is it worth getting a port & polished throttlebody

10th September 2007, 23:52

ive been looking at a vts port & polished throttlebody on ebay, and im wondering if anyone has had one fitted, and if so was it worth it. does it increase bhp and response?
if i got a vts port & polished throttlebody fitted would i need a remap?

where about is the throttlebody located on a vts?

any ideas

10th September 2007, 23:54

you're not looking at a noticable difference in performance maybe +1 bhp if any and no need for a remap.

11th September 2007, 00:03

11th September 2007, 00:04

it will make the induction roar more pronounced if you have an enclosed filter.

11th September 2007, 00:05

nice pic!!
so its basically not worth getting then

11th September 2007, 00:06

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Originally Posted by BoJay

nice pic!!
so its basically not worth getting then

didn't say that. It would compliment other modifications but don't expect some kind of immediate and noticable difference in performance. It is something that I would do if I wasn't going for forced induction but my throttle body wall is too thin to do anything with.

11th September 2007, 00:08

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Originally Posted by BoJay

nice pic!!
so its basically not worth getting then

can of worms, something where theres huge numbers of people for them and huge numbers of people against them.

personally, i wouldnt fit one to my car, and thats all Im gonna say on this subject because im not getting into another debate on them.

11th September 2007, 00:08

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Originally Posted by snewham

didn't say that. It would compliment other modifications but don't expect some kind of immediate and noticable difference in performance. It is something that I would do if I wasn't going for forced induction but my throttle body wall is too thin to do anything with.

forced induction?? scott thought you were planning bigger CC?

11th September 2007, 00:10

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Originally Posted by Ryan

forced induction?? scott thought you were planning bigger CC?

lol it came out wrong, it's something I will do on the VTS engine but not on the 1.1 as the walls are too thin. I meant to say that just came out wrong lmao

11th September 2007, 00:11

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Originally Posted by Ryan

personally, i wouldnt fit one to my car, and thats all Im gonna say on this subject because im not getting into another debate on them.

I don't want a debate but I just wondered what your opinions were against them as I never thought there would be two sides to them?

scott

11th September 2007, 00:14

mate i bought 1 off the same lad selling them and its been noiticable increase in throttle response, believe me i was driving the car for a year standard covered 20k and then put this on and you can tel in the high range of revs, most noiticable in 3rd. I own a vtr aswel simular to yours, if you want to listen to advise by someone who owns a 1.1 saxo the choice is yours..

Good luck mate!

11th September 2007, 00:15

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Originally Posted by snewham

I don't want a debate but I just wondered what your opinions were against them as I never thought there would be two sides to them?

scott

noticed how not all parts of the inlet system are not smooth??

theres a reason for this. Also a larger TB doesnt allways mean better.

Gas speed is very important for combustion. As with any mod there are pros and cons, if the works done well it can be fine, if done wrong can cause a loss in performance.

11th September 2007, 00:19

^^^ whereas he knows what hes ona bout ^^^

11th September 2007, 00:19

nice1 mate, i was waiting advice for someone who has had one fitted. any improvemnet on my saxo is a bonus for me.

11th September 2007, 00:24

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Originally Posted by harrisvtrkid1

mate i bought 1 off the same lad selling them and its been noiticable increase in throttle response, believe me i was driving the car for a year standard covered 20k and then put this on and you can tel in the high range of revs, most noiticable in 3rd. I own a vtr aswel simular to yours, if you want to listen to advise by someone who owns a 1.1 saxo the choice is yours..

Good luck mate!

someone who knows a hell of a lot more about mechanics thatn you though.

11th September 2007, 00:28

Being as i am a mechanic, thats an ironic statement. Don't see how opinions from a 1.1 driver can help this lad mate right decision. Stick to polishin the 1.1 and you might win again next year, show and shine 2008!!

Good luck to you too.

11th September 2007, 00:29

whats owning a 1.1 got to do with any one persons knowledge about car mechanics?

11th September 2007, 00:30

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Originally Posted by Baz

whats owning a 1.1 got to do with any one persons knowledge about car mechanics?

Can you not see?

1.1 owners are all noobs...

11th September 2007, 00:31

children.....

doesnt make fuck all difference what you drive.

you could be the worlds greatest technician but drive a volvo 240, does that mean you know less?

no

11th September 2007, 00:32

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Originally Posted by Cloud

Can you not see?

1.1 owners are all noobs...

so what about when i had my 1.0......and my current 1.4? am i still a noob because i don't have a VTR/S?

11th September 2007, 00:33

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Originally Posted by Baz

so what about when i had my 1.0......and my current 1.4? am i still a noob because i don't have a VTR/S?

Yea because he owns a vtr.. man you don't understand the science involved in this.

