Induction kits

1. martin_88 Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2007 glasgow Posts: 568

   #1 30th October 2007, 15:06

   Looking to get an induction kit for my 1.1 this week, not sure which is the best and has the best noise really. K & N has been mentioned a few times, any ideas cheers?
2. lew15 Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Stansted - Essex Posts: 418 MK1 1.1i SX

   #2 30th October 2007, 15:27

   theres threads all over the shot... the search bar is your friend!
3. Davidp Saxperience Addict Joined: May 2006 Posts: 12553

   #3 30th October 2007, 15:52

   Open for the noise.
   Enclosed for performance.
4. Wayne Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2007 Powys Posts: 15348 Icelandtic Grey Citroen Saxo VTS 53 Turbo

   #4 30th October 2007, 17:57

   go for a enclosed mate
5. Jimmy-Boy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2006 Suffolk Posts: 7551 N/A 200bhp+ per ton 106 gti

   #5 30th October 2007, 18:54

   id do a diy job and make a half open and half closed.. noise and performance
   
   naa umm on a 1.1 id probally pick noise.
6. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

   #6 30th October 2007, 19:46

   heh on a 1.1 I'd try to squeeze every bit of cheap power possble
7. bbbiggsy Regular Poster Joined: May 2006 northwich Posts: 259 vectra 2.2 sri 150.

   #7 31st October 2007, 14:19

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by David Open for the noise. Enclosed for performance.

   BMC enclosed filter cost around £150 (i got 105.9bhp)
   green open filter cost around £78 (i got 105.7bhp)
   
   i'd go for the open filter cheaper and u get the same power
8. user_8040 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2005 MaDchester Posts: 8432 Vts

   #8 31st October 2007, 15:09

   id just get a £20 filter from halfords for a 1.1 as there is no point buying an expensive kit when they all do the same thing, cheap filter will make a good noise and u wont have wasted money trying to get power from a 1.1.1.1
9. bridgesvtr90 Established Member Joined: Sep 2007 Bedfordshire Posts: 1354 saxo vtr

   #9 31st October 2007, 15:35

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by bbbiggsy BMC enclosed filter cost around £150 (i got 105.9bhp) green open filter cost around £78 (i got 105.7bhp) i'd go for the open filter cheaper and u get the same power

   where you get it from mate?
10. Wayne Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2007 Powys Posts: 15348 Icelandtic Grey Citroen Saxo VTS 53 Turbo

    #10 31st October 2007, 16:31

    go for a green with a open filter if you want just sound otherwise go for a bmc or raceland green filter for performance.
11. Danr Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Charming man Posts: 15880 Charming car

    #11 31st October 2007, 16:37

    TBH matey, most open inductions will sound the same. K & N and pipercross etc. They will all sound pretty similar.
    
    What i would say is that it won't make a huge amount of difference in power.
    
    If you are looking to get more power i wouldn't bother, concentrate on making it look good.
    
    Look at Willsy's car if you can. Looks amazing and used to have a pretty standard 1.0 litre engine in.
12. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #12 31st October 2007, 16:57

    Its the engine that decides what the car will sound like..
    
    Put an open cone filter on a 1.1 then put the same one on a VTS..
    
    The VTS will rumble like fek where as the 1.1 will just make a drone type noise..
13. saunders Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2006 Kent Posts: 3669 Fiat Seicento, MK2 Furio 2000 X, Pug 206

    #13 31st October 2007, 17:02

    If you can get one get a Simota:
    
    
    Else go for a raceland, there just as good. My simota sounds mint and is also an eclosed kit so adds extra pow
14. kiddy_vts Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2007 Kidderminster Posts: 604 Evo VIII FQ340 MR

    #14 31st October 2007, 18:08

    theres no point if you're hoping for a performance gain what so ever because you wont find any difference. if you want a bit of grunt then yes fair enough. but dont think because if you spend £150 odd on a bmc its gona make a difference because it wont. just replace with K&N flat panel i would
15. Rootyuk Established Member Joined: Jun 2007 Falmouth Posts: 1079 saxo 1.1i desire

    #15 31st October 2007, 21:05

    i heard from someon on here that u put an open filter in a 1.1 it will use more fuel or somethin, dunno how much to beleive but that put me off the idea of getting an induction kit.
    
    this true??
16. Morgan_VTR Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2007 Bristol/Bucks Posts: 2931 N3CNM 8v y0¬!

