, but less issues of getting cold air into the inlet valve for combustion.

i plan to do a tbd clio at some stage lol.

i just love my french hatchbacks, no jc here

7th September 2007, 15:58

Pmsl

7th September 2007, 16:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

Pmsl

think 230bhp is the most ive seen from a TB'd clio. and theres a fuck load of weight that can come out of them.

although id prob keep the thing stock in that sense and just have lots of shits and giggles

7th September 2007, 16:04

Did you see Yozzasports tb cup at FCS

Speaks for itself tbh

7th September 2007, 16:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

Did you see Yozzasports tb cup at FCS

Speaks for itself tbh

didnt go fcs. i know about the yozzasport one though.

is it GDI? that are also a company that seem to be getting great rep now. from one guy who set it up with his redundancy pay

7th September 2007, 16:21

GDI have there own 182 conversion i think

There are some GDI bits i think on the Yozzasport one

7th September 2007, 16:24

think the 172 is deffo gonna become the new saxo and chav wagon soon though, when they become cheap to buy, all the maccyD brigade will buy them.

shame tbh.

i also seem to be one of the few ppl who thnks the new 197 looks nice (although the 225 megane i prefer)

7th September 2007, 16:28

Yeah thats probs my next upgrade a F1 225

7th September 2007, 16:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

Yeah thats probs my next upgrade a F1 225

old type? blue with black wheels? or new?

i prefered the blue lol!

they did sound nice on track at the weekend.

7th September 2007, 16:33

blue old one.

RS turning do a remap, my mate has it done to his cup

Stupidly quick

7th September 2007, 16:34

Man I cant beleive so many of you dont like the Mk1 Clio 172! Its pretty damn
nice imo. And in the yellow

Anyways, for 180bhp out of the 1.6 16v lump Im guessing you need all new
pistons and valves? Bottom end rebuild? How much would all that set you
back inc the cams, TBs, exhaust system, ECU etc etc?

7th September 2007, 16:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by rushy_23

Man I cant beleive so many of you dont like the Mk1 Clio 172! Its pretty damn
nice imo. And in the yellow

Anyways, for 180bhp out of the 1.6 16v lump Im guessing you need all new
pistons and valves? Bottom end rebuild? How much would all that set you
back inc the cams, TBs, exhaust system, ECU etc etc?

to remain NA and hit that power, you will need rebated/forged pistons, to stop the valves hitting the pistons due to the large overlap you need from the mad cams. Tbs are needed to retain the idle on these cams.

its not cheap, my mate has a genuines 183.3bhp, and his spec is.
Catcams 803, Iapel High Comp pistons, Iapel I section steel rods, ported, flowed, big valves, solid lifters, pug sport sump baffle kit, genuine pugsport DTH throttle bodies, genuine pugsport maxi 4-2-1 manifold, group N engine mounts, custom 2.5 exhaust - no cat.
and is worth several thousands

7th September 2007, 16:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

i also seem to be one of the few ppl who thnks the new 197 looks nice (although the 225 megane i prefer)

I like them...

Had a tickle with one on the way back into hull... it did just push me over to the side

How fast are they?

7th September 2007, 17:00

Phoock man thats hurting my eyes. Ive always been looking at a spec like:

Full Pugsport + Supersprint Manifold
Piper 285 cams
Port/Polished/Gas flowed Head
Jenvey 42mm ITBs
Lightened and Balanced bottom end <<< required?
OMEX or Emerald Management
Oil Cooler + Catch Tank
Lightened and Balanced Flywheel
Lightened and Balanced Crank <<< dont even know what that does/worth it

7th September 2007, 17:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cloud

I like them...

Had a tickle with one on the way back into hull... it did just push me over to the side

How fast are they?

lol. theyre about high 6 low 7 to 60 irc.

supposed to be conrers where theyre even better than the old model, the debate is on

7th September 2007, 17:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by rushy_23

Phoock man thats hurting my eyes. Ive always been looking at a spec like:

Full Pugsport + Supersprint Manifold
Piper 285 cams
Port/Polished/Gas flowed Head
Jenvey 42mm ITBs
Lightened and Balanced bottom end <<< required?
OMEX or Emerald Management
Oil Cooler + Catch Tank
Lightened and Balanced Flywheel
Lightened and Balanced Crank <<< dont even know what that does/worth it

no point in L&B crank imo on TUs the crank are quite good anyway, theres several people running big spec on std crank.

lightenend and balacned bottom end would mean the crank + rods and pistons.

headowork porting and polishing depends who does it, id personally prefer slightly larger valves like the qep heads.

emeralad are good - dave walker maps them
omex i have also very good

piper 285cams are quite mild in reality, theyre not actually 285 degrees according to several tuners ive spoken to. basically the same as kent pt51s and catcam 708s irc.

pugsports are nice, would suit your 106 better than the magnex, although if running really huge specs can be restrictive, i cant remeber the power ratings they are but remeber they were not designed for huge spec 16v engines

you wont hit 180bhp on what listed imo

7th September 2007, 17:21

Nah not aiming for 180bhp mate, anything around 168bhp+ would be a result,
more the driveability though im interested in.