11th September 2007, 00:44

Exactly, if you don't own and have first hand experience to provide an opinion to someone who wants it, then your advise is invalid. You carn't read other threads, and pick up knowledge and use it again. Only give advise if its from your own experience.

Thought sax-p was to give advise to people??

Also, if i drove a volvo, i wouldnt pass knowledge on to effects on a 1.1 saxo because it would be foolish.

11th September 2007, 00:48

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Originally Posted by harrisvtrkid1

Exactly, if you don't own and have first hand experience to provide an opinion to someone who wants it, then your advise is invalid. You carn't read other threads, and pick up knowledge and use it again. Only give advise if its from your own experience.

Thought sax-p was to give advise to people??

Also, if i drove a volvo, i wouldnt pass knowledge on to effects on a 1.1 saxo because it would be foolish.

I dont have one, as i said i wouldnt have one, but still know the physics behind them and combustion.

what you drive can mean bugger all if you have an understanding of the basic physics of engine tuning.

I have seen some awful stuff done and some good stuff done, which is why i say that its not just about big TB and smooth surfaces = the most power

11th September 2007, 00:53

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Originally Posted by harrisvtrkid1

Exactly, if you don't own and have first hand experience to provide an opinion to someone who wants it, then your advise is invalid. You carn't read other threads, and pick up knowledge and use it again. Only give advise if its from your own experience.

Thought sax-p was to give advise to people??

Also, if i drove a volvo, i wouldnt pass knowledge on to effects on a 1.1 saxo because it would be foolish.

All the saxo engines are very similar and therefore first hand experience from a 1.1 engine can be dirrectly related to a vts, or vtr engine. As a mechanic you should know this. I also speak from 2 years of being on sax-p an experiencing the countless threads on performancing enhancing modifications.

11th September 2007, 01:01

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Originally Posted by snewham

All the saxo engines are very similar and therefore first hand experience from a 1.1 engine can be dirrectly related to a vts, or vtr engine. As a mechanic you should know this. I also speak from 2 years of being on sax-p an experiencing the countless threads on performancing enhancing modifications.

Exactly what i said. you carnt directly related anything as its a different engine. Also, i said you carnt repost stuff you have read on other threads, pointless.

End of the day, opinions come from experience, of which you have non.

11th September 2007, 01:04

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Originally Posted by harrisvtrkid1

Exactly what i said. you carnt directly related anything as its a different engine. Also, i said you carnt repost stuff you have read on other threads, pointless.

End of the day, opinions come from experience, of which you have non.

umm actually I do have experience I helped fit one to my friends vts I also speak to Stevenet15 every now and then who is in my area and actually port and polishes throttlebodies as a service on sax-p.

The throttle body on a vts is identical in style to the one on the 1.1 engines and in fact on most engines so what you're saying has no stature at all.

11th September 2007, 01:06

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Originally Posted by harrisvtrkid1

Also, i said you carnt repost stuff you have read on other threads, pointless.

completely disagree, alot of respected people will have learned from text books, and vice versa, you cant say all information from text form is no good.

I can personally look at two rolling road graphs of different manifolds and be able to see which one has the better effect on the engine without fitting it myself.

11th September 2007, 01:10

Polished TB's are Ballbag..

11th September 2007, 01:15

So if he does it as a service, why would you say they do nothing

remember he said how would this affect his veichle, so you haven't driven on before and after, you helped fitted and knwo someone who does it. That helps the lad who wanted to know in what way?

Manifolds, this is talking about how a throttle body ported and polished would affect his car performance wise. Knowone has graphs and so is guessing, however i am saying i noiticed a difference with the same car and was knowledgeable enough to share this.

How can you possibly protest otherwise.

11th September 2007, 01:17

YAWN!!

11th September 2007, 01:18

Look fella's..this dude asked if these things are worth while..I think not..They may give you a gain but very small..Not even worth it imo..

11th September 2007, 01:19

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Originally Posted by harrisvtrkid1

So if he does it as a service, why would you say they do nothing

remember he said how would this affect his veichle, so you haven't driven on before and after, you helped fitted and knwo someone who does it. That helps the lad who wanted to know in what way?

Manifolds, this is talking about how a throttle body ported and polished would affect his car performance wise. Knowone has graphs and so is guessing, however i am saying i noiticed a difference with the same car and was knowledgeable enough to share this.

How can you possibly protest otherwise.

Is you read the thread properly you would realise that I said there would be a very slight increase in perforance as that is what my friend reported to me and from what I have read in the past however it wont be very noticable if it has an effect at all.

However it's not going to be some kind of miracle modification like those shit ebay chips that magically adds 15 BHP and increases your cock size by 5 inches.

11th September 2007, 01:20

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Originally Posted by snewham

Is you read the thread properly you would realise that I said there would be a very slight increase in perforance as that is what my friend reported to me and from what I have read in the past however it wont be very noticable if it has an effect at all.

