Custom springs..

31st October 2007, 01:31

Hi all, can you get springs custom made to any ride height?

I ask as my bilstein front shocks are currently running with 60mm spax springs and i need/want no arch gap on the front but at the moment there is about 3/4's of an inch and its starting to piss me off..

Coilovers are an option but unless i spend well over £500 i am not going to get the quality my billies offer so i would rather spend less on a set of custom springs that will lower the car 80mm..

Any help would be great!!

31st October 2007, 01:33

double post.... ummm moisture.

31st October 2007, 01:34

yep. contact faulkner (i think thats their name - i'll correct when i've searched and i am).

cant believe im offering you advice when you're going to get 80mm lowering springs from them

http://www.dfaulknersprings.co.uk/

31st October 2007, 01:34

didn't Yates get some custom springs?

31st October 2007, 01:35

he did indeed... wasnt more than £130 im sure of it (for two)

31st October 2007, 01:41

Cheers Ad..

Soz if its been asked before..

When i saw your name on here was expecting a huge debate! lol

31st October 2007, 01:43

no no no jimbob. I'm just playing around about the daft ride heights you set your car to.

as said i dont think they charge a stupid amount for the springs... quite competitive actually

31st October 2007, 01:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by adsayer

no no no jimbob. I'm just playing around about the daft ride heights you set your car to.

as said i dont think they charge a stupid amount for the springs... quite competitive actually

Yeah i heard they charge about £100 ish..

Just emailed them so will see what they say etc..:d

31st October 2007, 01:50

hopefully they'll tell you to choose a proper ride height

31st October 2007, 01:53

Haha..

I have 3/4's of an inch arch gap, its got to go!!

31st October 2007, 08:29

faulkners do make custom springs, 110 i think for mine, but you have to tell them what you want, and dont just say alright me ol mucka i want some 80mm springs as that wont help them...

i looked into it alot, mine lowers around 30mm maybe a bit higher and i think they are 180lbs and 250 length, thats what information they go for, and i honestly cant you see being able to work out what length and weight you want them to get a drop of that much...

you will have to put some research into it.

faulkners dont know how much the spring lowers the car

i would say best bet is to ask on ssc, but as your banned for life, id say your fucked

altho they would probs say the same as me

cant really help any more than said mate

31st October 2007, 11:36

Ok, cheers for that Yates..

They replied saying i would need to give them those details etc..

How did you work yours out?

31st October 2007, 12:12

80mm springs on a track car? Good one.

To work it out, you need to know the length of your shock and the weight of the front of the car. You also need to know the min length the spring can be when unloaded, so that it doesn't become unmounted ove bumps. 80mm drop will mean that you need to go for something mega soft to stop it unhooking, which means it will ground out constantly. In short, don't bother. Either go with a set of coil overs and get them set up properly or buy a set of 80mm PI springs

Love the way people build no nonsense track cars now days

31st October 2007, 12:17

Quite surprised by this too James mate, looks over handling. Not like you?

I was looking at 40mm Faulkner for the GTi, same poundage as the rear torsions
bars I get (21mm).
Hopefully to achieve a good balance front and rear. At the moment I have a feeling
the front is a bit softer than the rear (venturi springs with standard TBs)

31st October 2007, 12:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by CampDavid

80mm springs on a track car? Good one.

To work it out, you need to know the length of your shock and the weight of the front of the car. You also need to know the min length the spring can be when unloaded, so that it doesn't become unmounted ove bumps. 80mm drop will mean that you need to go for something mega soft to stop it unhooking, which means it will ground out constantly. In short, don't bother. Either go with a set of coil overs and get them set up properly or buy a set of 80mm PI springs

Love the way people build no nonsense track cars now days

Thanks for your help but i dont see your point tbh..

My car is on 60mm springs at the moment and its just not how 60mm should be so i have to over compensate as my car is light and on uber hard shocks..

I'm not the usual twat trying to run it all on std shocks either, i have Group N Billies on the front and next week buying some Works Tarmac rear dampers.

Also just take a look at all the Saxmax cars, they cant all be wrong having their cars so low.

Track cars are low..Fact..

Rushy- Its not a case of looks over handling, its a case of getting it to sit how it should on 60mm springs..lol

31st October 2007, 12:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by rushy_23

Quite surprised by this too James mate, looks over handling. Not like you?

I was looking at 40mm Faulkner for the GTi, same poundage as the rear torsions
bars I get (21mm).
Hopefully to achieve a good balance front and rear. At the moment I have a feeling
the front is a bit softer than the rear (venturi springs with standard TBs)

Not possible with the standard strut as far as I know, the springs would need to be 180lb to keep balance and therefor would be too long at the minimum length.

31st October 2007, 12:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by James_Bristol

Also just take a look at all the Saxmax cars, they cant all be wrong having their cars so low.

Track cars are low..Fact..

jim bob,

The sax max cars defo arent down 80mm at the front im sure of it.

Secondly, yep track cars are down low but their suspension geometry is designed with the cars low ride height in mind. With a saxo the geometry has been designed based around two people in the front and a small amount of crap in the boot. when you lower the car with springs you alter the the geometry of suspension and usually its for the worst.

Remember, the tyres and ONLY the tyres produce grip, laterally (cornering) and longitudinally (accelerating and braking)
The suspension geometry only controls how the tyre achieves the grip.

in short, no you cant just lower the car to silly amounts like a track car, unless you modify the wishbones and hub accordingly

31st October 2007, 12:56

I know all that Ad, but if you look at those Saxmax cars for example they are stupidly low at the front, 60mm atleast..