Dont think I would want wilder cams than 708s/piper 285s.

Its actually a Pugsport centre with Magnex backbox I have fitted. If I went
for a full Pugsport I would have it cut to peices and hidden as I hate the look
of it!

So from what your saying a lightened/balanced bottom end and crank are
pointless with this type of setup?

Whats your advise on TBs for that kind of setup, Ive only just found out they
have different diameter bodies. You mentioned 40mm being restrictive? Would
45mm be excessive?

7th September 2007, 17:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by rushy_23

Nah not aiming for 180bhp mate, anything around 168bhp+ would be a result,
more the driveability though im interested in.

Dont think I would want wilder cams than 708s/piper 285s.

Its actually a Pugsport centre with Magnex backbox I have fitted. If I went
for a full Pugsport I would have it cut to peices and hidden as I hate the look
of it!

So from what your saying a lightened/balanced bottom end and crank are
pointless with this type of setup?

Whats your advise on TBs for that kind of setup, Ive only just found out they
have different diameter bodies. You mentioned 40mm being restrictive? Would
45mm be excessive?

where did i mention 40mm being restrictive? i mentioned the pugsport it.
45mm imo does seem excessive, sandy brown did a great write up on the rallye reg about diameters of bodies, its the diamiter of the butterfly thats important.

L+B crank is a lot of money for what you get, so not worth it.

for the power you want id just put in some forged pistons to give better midrange. keep your cams, KMS DTH bodies (good value for money imo) bit of qep headwork and have some fun

7th September 2007, 17:35

i personaly would rather have a supercharger but thats just me

7th September 2007, 17:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graeme

i personaly would rather have a supercharger but thats just me

that would be my second choice, i dont like turbos lol

*awaits martin to read this and give me a spanking*

7th September 2007, 19:55

Cheers for the info mate, thats really filled in a few lil gaps.

7th September 2007, 20:02

how much would a tb's conversion actually cost and what bhp would you be looking at aswell ???

7th September 2007, 20:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by PRICEYVTR

how much would a tb's conversion actually cost and what bhp would you be looking at aswell ???

how long is a piece of string?

depends on cams, ecu, what bodies using etc..................

7th September 2007, 20:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by PRICEYVTR

how much would a tb's conversion actually cost and what bhp would you be looking at aswell ???

basic about 3k. and not a great deal of more power

7th September 2007, 20:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullit

basic about 3k. and not a great deal of more power

dont you mean not alot of pub bragging rights but better driveablility?

7th September 2007, 20:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

dont you mean not alot of pub bragging rights but better driveablility?

well he asked bhp

7th September 2007, 20:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullit

well he asked bhp

were talking penis girth figures though not length

7th September 2007, 21:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

were talking penis girth figures though not length

length was specified though

7th September 2007, 21:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullit

length was specified though

I know.

boost for length
tbs for girth

girth makes the woman wetter, length just is good to brag over

8th September 2007, 10:26

tb and cams doe's it for me

8th September 2007, 10:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soulless

okay Ryan do that bud please

Wish I got to hear gods 106 tbh..

Ive heard vtr130s when it was on 708s, didnt sound that impressive, but bare in mind, was on an industrial estate with shed loads of other cars (such as impreza's) ragging it.

and Leeroy, that pic doesnt sway me, phase ones look like they're tired and unhappy.

Sorry soulless i have to disagree with you after watching the video, i just think u mistaked the boddies for the exhaust

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIbtWZGUwpA

8th September 2007, 10:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

due to the fact im not spending several K on a rebuild his will be. im happy with 157.2bhp

although dont know what hes gonna drive like round corners

Just to let you know rebuild cost me Nothing for all the work thts being done

8th September 2007, 11:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtr130

Just to let you know rebuild cost me Nothing for all the work thts being done

but have the parts? cost you?

8th September 2007, 11:51

Only the cams

8th September 2007, 11:53

youve got very lucky then

8th September 2007, 12:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

id personally go TBs.

booost is ghey

Tbs on TU engines dont give huge power unlike on redtop engines for example. But give good throttle response, improve all over torque and sound the bollocks.

the only thing a turbo does is go broom tish! which makes the macdonalds crew beat off over. lol

turbos may produce more bhp but a well driven NA engine will piss on a tubby round a track

I concur....