However it's not going to be some kind of miracle modification like those shit ebay chips that magically adds 15 BHP and increases your cock size by 5 inches.

I agree totally..

11th September 2007, 01:21

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Originally Posted by harrisvtrkid1

Manifolds, this is talking about how a throttle body ported and polished would affect his car performance wise. Knowone has graphs and so is guessing, however i am saying i noiticed a difference with the same car and was knowledgeable enough to share this.

How can you possibly protest otherwise.

It was an example you muppet...

proof that you can have some knowlege from text books, whats funny is earlier in the thread you agreed with me, when i stated that the inlet system has different surfaces for a reason.

might want to try reading it. You will also find that alot of members on these forums do actually meet up, and so will have been in/even driven peoples cars (friends cars) where they have had set work done.

11th September 2007, 01:22

Harrisdude - Dont even go head to head with Ryan..He knows more than you..end of..

11th September 2007, 01:23

scott
noticed how not all parts of the inlet system are not smooth??

theres a reason for this. Also a larger TB doesnt allways mean better.

Gas speed is very important for combustion. As with any mod there are pros and cons, if the works done well it can be fine, if done wrong can cause a loss in performance.
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11th September 2007, 01:24

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Originally Posted by James_Bristol

Harrisdude - Dont even go head to head with Ryan..He knows more than you..end of..

james no one knows more than anyone, its the real world, everyone needs to expand their knowlege.

my point is that you cannot say all knowlege got from a text form is shite, which he has said in a previous post.

11th September 2007, 01:27

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Originally Posted by Ryan

james no one knows more than anyone, its the real world, everyone needs to expand their knowlege.

my point is that you cannot say all knowlege got from a text form is shite, which he has said in a previous post.

Where's the old Ryan!!

11th September 2007, 01:28

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Originally Posted by Ryan

noticed how not all parts of the inlet system are not smooth??

theres a reason for this. Also a larger TB doesnt allways mean better.

Yeah, to be honest I was just going on what other people have told me about noticing improvements but I suppose most of it is pyschological about clearly noticing performances increases etc.

I was interested in your theory which makes sense to be honest but I haven't really done much reading up on intake systems, gas flow etc. I should at some point but have been concentrating on suspension components due to rebuilding mine

scott

11th September 2007, 01:28

well if thats the way it is Ryan

'Baz is absoluetly fabulous'

suck on that, i know all

though in all fairness the thread will soon be going back round to how someone with a 1.1 knows nothing

11th September 2007, 01:30

Will you noitice a difference in performance

acceleration
throttle response
drivability
top speed

Whicheva criterion you would like to explore

granted its not a wonder mod that will increase cock size, taking on board that the lad already new this, and new basically what it was about. How can you possibly give him an opinion when

1. you don't drive the car enough to noitice the actual difference

I said i have seen the car standard for a long duration, then added the TB to the car, which you can then tell the difference.

If you cannot see my point of view then carry thinking you guesses are correct.

11th September 2007, 01:34

so basically......to answer his question, it will increase BHP and throttle response (very slightly) but its not worth the money. Is that what we have discovered from 3 pages of posts?

11th September 2007, 01:35

I can see your point and have no reason to not believe you, but its one of those things, its psycological the difference you feel..imo

11th September 2007, 01:35

Not trying to cause trouble, just helping people out. don't worry i have seen that ryan has respect on the forums and people listen to what he says, which is good. But in this case i feel i am able to give the most helpful advise!

11th September 2007, 01:35

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Originally Posted by Baz

so basically......to answer his question, it will increase BHP and throttle response (very slightly) but its not worth the money. Is that what we have discovered from 3 pages of posts?

Not worth the money and may not increase power..

11th September 2007, 01:38

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Originally Posted by harrisvtrkid1

Will you noitice a difference in performance

acceleration
throttle response
drivability
top speed

Whicheva criterion you would like to explore

granted its not a wonder mod that will increase cock size, taking on board that the lad already new this, and new basically what it was about. How can you possibly give him an opinion when

1. you don't drive the car enough to noitice the actual difference

I said i have seen the car standard for a long duration, then added the TB to the car, which you can then tell the difference.

If you cannot see my point of view then carry thinking you guesses are correct.

As i said, pros and cons to every mod. Seeing as there are not readily available throttle bodys off the shelf that a saxo user would use alot of them are diy ones.
Hence why in my early post I CLEARLY STATED that a poorly made one can reduce performance, but a decent modified one can increase performance.
I have known a few people who have had them, from different people, a couple have found the car has had slight increase in throttle response, and a better performance higher up in the rev range, where as others, (same mod, same car - just different person did the work on the tb) ended up with idle problems and a loss of lots of low down torque.

I can talk to them to know that in some cases they have worked and others they have not.

and seeing as this is going round in circles,

the lid is back on the can of worms.