    #16 31st October 2007, 21:51

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bbbiggsy i'd go for the open filter cheaper and u get the same power

    incorrect. enclosed is better for power than an open filter.
17. Morgan_VTR Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2007 Bristol/Bucks Posts: 2931 N3CNM 8v y0¬!

    #17 31st October 2007, 21:53

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rootyuk i heard from someon on here that u put an open filter in a 1.1 it will use more fuel or somethin, dunno how much to beleive but that put me off the idea of getting an induction kit. this true??

    search is you friend.
    
    http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59943
    
    check FAQ at the end of the thread.
18. DJsaxo Established Member Joined: Nov 2006 Richmond North yorks Posts: 1522

    #18 31st October 2007, 22:04

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Morgeh incorrect. enclosed is better for power than an open filter.

    Now that is true !!! Enclosed filters do not draw in the hot air so it helps the engine more to gain speed quicker than a open filter, an open filter draws in more hot air from in the engine and does not help the engine keep up the speed.
    
    
    sorry if that don't make any sense...
    
    Someone should write it better for you.
19. Morgan_VTR Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2007 Bristol/Bucks Posts: 2931 N3CNM 8v y0¬!

    #19 31st October 2007, 22:15

    your talking about heat soak mate
    
    there is some info on here if you are interested! http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=87301
    
    
20. Rootyuk Established Member Joined: Jun 2007 Falmouth Posts: 1079 saxo 1.1i desire

    #20 31st October 2007, 22:26

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Morgeh search is you friend. http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59943 check FAQ at the end of the thread.

    dont get it, im gonna fit a open filter would i suffer or not?
21. Morgan_VTR Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2007 Bristol/Bucks Posts: 2931 N3CNM 8v y0¬!

    #21 31st October 2007, 22:31

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rootyuk dont get it, im gonna fit a open filter would i suffer or not?

    possibly, depends on what type of driving you do, mass stopping and starting will stagnate the heat in you bay, making heat soak and an decrease in performance and fuel consumption poorer. If you do motorway driving you have a continuous supply of "cooler" air and so its less apparent, but you want a air filter to be heard right? whos going to give a sh1t on the motorway!
    
    Personally Id spend a bit extra and go for enclosed and a rated filter like green. If you dont throttle it, it may imporove economy and increase MPG (more air to engine and so less fuel has to be burned). But no one ever notices as they hit 3-4k revs to get the nice sound
    
    Help?
22. DJsaxo Established Member Joined: Nov 2006 Richmond North yorks Posts: 1522

    #22 31st October 2007, 22:32

    More noise with a open filter than a enclosed one .
23. Wayne Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2007 Powys Posts: 15348 Icelandtic Grey Citroen Saxo VTS 53 Turbo

    #23 31st October 2007, 22:35

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DJsaxo More noise with a open filter than a enclosed one .

    thats true mate, but will get more performance gains with enclosed induction kit.
24. Wayne Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2007 Powys Posts: 15348 Icelandtic Grey Citroen Saxo VTS 53 Turbo

    #24 31st October 2007, 22:35

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Morgeh possibly, depends on what type of driving you do, mass stopping and starting will stagnate the heat in you bay, making heat soak and an decrease in performance and fuel consumption poorer. If you do motorway driving you have a continuous supply of "cooler" air and so its less apparent, but you want a air filter to be heard right? whos going to give a sh1t on the motorway! Personally Id spend a bit extra and go for enclosed and a rated filter like green. If you dont throttle it, it may imporove economy and increase MPG (more air to engine and so less fuel has to be burned). But no one ever notices as they hit 3-4k revs to get the nice sound Help?

    i agree mate i will be getting a enclosed sometime in the future
25. Rootyuk Established Member Joined: Jun 2007 Falmouth Posts: 1079 saxo 1.1i desire

    #25 31st October 2007, 22:38

    well i do a fair bit of motorway driving at the moment but thats stopping wen i move, so it will be for sound.
    
    basically i drive at about 70mph on the motorway (stick to limits), so am i right in thinking with an open filter i wouldnt suffer much, petrol cost wise?
26. Wayne Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2007 Powys Posts: 15348 Icelandtic Grey Citroen Saxo VTS 53 Turbo

    #26 31st October 2007, 22:42

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rootyuk well i do a fair bit of motorway driving at the moment but thats stopping wen i move, so it will be for sound. basically i drive at about 70mph on the motorway (stick to limits), so am i right in thinking with an open filter i wouldnt suffer much, petrol cost wise?