8th September 2007, 15:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

youve got very lucky then

U don't need to tell me that!!

8th September 2007, 15:29

saved about 4k then.

8th September 2007, 15:36

Pretty much dude

And i got the opprtunity due to my gaylining ability!! lol

8th September 2007, 16:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtr130

Only the cams

hows that them?

8th September 2007, 19:00

Car is sponsored

8th September 2007, 19:01

Still though even though i haved saved alot if have still spent ova 2k on new parts... It will be £3k when i get my quaife box. So still alot of money

8th September 2007, 19:06

planning on getting a quaife gearset? or just joining me with a diff>?

9th September 2007, 13:48

I have no clue mate, im not to keen on gearboxs to be honest and the car will be used most days?? Would a quaife gearset be to harsh for the road?? I might be buying lewis vts box with an atb.

9th September 2007, 13:51

quaife do a sunchromesh gearset, so id expect it to be fine for daily use.
ask ax racing, as he has first had experiences with a few different gearsets.

9th September 2007, 13:55

Yeh i am seriously considering buying one of his boxes of him, if i can find a bit of spare cash

Its a Quaife 2.538, 1.765, 1.421, 1.190, 1.043 close ratio gear cluster built in to a late type Saxo MA box along with a Quaife ATB limited slip differential with a standard VTS final drive.

Can you explain tht to me??

9th September 2007, 13:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtr130

Yeh i am seriously considering buying one of his boxes of him, if i can find a bit of spare cash

Its a Quaife 2.538, 1.765, 1.421, 1.190, 1.043 close ratio gear cluster built in to a late type Saxo MA box along with a Quaife ATB limited slip differential with a standard VTS final drive.

Can you explain tht to me??

not really. only thing i can see is 1st looks nice and long. thene the rest are short to keep you in the powerband.

9th September 2007, 14:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtr130

Yeh i am seriously considering buying one of his boxes of him, if i can find a bit of spare cash

Its a Quaife 2.538, 1.765, 1.421, 1.190, 1.043 close ratio gear cluster built in to a late type Saxo MA box along with a Quaife ATB limited slip differential with a standard VTS final drive.

Can you explain tht to me??

This with your 9000rpm rev limit?

You might want look at getting a different final drive in there as you will be doing about 60mph in 1st @9000rpm and top out at about 144mph in 5th depends what tires youre using to?

9th September 2007, 15:40

60mph in first, quality 0-60 time

9th September 2007, 17:47

Thing is how well will it pull to 60 in 1st? If you’re using it about town it will be a pain in the arse trying to do a hill start… 60mph for 1st is probably alright round a track when you get rolling but with that cluster it means that all the other gears are spaced out more too…

With a longer final drive it sort of misses the whole point of the close ratio box… with that much power you will probably have a very narrow power band and will need to keep it in the sweet spot by using closer gears and have a slower top speed

What rpms it going to idle at? Might find out you have to slip the clutch or spin the wheels just to get moving.

What sort of top speed are you after? I’ll recommend you a final drive for that box… you using bigger wheels/tires than standard to as that will have to be taken into account…

9th September 2007, 19:05

Cheers joe, well if you can tell me wot quaife gear set is best i will buy it

Im guessing the cams are going to be mainly based between 6-8.5k then im looking for about 130-140 top end as the nitrous may give me tht kind of terminal speed down the 1/4!!

9th September 2007, 19:31

i presume all your answers for you will need will come when your car is running so you know where your power is etc?

9th September 2007, 19:32

should know where power is from the spec of the cams elliot

9th September 2007, 20:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

should know where power is from the spec of the cams elliot

more accurate though ryan lol

9th September 2007, 20:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullit

more accurate though ryan lol

not really. the cam spec will determine where the powerband will be. even adjusting the timing a tad on his wont shift the powerband a huge amount imo

9th September 2007, 21:56

Quote:

This with your 9000rpm rev limit?

