EBC Greenstuff Pads.....

31st October 2007, 18:22

I'm after a set of front one's for my VTR.

However.......

According too Ebay there's 3 different type of saxo caliper.

1. ATE
2. Girling

Or....

3. Lucas

Can someone shed any light on this and how do I find out what type I have.

Here's the link for more clarity....

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CITROEN-SAXO-V...QQcmdZViewItem

Cheers.

31st October 2007, 18:30

Take a photo of the pads you have now and post them up.

I have used these pads and they were quite poor. There really just a stock pad, nothing special at all. Just get a set of normal cheap Ferodo DS pads.

31st October 2007, 18:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by AXracing

Take a photo of the pads you have now and post them up.

I have used these pads and they were quite poor. There really just a stock pad, nothing special at all. Just get a set of normal cheap Ferodo DS pads.

Cheers mate, think I will now.

31st October 2007, 20:06

dont get them mate they are shit imo. the compound is way too hard for the size of the saxo discs as they dont warm up quick enough for them to reach their full braking potential. becasue they dont warm up enough they create a glaze over the pad and this makes that braking even worse

31st October 2007, 20:25

i would go for mintex pads mate

31st October 2007, 20:29

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Originally Posted by saxoboy07

i would go for mintex pads mate

agreed. id go for the 1144's if you can afford them (i think there about £47) which are good. the standard mintext ones are good aswell but you get alot more brake dust coming off them

31st October 2007, 21:38

i agree with the above comment. im running with greenstuff pads at the moment and find that they are not that much better than the standard pads i had on before. i now have some mintex m1144's to put on with the gti180 calipers and discs, so i will have to get them on when i get some spare time.

31st October 2007, 21:57

My old Vtr had ATE calipers - if in doubt check 'em!

31st October 2007, 22:13

ive heard good on mintex im running ebc greenstuff pads or grooved disc never had a problem great stopping

1st November 2007, 06:16

greenstuff pads are good but the brake dust is wank

1st November 2007, 08:11

EBC green stuff pads are about on par with some standard replacement pads when it comes to performance. They really are nothing special. The bad thing about EBC green stuff is they cost so much more than a standard pad. Also EBC green stuff pads do not last long.

1st November 2007, 17:41

i use the mintex with standard disks, work very well,

1st November 2007, 18:18

ebc shitstuff they should be named.

personally wouldnt ever recommend fitting them.

1st November 2007, 18:34

Yeah i ait heard not good about the greenstuff pads yet all my mates have complained about them and for the cost they aint worth it..

1st November 2007, 18:39

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Originally Posted by Mark51

dont get them mate they are shit imo. the compound is way too hard for the size of the saxo discs as they dont warm up quick enough for them to reach their full braking potential. becasue they dont warm up enough they create a glaze over the pad and this makes that braking even worse

disagree with that got both greenstuff pads and discs front and back and are very good as long as you take the time to run them in !!!!

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Originally Posted by GRAHAM2000VTR

ive heard good on mintex im running ebc greenstuff pads or grooved disc never had a problem great stopping

agree since we've uprated from standard to ebc the brakes are 100% better !!! had mintex on my landrover discovery and they squealed like a pig at slaughter and glazed the disks and had to change them all !!!!

1st November 2007, 21:04

i go some fast road pads called 'pagid' i'd never heard of them before till a mate recommened them they are pretty good for the money only £33 from motorscope in northallerton.

1st November 2007, 23:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark51

dont get them mate they are shit imo. the compound is way too hard for the size of the saxo discs as they dont warm up quick enough for them to reach their full braking potential. becasue they dont warm up enough they create a glaze over the pad and this makes that braking even worse

exactly wot i thought mate i used tarox with tarox 40 groove discs front and rear nd in 2 words fucking mint

1st November 2007, 23:17

Check for a logo on your calipers

2nd November 2007, 08:53

To the people that say Green stuff is good. Can I ask you why you think there good? As from my they wore out very fast. When they were working they over heated frighteningly quickly. But even from cold they were not great. I used them in a sprint car for a while and just found they were useless. I gave up on them when the friction materiel fell off. Even when they were working they never really had the bight I expected. Even have had them set fire two times. Really they were useless. The standard Ferodo DS road pads for me works much better as they lasted longer. Never got them to over heat on a sprint. But most of all had a lot more bite. And to be hones the Ferodo DS are still poor pads. Just a lot better than green stuff. Get a nice set of 3500 plus for a good pad if your a track nut. But for the road I would also recommend mintex m1144's.

As for grooved discs. They can actually loose you stopping power. The groves are there to stop your pads glazing over if you start over heating your brakes. You only need a handful a grooved to do this. The old kit car spec rally cars only had 4 groves on for instance. Just think about it, the more groves you have the less of the pad is contacting the disc and so the less power you have.

2nd November 2007, 08:58

Most of these brake things are like the resister chips and power fuel additives. As far as performance goes they tend to do nothing or loose some. But the amount of people who have gone out and swear how great they are. That is like Green stuff pads and 600,000 grove discs. Really there nothing special or actually very poor.

2nd November 2007, 09:24

I remember having greenstuff pads and ebc discs on my old vtr. Took if for a thrash round 7-8 miles of country lanes then came to stop at a junction and couldn't!

