vtr to vts power difference

1. Stripped Newbie Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 11 VTR

   #1 12th October 2007, 22:49

   Sorry, had a quick look couldn't find it.
   
   Power difference from a standard VTR to VTS?
   
   Cheers.
2. OLLYVTS Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 West Sussex . Posts: 5690 Subaru Impreza Wrx

   #2 12th October 2007, 22:51

   depends if its a mk1 or mk2 vtr really.
   There is 30bhp for a mk1 vtr compared to a vts.
3. frankie Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2006 Frome, down deepest, darkest zummerset Posts: 12971 VTRallye

   #3 12th October 2007, 22:53

   30hp upto w-reg vtr.
   then about 20hp there after.
4. SaxoJamie Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2007 Sussex Posts: 3891 2x 106 GTi

   #4 12th October 2007, 22:53

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by OLLYVTS depends if its a mk1 or mk2 vtr really. There is 30bhp for a mk1 vtr compared to a vts.

   And only 20BHP on a Mk2
5. Stripped Newbie Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 11 VTR

   #5 12th October 2007, 22:55

   Cheers guys, thats all i need to know!
6. Jagztorious Established Member Joined: Jul 2007 KENT -ROYAL Tunny wells Posts: 1678 SitRon Sackso.

   #6 13th October 2007, 00:10

   is the X reg 2000 mrk1 or mrk2 on a vtr?
7. frankie Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2006 Frome, down deepest, darkest zummerset Posts: 12971 VTRallye

   #7 13th October 2007, 00:37

   mk2....
8. steviet Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4119

   #8 13th October 2007, 10:45

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Jagztorious is the X reg 2000 mrk1 or mrk2 on a vtr?

   ive got an x reg and its a mark 2 but has the mark 1 90bhp engine in it.
9. Yates Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Pompey/Darlo Posts: 31546 MK1 - 1.1 Animal

   #9 13th October 2007, 10:52

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Rob1 And only 20BHP on a Mk2

   actually 22
   
   and that 22 makes a huge difference, vts pwns vtr all day long
10. Ste Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Yorkshire Posts: 5415 Saxo

    #10 13th October 2007, 12:00

    Even tho the BHP figures dont seem much, they do feel shed loads quicker to drive. Had a play in a couple.
11. OLLYVTS Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 West Sussex . Posts: 5690 Subaru Impreza Wrx

    #11 13th October 2007, 18:16

    The vts dose feel alot quicker,but theres not much diffence in torque compared between the two.
12. dobsd001 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jul 2006 West Sussex Posts: 116 Citroen Saxo Vts

    #12 13th October 2007, 18:19

    Definately a big difference.
    I drove my mums vtr after driving my vts and it didnt feel slow but there is a big difference overall.
    I think that the gear box has something to do with it as well.
13. RedB Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Haywards Heath Posts: 8445

    #13 13th October 2007, 18:21

    Difference is easy to see and feel straight away when you drive both
    
    Gearbox and engine will have something to do with it
14. Luke Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 Bradford Posts: 26687 '15 Focus ST-2

    #14 14th October 2007, 00:09

    BIG Difference in my opinion.
    
    The VTR is quick and pulls well, but once you hit 4k in the VTS it's off.
15. TU-Tuning Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Bristol Posts: 16575 JP4urio, 306 DTurbo SportShed

    #15 14th October 2007, 00:13

    Aye VTS is a twin cam its in a different league. It can do 60 in second
16. Luke Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 Bradford Posts: 26687 '15 Focus ST-2

    #16 14th October 2007, 00:23

    Correct it can do 60 in second.
    
    I thought they only revved upto 7250rpm but mine doesn't...
17. TU-Tuning Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Bristol Posts: 16575 JP4urio, 306 DTurbo SportShed

    #17 14th October 2007, 00:23

    ECU must have been molested by a previous owner then
18. Luke Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 Bradford Posts: 26687 '15 Focus ST-2

    #18 14th October 2007, 00:28

    It's only one owner before me, middle aged guy so I doubt he would touched it to be quite honest as everything else is standard.
    
    In 2nd it revs half way into red.
19. steviet Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4119

    #19 14th October 2007, 00:30

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ben_Saxo Aye VTS is a twin cam its in a different league. It can do 60 in second

    ma vtr does 60 in second
20. Luke Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 Bradford Posts: 26687 '15 Focus ST-2

    #20 14th October 2007, 00:31

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by steviet ma vtr does 60 in second

    Don't start this argument again.
    
    Clocks may show it does 60 but they don't
21. TU-Tuning Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Bristol Posts: 16575 JP4urio, 306 DTurbo SportShed

    #21 14th October 2007, 00:32

    mine does 62 on the dials. At that point its basically screaming murder though. Its probably doing about 45
22. steviet Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4119

    #22 14th October 2007, 00:34

    im not starting an argument lol. im just stating what the speedo reads. well how do you know that the vts is doing 60? if the speedo is wrong
23. TU-Tuning Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Bristol Posts: 16575 JP4urio, 306 DTurbo SportShed

    #23 14th October 2007, 00:37

    cus its GPS proven. And GPS tracks you with frikkin laser beams so you know its right
24. steviet Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4119

    #24 14th October 2007, 00:42

    right ok. on my sat nav it tells me my speed. so next time in second gear im gonna floor it and it will tell me. that uses gps. so it should be correct
25. TU-Tuning Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Bristol Posts: 16575 JP4urio, 306 DTurbo SportShed

    #25 14th October 2007, 00:48

    Yeah go for it. Trust me the saxo speedos are well out. ive had 128 out of mine on the dials on private land and its only a 1.4
26. steviet Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4119

    #26 14th October 2007, 00:53

    i thought the speedo`s are incorrect after 70 or 100mph. cause if they are incorrect all the time and you got caught for speeding you could just say sorry mate you should know the speedo`s are wrong. it said i was doing 30 and you clocked me at 50. if you see my point.
27. TU-Tuning Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Bristol Posts: 16575 JP4urio, 306 DTurbo SportShed

    #27 14th October 2007, 00:58

    Yeah but then they will give you more points for having an inaccurate speedo lol. Theyre not too bad at lower speeds, i think the gernal rule on saxo speedos is 1mph out for every 10mph so its like 10=9, 20=18 and so on.
    