Hope thats not on the standard lifters lol

9th September 2007, 21:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

Hope thats not on the standard lifters lol

its on solids leeroy

9th September 2007, 22:00

was going to say

Must be crazy doing it on standard ones

TBH i doubt it would make any power at those revs

10th September 2007, 00:26

I was thinking of a speed more like 100-120mph lol would be such a waste to have such a long final drive on a peaky n/a engine you can get a higher top speed and still have the acceleration but you would need a 6 speed

Anyone know any info about bics gearbox? Like what sort of speed can he do in 1st and 6th?I doubt his cars geared to do those sorts of speeds and thats a 6 speed plus I bet hes got more power on tap too

It really depends how much youve got to spend!? You could try and find out how long the dog engagement sets last and weigh up if its worth it or not that one you mentioned is the cheapest quaife set you can get and would be ace for the street and track if used with the correct final drive

Quaife synchro close ratio @ 9000rpm & s1 rallye final drive

1st 51mph
2nd 74mph
3rd 92mph
4th 109mph
5th 124mph

That would be better doubt you will be able to top out in 5th over the ¼ and shouldnt be too bad for on the roads

If youre going to be really competitive get it set up on an engine dyno, which Im sure bics done. Then youll know exactly where all the power is and you can work out exactly what ratios you need.

10th September 2007, 01:26

how is it peope think throtte bodies are better than a turbo, turbos are forced air, throtte body isnt...." fancy air filter " that sounds good power gains is hardly nothing

10th September 2007, 02:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2000vtr

" fancy air filter " that sounds good power gains is hardly nothing

lol

a highly tuned NA car will piss on a turbo car round a track, its not about showing off to your mates with your big dump valve init.

Tbs give you a different throttle response and power delivery, as well as meaning you can run wilder cams.

there is a limit to what cams you can run on a standard inlet, so its hardly a fancy airfilter

10th September 2007, 02:10

and to some of us driveability of the car is more important than saying to your mates... my car has 300bhp because its turbod.

it doesnt increase what god didnt bless you with

10th September 2007, 15:00

tbh i couldnt give a shit as a 1.6 engine is bollox and if i was building a show car id have it for a while.....i dont intend to run a 1.6 for longer than i have to.

If i was going to show a car it would have a 2.0 Twin Turbo engine. No ifs/Buts. It would have a silly sized turbo with a smaller quick spooling turbo. And it would be Japanese and RWD.

Its my opinion so nerrrrrrr

10th September 2007, 15:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ste_1

tbh i couldnt give a shit as a 1.6 engine is bollox and if i was building a show car id have it for a while.....i dont intend to run a 1.6 for longer than i have to.

If i was going to show a car it would have a 2.0 Twin Turbo engine. No ifs/Buts. It would have a silly sized turbo with a smaller quick spooling turbo. And it would be Japanese and RWD.

Its my opinion so nerrrrrrr

JC....

10th September 2007, 15:45

That's a bit random!

10th September 2007, 15:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toad

That's a bit random!

what i thought.

10th September 2007, 15:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

JC....

Expand lol ???

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toad

That's a bit random!

Well i see cars that get taken to a garage, someone spends about 2 grand, and they come out with a Mahoosive bhp figure.....and run fine. Yet to get any life from a 1.6 you've gotta tweak tweak tweak. Its pap imo.

10th September 2007, 15:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ste_1

Expand lol ???

Well i see cars that get taken to a garage, someone spends about 2 grand, and they come out with a Mahoosive bhp figure.....and run fine. Yet to get any life from a 1.6 you've gotta tweak tweak tweak. Its pap imo.

JC - jap crap.

Saxo forum - generally discuss tuning saxo engines for some un known reason.

BHP doesnt increase your cock size.

10th September 2007, 15:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ste_1

Expand lol ???

Well i see cars that get taken to a garage, someone spends about 2 grand, and they come out with a Mahoosive bhp figure.....and run fine. Yet to get any life from a 1.6 you've gotta tweak tweak tweak. Its pap imo.

**Holds self back from having a spaz attack**

10th September 2007, 15:54

Saying that, if you had a bonnet scoop to inlet air and a proper feed like JP saxo then the air would be forced sort've as it direct to the inlet

My ideal car would be 2.5 sequential Twin turbo with AWD

10th September 2007, 15:55

when choosing your gearbox you will probably need to gear it slightly above 60mph to hit that before the rev limiter but you are probably better gearing it for the powerband as you will be faster by keeping the engine on cam.

For road use you either want a Helical gearset that is strengthened (i think this is what the quaife one is) and has sychromech or you want a straightcut box with sychromech> (these are stronger and have less transmission loss but are more expensive)

The other race only option is the dog engagement or lug drive. This will be straight cut gears and is the most brutal to use.
The dogs or lugs are what enable clutchless upshifts and downshifts, but at a cost. You would have to rebuild the box after every track event as the lugs will get chipped and you will loose gears. To save the lugs you will need to lift off on upshifts and use the clutch on downshifts, unless you have money to burn (the parts really are not cheap!)

10th September 2007, 15:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

JC - jap crap.