    it wouldn't suffer much petrol wise i had a open filter on my old furio and was fine.
27. Rootyuk Established Member Joined: Jun 2007 Falmouth Posts: 1079 saxo 1.1i desire

    #27 31st October 2007, 22:43

    rite cool cheers all
28. DJsaxo Established Member Joined: Nov 2006 Richmond North yorks Posts: 1522

    #28 31st October 2007, 22:43

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saxoboy07 thats true mate, but will get more performance gains with enclosed induction kit.

    
    yep you will as it dont draw in much/ if any hot air .
29. bbbiggsy Regular Poster Joined: May 2006 northwich Posts: 259 vectra 2.2 sri 150.

    #29 1st November 2007, 05:58

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Morgeh search is you friend. http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59943 check FAQ at the end of the thread.

    
    no its not i did 2 runs on rolling road 1st run, green filter 105.7. 2nd run, bmc 105.9 the power was the same. all this chat saying enclosed is for power is a load of shit
30. DJsaxo Established Member Joined: Nov 2006 Richmond North yorks Posts: 1522

    #30 1st November 2007, 07:02

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bbbiggsy no its not i did 2 runs on rolling road 1st run, green filter 105.7. 2nd run, bmc 105.9 the power was the same. all this chat saying enclosed is for power is a load of shit

    It's because an enclosed induction kits does not draw in the hot air so it helps the engine on longer journeys .
31. bbbiggsy Regular Poster Joined: May 2006 northwich Posts: 259 vectra 2.2 sri 150.

    #31 1st November 2007, 07:21

    end of the day my green has the same power as the BMC and sounds beta
32. DJsaxo Established Member Joined: Nov 2006 Richmond North yorks Posts: 1522

    #32 1st November 2007, 07:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bbbiggsy end of the day my green has the same power as the BMC and sounds beta

    
    probily does never had any of them so i cannt say any diffrent .
33. user_8040 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2005 MaDchester Posts: 8432 Vts

    #33 1st November 2007, 11:35

    basically if u own a 1.1 saxo, buy a cheap OPEN filter or panel filter, no point wasting money on an enclosed filter as it wont make any noticeable difference.
    
    enclosed is best used on the faster model cars where actual gains can be achieved.
34. Morgan_VTR Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2007 Bristol/Bucks Posts: 2931 N3CNM 8v y0¬!

    #34 1st November 2007, 18:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bbbiggsy end of the day my green has the same power as the BMC and sounds beta

    bmc and green raceland are both enclosed types of induction kits...... so I dont see your argument here.
35. bbbiggsy Regular Poster Joined: May 2006 northwich Posts: 259 vectra 2.2 sri 150.

    #35 1st November 2007, 20:22

    mine isn't a green receland it's a green open filter.
36. Rootyuk Established Member Joined: Jun 2007 Falmouth Posts: 1079 saxo 1.1i desire

    #36 1st November 2007, 20:25

    i just want one for sound, but dont wanna drain petrol in the process so i thinks il be gettin a open filter
37. bbbiggsy Regular Poster Joined: May 2006 northwich Posts: 259 vectra 2.2 sri 150.

    #37 1st November 2007, 20:40

    filters dont drink fuel, you make it drink fuel by putting your FOOT DOWN!!!!!
38. teebag Established Member Joined: May 2007 Nuneaton Posts: 1245 1997 R Reg MK1 VT1.0 saxo

    #38 1st November 2007, 20:54

    ive got an open on my 1.0 and haven't noticed any difference in fuel consumption other than i'm finding that i'm ragging the car around in a lower gear than nessasery alot more and thats taken my fuel economy down.
39. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #39 1st November 2007, 21:29

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bbbiggsy green filter 105.7. 2nd run, bmc 105.9

    Those extra 0.2 bhps soon add up if you are maximising everything lmao
    
    With the bonnet up on the RR the ambient air around the open filter won't be as hot as when the bonnet is closed. It could be argued that an enclosed won't show its benifits under certain conditions.
    
    When driving hard on the road / circuit there are good reasons to draw the air from a high pressure area at the front of the car.
40. SaxoAlex Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Nantwich Posts: 692 '07 zetec S

    #40 20th November 2007, 21:18

    So on a 1.1, do you actually FEEL the increase in responsiveness of having an open filter? Or, is sound the only thing that increases?