I dont think your getting what i'm saying, i want my car to sit at a ride height of about -60mm, but as its light and my dampers soo stiff its just not the height i want. Its more like 45-50mm..

So i have to over compensate with my spring choice to get it where i want it.

Also i do have shortened and uprated dampers, so its not just on std shocks.

31st October 2007, 13:08

the saxmax cars may have uprated wishbones

31st October 2007, 13:14

I dont think they do, they are pretty much std tbh..

31st October 2007, 13:57

Quote:

So i have to over compensate with my spring choice to get it where i want it.

I dont understand that statement mate

But I know where your coming from mate, your 60mm springs dont look 60mm. But why not just invest
in some high quality springs and not be so concerned about ride height?

I also noticed the Saxmax cars looked low, but is that your main concern
with your car? Only reason I ask is it seemed before you were after the best parts
possible for your car on the track. Not having a go like.

31st October 2007, 14:02

With that statement i mean that if i want my car to sit -60mm i have to get a lower spring to compensate for the weight of my car and the stiff dampers.

As i said before, the -60mm spring on mine now is making it sit at about -50mm.

My Spax springs are fine, have used spax and other makes before and i think spax are one of the best.

I want my car to be at its best but i also want it to look how i want it, i mean i can live with my car as it is and if i get nowhere with the custom springs then it will stay as it is until i can afford some decent coilovers.

31st October 2007, 14:13

Fair enough mate, I know what you mean. I would prefer the best of both, looks
and performance. But its hard to balance the 2.

Why would your car be lighter, I know you have stripped it but I doubt that
would make the car any higher? Mines really stripped now, but imo the front
and rear sit the same as before. Must be a slight difference but not a noticeable
difference.

Also didnt think stiffer shocks make a difference in height?

31st October 2007, 14:20

To start with my engine weigh's about half a VTS engine as mine has an alloy block etc and the VTS's are iron, big difference in weight there.

I think they do make a difference in height, before i put the billies on there with it being stripped aswell i had -40mm spax springs on std shocks and it only sat abit higher with those, when i first put the billies on i had ventura -40mm springs and it was like std ride height, no joke!

So i put the -60mm ones on there and it made a big difference, just have this bit of arch gap at the front and its getting annoying now..lol

31st October 2007, 14:30

So it is 60mm VTS springs you have on now mate? Hence why they dont seem
the full 60mm?

31st October 2007, 14:33

Yeah, but my car is listed along with the VTR's and VTS's when i bought the springs..

31st October 2007, 14:34

Fair enough man, let me know how you get on with the custom ones.

31st October 2007, 14:53

Okies dude!

:d

31st October 2007, 15:09

Here's a pic of the arch gap i am on about..

31st October 2007, 15:25

How low at the rear is that lol!? Mate that looks spot on to me being honest.
Rear could even be raised a little to suit.

Spend your money elsewhere imo. How does the car handle?

31st October 2007, 15:27

LOL

Its low..

It handles amazingly, i did think it would be all over the place on bumpy roads but it really isn't..Its the dampers you see..The difference they make is unreal..

:d

31st October 2007, 15:33

Your running group N Billies, Im running Sprintline Billies, is there much difference
between the 2?

I paid sh1t loads for mine. Was really really impressed. Had Gmax on my saxo,
what a load of crap that was.

31st October 2007, 15:39

I'm running B8 Sprintlines on the back and front but the B8's are Group N ones on the front for the Saxo..

I paid £420 ish i think for mine..

They are really good, you defo get what you pay for!

31st October 2007, 15:41

So only slight difference then? Doubt its worth me selling up and swapping.
If I can get down to donnington I will have a little look.

Would love to come to Donnington to sit in your car mate, but just dont have
the cash at the moment.

31st October 2007, 15:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by rushy_23

So only slight difference then? Doubt its worth me selling up and swapping.
If I can get down to donnington I will have a little look.

Would love to come to Donnington to sit in your car mate, but just dont have
the cash at the moment.

Nah its not worth you swapping really..

If you could make it that would be wickid..:d

not sure whether i'm on the track yet or not but i will defo be going either way with the camera!!

31st October 2007, 16:27

Im after some custom faulkners for mine, ive been told 240mm 160lb will lower the car around the 45/50mm mark so spot on really and 160lb is pretty much matched with standard bars on the back so should be a nice neutral setup. When are you guys going to donnington?

31st October 2007, 16:31

Sounds good dude..

We are there 27th Dec..

31st October 2007, 17:56

coilsport.com do custom springs

31st October 2007, 18:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dibz

Im after some custom faulkners for mine, ive been told 240mm 160lb will lower the car around the 45/50mm mark so spot on really and 160lb is pretty much matched with standard bars on the back so should be a nice neutral setup. When are you guys going to donnington?

If thats true then your rep worthy mate

31st October 2007, 18:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiddy_vts

coilsport.com do custom springs

Cheers dude!

31st October 2007, 18:13

so you basically want something pukka short and stiff as. just make something up

31st October 2007, 18:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by James_Bristol

Cheers dude!

no worries. very good springs. i got some on my corsa

31st October 2007, 18:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullit

so you basically want something pukka short and stiff as. just make something up

I dont know how to take that comment dude..lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiddy_vts

no worries. very good springs. i got some on my corsa

Okies..:d

Cheers