BHP doesnt increase your cock size.

Saying that having 700bhp of pure power inder your right foot with turbos that can take your head off at 9k rpm in every gear would make a huge difference from a 130odd bhp saxo

10th September 2007, 15:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

Be different is the key tbh

Perfecto answer to be Perfeacto

Also J C for the win, French car quility suks

10th September 2007, 15:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by redbullet07

Saying that, if you had a bonnet scoop to inlet air and a proper feed like JP saxo then the air would be forced sort've as it direct to the inlet

My ideal car would be 2.5 sequential Twin turbo with AWD

Throttle bodies dont work by a forced air though, they take what air they need. the only problem you have is on TU engines the inelt valve is at the back of the head, so the air drawn in is hot, hotter inlet gasses are not so good for cimbustion. Jost doesnt have a scoop, he has an airbox with air being fed from the the slam pannel.

The maxi tb set up on the 106 has an underbonnet skin feeding the tbs which are in a 3/4 style airbox the bonnet itself being the lid to give cold ambient air to the bodies themselvess.

and sicne when was this an ideal car thread???

10th September 2007, 15:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by redbullet07

Saying that having 700bhp of pure power inder your right foot with turbos that can take your head off at 9k rpm in every gear would make a huge difference from a 130odd bhp saxo

As said we are talking about saxon tunning.
IF yo dont think a saxo is fast enough buy a bigger car. its like compairing an E46 M3 CSL to a saxo ffs.

power is what you use of it, most people cant drive a car with 700bhp its all about bragging rights.

10th September 2007, 16:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

JC - jap crap.

Saxo forum - generally discuss tuning saxo engines for some un known reason.

BHP doesnt increase your cock size.

But it shrivles you'res..........when the only thing you see on a 1/4 mile is the back of a boosted Jap monster....

Dont be a gay just because i dont want a 1.6 all my life....no need to be a cock is there.

1.6's are good, but my point is id get a better engine to start with if i was going to make a show car. I hear alot of jap owners who have and have had saxos say they havn't driven a more fun car. But i like to feel the power of boost kicking in on an engine pushing over 400bhp... than boost on a 200bhp car. Mind a VTR id say 160.

Which a saxo isn't going to do.....

And yes it is a saxo site but were not under hitlers ruling here and people do talk about other cars.

10th September 2007, 16:16

A turbo car once well set up can be as fast if not faster than a n/a car, but what you find is that most cars are built to a budget and n/a people can and do spend more on suspension which is where most of your time is made. £3k on suspension is better than £3k on engine parts when you are building a circuit car.

With any setup its about useable power. 700bhp is no good if you can't accelerate with your foot to the floor as you get massive wheelspin. Throttlebodies offer a far quicker throttle response over normal inlet systems and turbo/supercharger setups and are easier to drive at the limit.

But take any engine, you should look at getting the most power out of it, Dry sumps, smaller alternators, small flywheels & clutches, catch tanks, straight cut gears, lightweight internals all help to remove parasitic losses and get the maximum potential out of what you have..

10th September 2007, 16:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ste_1

Dont be a gay just because i dont want a 1.6 all my life....no need to be a cock is there.

But it shrivles you'res..........when the only thing you see on a 1/4 mile is the back of a boosted Jap monster....

1.6's are good, but my point is id get a better engine to start with if i was going to make a show car. I hear alot of jap owners who have and have had saxos say they havn't driven a more fun car. But i like to feel the power of boost kicking in on an engine pushing over 400bhp... than boost on a 200bhp car. Mind a VTR id say 160.

Which a saxo isn't going to do.....

my point is its a debate on here which has been about turbo or bodies.

then you came on and went into some rant about a project show car lol.

Everyone seems to be wanting to throw BHP figures about all the time and have the biggest bhp to brag, yet some of the fastest cars ive seen on a circuit are not huge bhp.

1/4miles in the uk is mostly jap because of the car market over here. If you look around the world its different due to the economic state of a certain country. Dont forget about highly tuned V8 engines for example which are used well by the americans.

10th September 2007, 16:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by KamRacing

A turbo car once well set up can be as fast if not faster than a n/a car, but what you find is that most cars are built to a budget and n/a people can and do spend more on suspension which is where most of your time is made. £3k on suspension is better than £3k on engine parts when you are building a circuit car.

its a shame martin is going to probably be in dubai now, as his ax seemed to be an interesting plan as he would have it set up very well i would imagine.

10th September 2007, 16:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

Throttle bodies dont work by a forced air though, they take what air they need. the only problem you have is on TU engines the inelt valve is at the back of the head, so the air drawn in is hot, hotter inlet gasses are not so good for cimbustion. Jost doesnt have a scoop, he has an airbox with air being fed from the the slam pannel.