    I know 35 is about 30. And ive been pulled for not doing the speedlimit in a 50, my dials said 50 but apparently i wasnt doing the speed limit
28. steviet Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4119

    #28 14th October 2007, 01:02

    ah right so basically it reads slower not faster. thats not bad, less chance of points
29. scottyvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2007 Paisley / Brighouse lol Posts: 4561 Corsa VXRacing

    #29 14th October 2007, 01:10

    so that means all speedos must be out i sat side by side with jul2vtr (the misses) she had 16's on her car 'n in a 30 zone she said she was doin 34mph 'n i was in my freelander !!!!!!!
    
    so i took into account that cause she had 16's on that would be the case anyway now she has her standard 14's on and does 30mph when im doin 30 in the freelander coincidence or what ??????????
30. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #30 14th October 2007, 01:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Luke Correct it can do 60 in second. I thought they only revved upto 7250rpm but mine doesn't...

    yes it shows 7500. everythings out on a saxo
31. bbbiggsy Regular Poster Joined: May 2006 northwich Posts: 259 vectra 2.2 sri 150.

    #31 14th October 2007, 21:46

    rafkev's vts only goes up to 6800 then he got a chip and it was put up to 7250
32. jaybiss Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Jul 2004 Solihull Posts: 18231 Two Tone Sax

    #32 14th October 2007, 22:37

    all speedos on saxos are out, no matter what speed your going
    
    75 on my clocks is 70 mph
    
    vtrs can only do 58 in second gear also
33. willsy West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S

    #33 14th October 2007, 22:47

    Speedo's in any car must be accurate upto 30mph. Anything after that can vary a fair bit.
    
    With regards to speeding though you cannot be given a ticket if you are doing 10% or less, more than the speed limit to take into account for speedo error.
    
    eg:
    
    33 in a 30
    44 in a 40
    77 in a 70 etc
    
    wouldnt recommend now driving at 33 mph on your clocks through a speed camera though thinking you've got some lee-way just incase lol
34. stiffler69 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 North East Posts: 5289

    #34 14th October 2007, 22:56

    Hey look my vtr done 70 in second so let that be the end of it
35. Luke Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 Bradford Posts: 26687 '15 Focus ST-2

    #35 14th October 2007, 22:57

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by stiffler69 Hey look my vtr done 70 in second so let that be the end of it

    That's because it was cammed
36. willsy West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S

    #36 14th October 2007, 23:04

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Luke That's because it was cammed

    Wouldnt make a difference. Rev limiter would still need to be adjusted and there would still be the restriction of the gearbox (not sure what speed the VTR 2nd gear would need changing at if the limiter wasnt there.
37. jaybiss Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Jul 2004 Solihull Posts: 18231 Two Tone Sax

    #37 14th October 2007, 23:04

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Luke That's because it was cammed

    that wouldnt matter as the ratios dertermin the top speed
    
    you could have 2000 bhp and would still only get 58 on a vtr box
38. Luke Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 Bradford Posts: 26687 '15 Focus ST-2

    #38 14th October 2007, 23:05

    *goes into corner*
    
    Didn't realise...
39. stiffler69 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 North East Posts: 5289

    #39 14th October 2007, 23:06

    Gearbox is capable lads it was more like 75 aswell than 70
40. stiffler69 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 North East Posts: 5289

    #40 14th October 2007, 23:07

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nXp_632to5k Not sure if it still works but i got a video its definately 70 on the clock and still going up
41. jaybiss Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Jul 2004 Solihull Posts: 18231 Two Tone Sax

    #41 14th October 2007, 23:09

    private vid
    
    limiter had been raised though i take it
    
    we are on about standard
42. stiffler69 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 North East Posts: 5289

    #42 14th October 2007, 23:09

    Should work now ^
43. stiffler69 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 North East Posts: 5289

    #43 14th October 2007, 23:11

    Yes the limiter was completely removed for some reason but the box in the vtr seemed to be pretty long in the gears i found i was changing gear a hell of a lot more in the vts i had than the vtr it also sat at lower revs on the motorway
44. willsy West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S

    #44 14th October 2007, 23:12

    http://www.saxosportsclub.com/Forums...c/t=17814.html
    
    This link shows a bit more.
45. Karl Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26

    #45 14th October 2007, 23:16

    Vts > Vtr
46. willsy West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S

    #46 14th October 2007, 23:19

    Looking at that info on the SSC link the gears in the VTR box are the longest. Its just the fact that the VTR limiter kicks in a fair bit earlier than a VTS one that required the earlier gear change.
    
    6250 for vtr
    7250 for vts iirc without going back to double check those are correct
47. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

    #47 14th October 2007, 23:20

    what were we even arguing about? lol
48. Luke Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 Bradford Posts: 26687 '15 Focus ST-2

    #48 14th October 2007, 23:21

    Standard VTS revs higher than my old VTR, but it's due to being a 16v a presume.
    
    Not complaining though, they are seriously fast.
49. willsy West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S

    #49 14th October 2007, 23:26

    lol the original question was difference in power which we answered on page 1...