Bit of advice please....

12th December 2004, 02:39

Well, as some of you know, next year sometime Im hoping to replace my westie engine for a MK2 VTR engine.And also turbo it.
Few things:
1) before I get it in , should I get uprated cam aswell?
2) Shall I use the 1.4 gearbox,or will it die pretty much immediately? If not what one shall I use??
3) Should I uprate any other parts I.E: clutch etc..?
4) I already have VTR disc setup on the back, but should I do anything with the brakes and suspension when I get the conversion done ?

Cheers in advance!

12th December 2004, 02:53

while your having the conversion i would change the cam to save u doing it later!i wish i had ov done that when i had my conversion!gear box wise ur's should be ok but the ratio's are different!if u were going to change it then use a mk2 vtr one or a mk 1 box would be just as good i would imagine! suspension wise i wouldnt imagine u would need to change anything but u could uprate the brakes as standard ones are really not the best! again the clutch if u were to change it then again get one from a vtr!

hope ive helped!

12th December 2004, 03:03

Mmm.Im not too hot on this but i dont think the cam will want to be too wild.Certainly a 270 duration will be fine methinks.Although that advice could be a load of old bollocks !!!

(i may be thinking of supercharging)Anyone ????

ALL gearboxes are rated as the same strength,be they a 1.1,1.4,VTR or VTS.Cheapest way of uprating one is going to be one with uprated bearings,strengthened internally and shot-peened.VTR box tends to suit turbo conversions due to longer ratios - or go "mad" and fit 1.1 or VTS box....shorter ratios for crazy acceleration.

Its torque that kills Saxo clutches.They will take approx 200bhp (depending on driving style) but probably not much more than 150-160lbft torque.Turbo will soon destroy a standard one.....Pugsport,AP paddle etc is the way to go for a Turbo'd lump.

Be best to uprate brakes and suspension beforehand sure.Worlds your oyster - how bigs your wallet ! lol
Are the brakes and suspenders standard at the moment ???

12th December 2004, 03:21

Brakes:
I have got VTR rear disc setup, and all the discs are 12 groove performance discs. with ferodo pads all round.

Suspension:
standard shocks, spax springs I think ? 35mm drop, 16's

when I get the VTR engine I wil get the g/box with it aswell, so u reckon best to use that one, as I thought the 1.4 box was a v close ratio to the VTS one??

12th December 2004, 03:30

U want to put a vts or a 1.1 gearbox in, quicker baby!

12th December 2004, 03:32

You brakes will obviously get tested more as the speed increases.YOU are best judge of if they are up to the job

Suspension = Far as im aware,replacing JUST the springs will place extra stresses on standard shocks and they will deteriate faster than a boggo set-up.I would be looking at a kit personally.Spax do some reasonable kits - perhaps you could just add the appropriate shockers to match your springs ?

Gearboxes = Theres some debate on the 1.4 box,but i im pretty positive both the 1.1 and VTS are shorter.If i remember the 1.4 has low ratios in 1st,2nd and 3rd and then higher (like VTR) 4th and 5th for motorway cruising.
VTR with longer ratios will be good on road with Turbo as you will be able to ride the torque and use the longer gearing.What box depends on what you use car for.Mainly road ? - If so is that backroads or motorway miles ? Some track-work ? Gonna drag-strip it ? Are you a top-end or acceleration person ? Concerned about MPG ?

Of course the ultimate power you are going to run will also influence that decision.Ie VTR may be the longest ratio but if you gona have 250hp then the longer ratio's wont be a problem.With me ?

12th December 2004, 03:36

Go for 0-60, u cant get bollocked for reaching 60 in fuck all seconds but u can get bollocked for traveling down the motorway at 200 mph! SADLY!

12th December 2004, 03:45

I bought a 1.1 box which is being rebuilt and strengthened and then getting internals shot-peened to use when the current one dies - which wont be long i think

I may then get 13 inch wheels aswell which should equate to 115-120mph at redline in top !!! Got another car and a bike so its just a fun car that dont do any motorway miles and im gonna use a Santa Pod a bit this year.

12th December 2004, 03:47

What Id like to get is knocking on 185bhp.this possible ?? Carworx turbo conversion.

I do a 5 mins journey to work and back everyday. But also a lot of motorway cruising when I can. Id like a rapid 0 - 100mph. and a decent top end.
like to keep as decent a MPG as poss.
Prob get a 40mm koni full suspension kit soon anyways.

Im prob looking at quite a lot of money for all this lot arent I !?!

12th December 2004, 03:54

Er - yes ! I'd suggest you think about getting a black balaclava and a boiler suit too in that case...

For the bank Job to finance it

12th December 2004, 03:57

Best get saving then ......
What would b the cheaper option then ? turbo? supercharge??

12th December 2004, 04:07

Not sure dude - carworx Turbo conversion is good price.Fairly new conversion isnt it - anyone had it done ? ie: Are these proven (both reliability and performance wise) conversions ?

Although supercharger is probably "better" power in day to day real-world driving.Its like the difference between a big-thumping,twin cyclinder superbike and a screaming 4 cylinder........

12th December 2004, 04:13

Hmm and supercharger is instant power isnt it . eg: no turbo lag.

Carworx offer very good deals, and they are in Herts aswell !

But I always thought supercharger conversions were expensive!