The maxi tb set up on the 106 has an underbonnet skin feeding the tbs which are in a 3/4 style airbox the bonnet itself being the lid to give cold ambient air to the bodies themselvess.

and sicne when was this an ideal car thread???

I know but if they can be force fed clean, cold air directly would that be the same as turbo's inlets?

Maxi set up is interesting cheers for the info. How do BICS run?

10th September 2007, 16:22

Yea, i know. The fastest 0-60 is a vauxhall.....

But BHP/£ seems to be best on the Jap market. And im fed up of having a 1.6 that yes is ace around corners but i wanna feel my face mashed towards my ears tbh....

10th September 2007, 16:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by redbullet07

I know but if they can be force fed clean, cold air directly would that be the same as turbo's inlets?

Maxi set up is interesting cheers for the info. How do BICS run?

BICS?

theres no such thing, BIC is a person.

He has Pugsport DTH throttle bodies as far as im aware, in a modified (206 irc) longmans airbox, its got a pannel filter to clean the air, and the airbox should theoreticaly help with the ambient temperature.

A Turbo is ALOT of pressure the air is compressed to, you wouldnt get anythig near this from TBs. For a start a trumpet couldnt produce anywhere near enough ram effect to compress it.

10th September 2007, 16:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ste_1

Yea, i know. The fastest 0-60 is a vauxhall.....

But BHP/£ seems to be best on the Jap market. And im fed up of having a 1.6 that, yes is ace around corners but i wanna feel my face mashed towards my ears tbh

JC is popular now because of the fast and the furious lol! that film did wonders for honda garages.

Remeber that Vtec-s are high revving engine much like what you would have when running tbs.

Its only really things like skylines/evos etc.. where you are talking huge power from boosted engines, but theyre not exactly a cheap car are they?

10th September 2007, 16:31

Tb's will not compress any air at all unless fed through an airbox that effectively uses the high pressure air at the front of a car, even then you are talking 1 or 2 psi max, considering boosted you are looking at 30psi its neglegable

10th September 2007, 16:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by KamRacing

A turbo car once well set up can be as fast if not faster than a n/a car, but what you find is that most cars are built to a budget and n/a people can and do spend more on suspension which is where most of your time is made. £3k on suspension is better than £3k on engine parts when you are building a circuit car.

With any setup its about useable power. 700bhp is no good if you can't accelerate with your foot to the floor as you get massive wheelspin. Throttlebodies offer a far quicker throttle response over normal inlet systems and turbo/supercharger setups and are easier to drive at the limit.

But take any engine, you should look at getting the most power out of it, Dry sumps, smaller alternators, small flywheels & clutches, catch tanks, straight cut gears, lightweight internals all help to remove parasitic losses and get the maximum potential out of what you have..

That really is good advice about setup Kam, my last comment saying about ideals and that shizzle was in response to the other comment about track cars btw..

Im happy sticking with what iv got and if i could end up with a setup like is listed above and what a few on here have managed to achieve my cock size would grow a little bit lol

10th September 2007, 16:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by KamRacing

Tb's will not compress any air at all unless fed through an airbox that effectively uses the high pressure air at the front of a car, even then you are talking 1 or 2 psi max, considering boosted you are looking at 30psi its neglegable

off topic, you seen sybez is thinking about going back to single TB with the charger?

10th September 2007, 16:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

JC is popular now because of the fast and the furious lol! that film did wonders for honda garages.

Remeber that Vtec-s are high revving engine much like what you would have when running tbs.

Vtec is not about big power. It was designed to enable a car to have good fuel consumption even though it had an aggressive cam profile for performance, so a jekyl/hyde engine was created. To tune the cars to race spec you will always find the vtec is the first thing to bin. A similar pug engine with a fast road cam will be similar power though it will be harder to drive at slow speeds and fuel consumption will suck in comparison

10th September 2007, 16:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by KamRacing

Vtec is not about big power. It was designed to enable a car to have good fuel consumption even though it had an aggressive cam profile for performance, so a jekyl/hyde engine was created. To tune the cars to race spec you will always find the vtec is the first thing to bin. A similar pug engine with a fast road cam will be similar power though it will be harder to drive at slow speeds and fuel consumption will suck in comparison

Vtecs are the engine alot of fast road users have as the engine of choice was my main comment. The Vtec engine is a masterpiece in itself. It was because Ste was saying about HUge power and haveing a jap car, which as you just said Vtec isnt about that

Personally would prefer not to junk the vtec and keep its nature and just run some bodies on it, seen a few very nice Tegs like this that were superbly set up.

