Cam,manifold?

  1. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Bangor Posts: 818 Furio, 300+BHP EP82, zx6RR Ninja
    #1
    Need abit of help on which to go for here? Finaly getting abit of money through and dont no wether to go for a manifold or cams? Really both are needed but which to go for first?

    Cheers
  2. Scotland Joined: Jul 2005 Edinburgh Posts: 9556 Saxo 1.6i 16v VTS, 2 Classic Minis
    #2
    You need to sort out your breathing mods before you fit cams really (well, before you have the cams remapped anyway)

    So you will first be looking at a full exhaust system & manifold, your induction & then cams & a remap.

    If you plan to take the car further afterwards, then perhaps standalone management should be purchased and remapped instead of remapping the stock ECU
  3. Saxperience Addict Joined: May 2006 Posts: 12553
    #3
    But then out of the two, the manifold is obviously needed first...
  4. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #4
    Yes, the stock manifold will cause too much restriction in air flow if the stock camshafts are changed for aftermarket ones. (typically 262 duration)
  5. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Bangor Posts: 818 Furio, 300+BHP EP82, zx6RR Ninja
    #5
    Cheers, just wasnt too sure wether i could have got anyway with caming it first, but i will go for the manifold. Still not too sure on what brand to go for bt might just go for the racland mani??
  6. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2003 United Kingdom (England) Posts: 7064
    #6
    Your profile says a 1.4 saxo, why not use the extra money to upgrade to a VT* model!
  7. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Bangor Posts: 818 Furio, 300+BHP EP82, zx6RR Ninja
    #7
    ?? was thinking about it but, just wanted to add a few more mod's to the car as it stands!
  8. Saxperience Addict Joined: May 2006 Posts: 12553
    #8
    If you're going for cams then you may wanna spend a little more and getting a better quality manifold... You get what you pay for mate...
  9. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2007 Burton Posts: 3661 Alfa Romeo GT
    #9
    Quote:
    Your profile says a 1.4 saxo, why not use the extra money to upgrade to a VT* model!
    Iv seen a cammed 1.4 make the same as a standard VTR. Thats with the mild piper 270 cam.
  10. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2007 Burton Posts: 3661 Alfa Romeo GT
    #10
    Quote:

    If you're going for cams then you may wanna spend a little more and getting a better quality manifold... You get what you pay for mate...
    Maybe not, on SSC they did a testof the cheaper racelnad manifold and filter etc. against more expensive items green filter/ supersprint mani, and found 0.3bhp difference. Obviously not taking into account differences as standard.They concluded that breather mods do the same thing generaly as they dont do that much difference.
  11. Saxperience Addict Joined: May 2006 Posts: 12553
    #11
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by makaveli144 View Post
    Maybe not, on SSC they did a testof the cheaper racelnad manifold and filter etc. against more expensive items green filter/ supersprint mani, and found 0.3bhp difference. Obviously not taking into account differences as standard.They concluded that breather mods do the same thing generaly as they dont do that much difference.
    I stand corrected
  12. Scotland Joined: Jul 2005 Edinburgh Posts: 9556 Saxo 1.6i 16v VTS, 2 Classic Minis
    #12
    The raceland item is thinner than the piper (for example) manifold. So while it will still offer roughly the same performance it wont be able to sustain for as long as the more expensive items & that means its flooding the enginebay with more heat.

    I think belly_vts has an image of his cammed engine making the raceland manifold glow red
  13. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2007 Weston-S-Mare Posts: 3713 Racing Bronze Mazda MX-5
    #13
    yeah, it was his avatar pic.

    but yes, generally they all do exactly the same, just the more you spend, will mean thicker material.
  14. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Bangor Posts: 818 Furio, 300+BHP EP82, zx6RR Ninja
    #14
    cheers fot the info guys, has anyone got the gmc manifold, or no wether its a better one? im not wannting to go too muuch over £200!
  15. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2007 Burton Posts: 3661 Alfa Romeo GT
    #15
    Dont get a 4-1 manifold. The torque cure isnt as well spread as the 4-2-1 and gains are not as good.
  16. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Bangor Posts: 818 Furio, 300+BHP EP82, zx6RR Ninja
    #16
    yea was thinking of getting the 4-2-1 but GMC claim that their 4-1 is just as good cos its "well made"! Honesty what is the best brand to go for?
  17. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2007 Burton Posts: 3661 Alfa Romeo GT
    #17
    As explained above it doesnt really matter. They all give very similar gains. But supersprint are better quality than raceland if that bothers you. But obviously you will pay more for it.

    I have the raceland 4-2-1.
  18. Scotland Joined: Jul 2005 Edinburgh Posts: 9556 Saxo 1.6i 16v VTS, 2 Classic Minis
    #18
    I've got a raceland too. The GMC manifold is a Piper 4-1
  19. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Bangor Posts: 818 Furio, 300+BHP EP82, zx6RR Ninja
    #19
    lol i just got of the phone to eurostyling there and for the supersprint manifold inc VAT and PP its £305.44. Think thats just abit on the expensive side lol bt thanks again for the info!
  20. Established Member Joined: Apr 2006 Bridgend, S. Wales Posts: 1092 MkII White VTS
    #20
    i got a 4-2-1 raceland on the VTS, gave £160 delivered iirc, off ebay new.
  21. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2007 Weston-S-Mare Posts: 3713 Racing Bronze Mazda MX-5
    #21
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Paul_Collins View Post
    i got a 4-2-1 raceland on the VTS, gave £160 delivered iirc, off ebay new.
    thats pricey, £135 from Kam deliverd mine was.

    go for the raceland 4-2-1, many peeps have it and it is very good for the price, and for that extra bit, just heat wrap it.
  22. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Bangor Posts: 818 Furio, 300+BHP EP82, zx6RR Ninja
    #22
    yea think im just gona go for the raceland manifold cos im not needing something at £200-£300!
  23. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2005 M'Bro - Teesside Posts: 3060 401 bhp r33 skyline
    #23
    dont the raceland 4-2-1's hang lower than the front bumper????
  24. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Bangor Posts: 818 Furio, 300+BHP EP82, zx6RR Ninja
    #24
    Im honestly not too sure lol but i want a manifold so i think th raceland will be mine soon!
  25. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2007 Weston-S-Mare Posts: 3713 Racing Bronze Mazda MX-5
    #25
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Robbo View Post
    dont the raceland 4-2-1's hang lower than the front bumper????
    you sure, i dont think mine does.
  26. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS
    #26
    My raceland is fine doesn't hang below the bumper..

    As you have a Furio mate its a VT model with a 1400 engine, so play with it..

    Thats what i have been doing..:d
  27. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Bangor Posts: 818 Furio, 300+BHP EP82, zx6RR Ninja
    #27
    cheers m8, any ideas for me?
  28. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS
    #28
    Depends where you want to go with it..Mines a full on track car..No radio or anything, stripped right out with carbon floot trays etc..