12th December 2004, 04:20

Spercharger units themselves are cheap.I saw a BRAND NEW Eaton ? one for a new Mini on ebay days ago for pennies.
How much to get it fitted with all ancillaries etc got no idea.

No different to a turbo comversion though is it ? Turbo aint £500 or so.Its all the rubbish and labour that go's with it.

Makes me glad i only have to change NOS jets at £12 a pair when i go to the strip

12th December 2004, 04:27

would NOS be a better option then when I put the VTR engine in , as I suppose all I want extra power for is kickin the asses off people at the lights n shit lol. Well still do the cam etc aswell.

12th December 2004, 04:42

Up to you."Basic kit" - £750 fitted (or £550ish DIY),Controller (needed) for larger amounts £350 fitted,bottle warmer £100 and a few other little bits like coil-pack,plugs etc and you should be good for an extra 75bhp safely for around £1300-£1400.And of course you can transfer the kit to ANY car when you change or sell if you want.Cant do that with turbo or S/C can you ?

If you just want a bit of fun at weekends,blasting a few scoobies now and again and a competative small,FWD car at the strip etc then nitrous is ideal.

12th December 2004, 04:47

hmm 75bhp, would make roughly 175bhp in a mk2 VTR, for under £1500 fitted. Ideal indeed then!

Ooh, about fitting a MK2 VTR engine into where once was a MK1 1999 westie engine. Difficult job ? May DIY it. is all wiring the same or will I have to change that all aswell??

Im leaning towards NOS now actually!

12th December 2004, 04:56

Can get a basic kit and run 50hp ok.Clutch might not take a single-hot 50hp for to long though......you could do that for £750 fitted !

If however you want a bit more and dont want to kill drive-shafts,tyres,clutch etc and want some traction on damp days then a controller is the answer and then you can run 75hp safely as long as you have cooler running NOS spec plugs and a decent working coil-pack.

So could get basic kit first and then build it up slowly to whatever spec you want.....

see: www.noswizards.com

Start off by reading the "What you need/want to know about nitrous section before you fit" first perhaps ?

12th December 2004, 05:00

Cheers dude, will take a look at that and see how that goes!

12th December 2004, 05:08

didnt work that site..

12th December 2004, 05:12

www.noswizard.com - NO fucking "S" at the end (slaps myself)! Im tired,i have 10 sausages for fingers and im not the sharpest tool in the box.

Should work now

12th December 2004, 05:19

Works....
Stonking site that, will have a proper read of it 2moz, bit tired now...!

Cheers!!

12th December 2004, 05:47

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that all went right over my headLMFBO! Â© sax-p

12th December 2004, 06:31

going back to the engine, the mk2 vtr should go straight into ur car al.with regards to the wiring u should or will get the wiring loom with it so it will all wire up ok!poss diy job if u know much about it!other wise its a garage job unless u have a mechanic mate who will do it for u?

12th December 2004, 06:34

also forgot 2 mention i think superchargers are cheaper than a turbo conversion! it think????

12th December 2004, 06:40

both conversions will work out more or less the same once all other things are added.

Dont add a cam or as 748 (see what i did there

) no more than a 270.

Uprate the clutch, the standard one will take a bit of power depending on use but the problems is the clutch could blow and take a hell of a lot with it!

Suspension you will get away with but uprated brakes i would say are a must at the very least bigger discs.

Get your wallet out its not going to be cheap

12th December 2004, 17:20

Tell me about it !
Im really considering VTS engine with Nos now actually.
Prob get it alot quicker than the turbo/supercharger as alot less saving to do!
And I do literlly want it for the odd scooby slaying...!

12th December 2004, 21:37

guys, why is a 1.1 or vts gear box better?

12th December 2004, 21:47

Yea but at the end of the day you'll have drove a mile down the road and then the scooby's goina pass you no probs, and you have to refill which all adds up.

Also Eaton chargers are cheap yes but way less efficient then rotrex ones. They are also off minis and you will have to design and make your own mountings for it as nobody sells a complete kit for the saxo. They take something like 17-20 bhp to drive. Rotrex are extremely efficient and cost around £1700 new, so no not neccessarily that superchargers are cheaper then turbos. Cituning and DP ones are around the £700 mark new.

12th December 2004, 21:49

and are there any probs with doing it?

12th December 2004, 21:52

What, like any probs with doin the Eaton conversion?

12th December 2004, 22:00

no with having a 1.1. gearbox in a vtr engine?

12th December 2004, 22:06

didn't gaz have or does have 1.1 box on VTS, or was this someone else I am thinking of ?

12th December 2004, 22:35

Adam: the 1.1 and the vts box have the shortest ratios, which means quicker acceleration but lower top speed in a nut shell.

i wouldnt just go Nitrous, it wont be much quicker and its not constant power, and once you start adding up the cost of a kit, then progressing to larger jets, adding a progressive controller your starting to talk quite a lot of money. Then refills.

If you do go nos only go wizards of nos.

12th December 2004, 23:09

I dont know.....!
Will look into Nos though.

12th December 2004, 23:52

Spot on advice scott - my nitrous kits quickly turned into well over £2k's worth.Shortlived power - but i only use it a little on the road and mainly going to use at the Pod next year

And Wizards of Nos is the ONLY one...........