10th September 2007, 16:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

off topic, you seen sybez is thinking about going back to single TB with the charger?

Throttle bodies are all about getting the maximum air to each cylinder. With a single body one cylinder might run lean and another rich due to the poor designed airflow inside the inlet manifold. Individual tb's can be tuned to allow the correct air to go to each cylinder.
With a turbo engine the air is far denser with oxygen and the benefit of throttlebodies is negated as air is pushed into the engine. He will probably benefit from a larger single unit for engine simplicity and power...

10th September 2007, 16:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

BICS?

theres no such thing, BIC is a person.

He has Pugsport DTH throttle bodies as far as im aware, in a modified (206 irc) longmans airbox, its got a pannel filter to clean the air, and the airbox should theoreticaly help with the ambient temperature.

A Turbo is ALOT of pressure the air is compressed to, you wouldnt get anythig near this from TBs. For a start a trumpet couldnt produce anywhere near enough ram effect to compress it.

i meant what does BICs run sorry lol, it was a 106 as well and pant stainingly quick, il find the video on youtube in a bit

10th September 2007, 16:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by KamRacing

Throttle bodies are all about getting the maximum air to each cylinder. With a single body one cylinder might run lean and another rich due to the poor designed airflow inside the inlet manifold. Individual tb's can be tuned to allow the correct air to go to each cylinder.
With a turbo engine the air is far denser with oxygen and the benefit of throttlebodies is negated as air is pushed into the engine. He will probably benefit from a larger single unit for engine simplicity and power...

its not going to be so bad for him though, its only the ford boys that really use ITBs on turbo engines because the standard inlet is so poor, but even then a fair few junk the intenrals, and attach a bigger single TB onto the plenum chamber.
Hes been complaining that the TBs are making the throttle to harsh and snappy which he doesnt want with the power he is running.

10th September 2007, 16:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by redbullet07

i meant what does BICs run sorry lol, it was a 106 as well and pant stainingly quick, il find the video on youtube in a bit

dont need vids, i know of bics car - hence my post.

Most of his speed is from the gearbox, no longer going to be a 1600 that.

10th September 2007, 16:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

Vtecs are the engine alot of fast road users have as the engine of choice was my main comment. The Vtec engine is a masterpiece in itself. It was because Ste was saying about HUge power and haveing a jap car, which as you just said Vtec isnt about that

Personally would prefer not to junk the vtec and keep its nature and just run some bodies on it, seen a few very nice Tegs like this that were superbly set up.

True. We are keeping the vtec on the 309 s2000 as it will make it simple and reliable to start. The average jap cars are nothing great to be honest. The civic is pretty good but nothing to wet the bed over. Now their top of the range cars are, Evo's Skylines etc but then when new these cars cost £30k more

10th September 2007, 16:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by KamRacing

The average jap cars are nothing great to be honest.

at least someone agrees with me.

anyway 309? gonna be similar spec to sandys trio?

10th September 2007, 16:54

Quote:

The average jap cars are nothing great to be honest.

I agree

Civic Type R looks like a twat wagon

10th September 2007, 16:55

I wouldn't go V-Tech tbh.

Silvia S14 / RB20DET

I like cars, not just a car because its from a certain part of the world. You cant say this isn't nice;

I like slammed;

i dont understand why someone wouldnt like a car because of its origin, racism to metal....

I like most cars but i can also take judgement on cars even if its against the car i have..... Something people need to learn.

10th September 2007, 16:56

Ryan -
not really. The 309 has a Rallycross kevlar carbon body, spaceframe chassis, honda s2000 engine, transmittion and suspension, RWD and you get the idea.
Imagine a 750kg s2000 and you get the idea of performance...

10th September 2007, 16:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ste_1

I like cars, not just a car because its from a certain part of the world.

The JC is a tounge in cheek joke dude dont take it so serious.

Personally i am a skyline fan, but thats not because of the engines themselves, but the handling system on them, the fact they were effecitley banned from racing in certain race series speaks for itself.

Im just a bit bored of the whole people beating off over anything thats JC tbh.

10th September 2007, 16:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by KamRacing

Ryan -
not really. The 309 has a Rallycross kevlar carbon body, spaceframe chassis, honda s2000 engine, transmittion and suspension, RWD and you get the idea.
Imagine a 750kg s2000 and you get the idea of performance...

yes totally different, id like to see it at somepoint though, as from what ive seen sandys on TBs goes fucking fast, and thats really on an old beaten up shell.

I wanna drop into your workshop lol! see all these projects you have going on!

10th September 2007, 17:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

I agree

Civic Type R looks like a twat wagon

your post is here leeroy

10th September 2007, 17:07

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/233141.htm

thoughts on that...

i dont know much but that doesnt look the best imo

10th September 2007, 17:10

the throttle body/inlet manfiold make is loved by vauxhall homos

very good reputation they have though, dont like the bonnet scoop, theres scope there to make a good car, just needs a fair bit of work, and it wont be fast.

although tbh if you could get for like 2.5k is a bit of a bargain if set up right.

10th September 2007, 21:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

The JC is a tounge in cheek joke dude dont take it so serious.

Personally i am a skyline fan, but thats not because of the engines themselves, but the handling system on them, the fact they were effecitley banned from racing in certain race series speaks for itself.

Im just a bit bored of the whole people beating off over anything thats JC tbh.

Do you like the N1 then? woop woop

10th September 2007, 21:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ste_1

Expand lol ???

Well i see cars that get taken to a garage, someone spends about 2 grand, and they come out with a Mahoosive bhp figure.....and run fine. Yet to get any life from a 1.6 you've gotta tweak tweak tweak. Its pap imo.

I piss all ova most jap motors

11th September 2007, 08:08

That car you're working on Kam sounds awesome.

9th April 2008, 23:37

hate to bring up an old subject, but a very discussedubject, by reading though it(Yes the whole thread)i still carnt decided if i want Itb's or a turbo
If 2 saxos had the same suspension setup and where complety the same besides the engines. where saxo1 was running a 190ish BHP N/A engine vs saxo2 with a 250BHP Turboed engine, which would most likly win around a track?

also would there be any point in running both iTBs and a turbo ? or would this just be a wank idea.

9th April 2008, 23:44

depends on a few things, BHP for both doesnt mean driveability.

A TBd engine on 220bhp for example will have a very narrow powerband thats not very usable unless with an expensive gearbox. So cam profile for a TB engine is more important imo than on a boosted set up. Same for turbo where the wrong size turbo may give big bhp but poor drivability.

10th April 2008, 01:52

Just one thought that's popped into mind, if you can't decide wether you want iTB's or a Turbocharger, have both

Oh and that s15 is god damn gorgeous!

10th April 2008, 02:28

tbs and turbo are not easy to set up though.

and theres no point imo due to the fact that TUs on std inlet there are a few still hitting 200-250 ATW with the right boost set up.

10th April 2008, 09:34

I didnt say it was easy or there was any point, just having a bit of a joke!

10th April 2008, 22:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCD-Performance

I didnt say it was easy or there was any point, just having a bit of a joke!

i just knew someone would get the idea from it dude and then id see 400 how can i turbo and TB my car at once threads.

10th April 2008, 23:22

i suppose the big for, for the turbod car is the torque.but itb's have very good throttle response, thats why ive decided to supercharge

10th April 2008, 23:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

i just knew someone would get the idea from it dude and then id see 400 how can i turbo and TB my car at once threads.

lol thats a fair point.

11th April 2008, 12:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannygti

i suppose the big for, for the turbod car is the torque.but itb's have very good throttle response, thats why ive decided to supercharge

Hehe. Torque is for girls.

Learn how to drive in the powerband FTW!

11th April 2008, 13:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCD-Performance

Just one thought that's popped into mind, if you can't decide wether you want iTB's or a Turbocharger, have both

i was thinking that lol

11th April 2008, 18:00

However much i love Turbo's.

Id rather pop my bonnet and show off a set of trumpets.

11th April 2008, 18:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jackman

However much i love Turbo's.

Id rather pop my bonnet and show off a set of trumpets.

Aye!

Turbo's are like viagra. Proper big trumpets is where it's at.

11th April 2008, 23:24

whats tb' dude?

12th April 2008, 00:09

i love my viagra in that case

12th April 2008, 00:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by scott-richards

whats tb' dude?

throttle bodies.

12th April 2008, 10:06

id agree with jackman
trumpets look the tits
on a turbo most of ts hidden theres just pipes everywere really

12th April 2008, 10:18

.........Alex-VTS,
with your last comment that doesnt seem to make much sense to me.

With TBs,
you see trumpets.
thats about it...

...I can see alot more than just pipes.

Not that it matters really what it looks like,
its how it drives

12th April 2008, 10:22

on that 1 yea ill admit you can see the turbo ect

but thats a straight up view you couldnt look from that angle as a person
his origonal question is what would get mre respect at a show
tumpets are a lot more visible imo

ps has he got bodies on there 2?
cause the inlet mani apears to be the bottom of bodies??