The fade was terrible, bite almost non existant. Should not be marketed as a fast road pad because they just aren't!

I now have Mintex 1144 in my WP 6 pots and they have never let me down.

2nd November 2007, 15:09

defintely go for mintex pads

2nd November 2007, 17:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxo180

I remember having greenstuff pads and ebc discs on my old vtr. Took if for a thrash round 7-8 miles of country lanes then came to stop at a junction and couldn't!

The fade was terrible, bite almost non existant. Should not be marketed as a fast road pad because they just aren't!

I now have Mintex 1144 in my WP 6 pots and they have never let me down.

tut tut "thrashing around" country roads that fade in such a short distance take you went for fuel on the way home !!!

i dont even get that kind of fade after over a couple of hours off roading -and the freelander relies heavily on abs and traction control - and the pads are not very good ftw

2nd November 2007, 18:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by AXracing

Most of these brake things are like the resister chips and power fuel additives. As far as performance goes they tend to do nothing or loose some. But the amount of people who have gone out and swear how great they are. That is like Green stuff pads and 600,000 grove discs. Really there nothing special or actually very poor.

Have to agree. I bought a set of Green stuff pads to try them out as people were raving about them. Wasn't impressed.

Most modifications to disks are related to heat. Work to minimise the effect of that and you don't have to spend masses. On the 205 track car I used to run I used Halford brake discs (12 each) and Mintex Race pads (I forget which) that worked at high temperatures

Combined with yoko 048R tyres it was rare to find myself outbraked by brake setups costing a significant amount more. And no fade.

2nd November 2007, 18:20

even worse are the ebc grooved and grilled discs lol!

about as much stopping force as having a quaver under each wheel

2nd November 2007, 18:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

even worse are the ebc grooved and grilled discs lol!

about as much stopping force as having a quaver under each wheel

legend.

2nd November 2007, 18:39

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Originally Posted by bullit

legend.

rep me then biach

2nd November 2007, 18:44

i think there ok better than standard thats good enough for me - shit breaks try older vw golfs your blessed in the sax ftw !!!!!

2nd November 2007, 18:51

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Originally Posted by scottyvtr

i think there ok better than standard thats good enough for me - shit breaks try older vw golfs your blessed in the sax ftw !!!!!

my 12 halfords spethals are better than the green shit before.

2nd November 2007, 19:31

tbh i know there not the best, but i think there alright.. alot better than whatever the car had on it before hand. tho ill be tryin the mintex when i get a vts...

only downside ive found with mine is the fuckin brake dust!, not felt fade or anything on them but im an amazingly slow driver that doesnt need brakes to go down country roads because i drive like doris the 90 year old woman

2nd November 2007, 20:44

i have ebc green stuff on my gti-6 brakes and personally think there shit hot even mark51 was impressed with them

2nd November 2007, 22:32

mintex END OF STORY lol

tbh someone make a dam POLL thread and put the brake pad brands and lets honestly see which ones gets the most votes i think mintex will be at the top

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3rd November 2007, 19:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by djmartinp

mintex END OF STORY lol

tbh someone make a dam POLL thread and put the brake pad brands and lets honestly see which ones gets the most votes i think mintex will be at the top

.

mintex are highly regarded as the best. the poll wont work as you have different caliper designs etc...

and clueless noobs who think stuff is great because theyve never been in a car with proper brakes

3rd November 2007, 22:34

as said had mintex on my old motor had to change 'em all - discs pads front and rear - and would never put them back on any car i will ever own -fact !!!

im even thinking of putting greenstuff on the big green machine but i can be certain it wont be mintex ftw !!!

4th November 2007, 23:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottyvtr

as said had mintex on my old motor had to change 'em all - discs pads front and rear - and would never put them back on any car i will ever own -fact !!!

im even thinking of putting greenstuff on the big green machine but i can be certain it wont be mintex ftw !!!

only person ive ever seen though with negative feedback about mintex. as opposed to ebshit where tons of people feel theyre as usefull as a hole in the head.

4th November 2007, 23:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

only person ive ever seen though with negative feedback about mintex. as opposed to ebshit where tons of people feel theyre as usefull as a hole in the head.

LOLS

greenstuff tbh should be renamed to brownstuff (for they are simply shit)

mintex should be renamed to MINT (for they do the job they are supposed to do)

4th November 2007, 23:22

is it just ebc pads that are shit or are the discs shit aswell.. ive got a pair of brand new front evo sport performance vented discs havent put them on yet was even gona sell them?

4th November 2007, 23:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

even worse are the ebc grooved and grilled discs lol!

about as much stopping force as having a quaver under each wheel

LOL

4th November 2007, 23:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anders0n

LOL

lol or well think i`l sell thm to some unlucky person

4th November 2007, 23:45

So what's this like then...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mintex-Front-D...QQcmdZViewItem

My front discs and pads are going to need changing soon so I've been looking around a bit.

4th November 2007, 23:50

not sure never really tried any other brakes apart from standard... just managed to get my hands on these drilled an grooved 1`s for cheap so i got them

5th November 2007, 20:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

only person ive ever seen though with negative feedback about mintex. as opposed to ebshit where tons of people feel theyre as usefull as a hole in the head.

LOL ! you really pay over the odds for those pads 47 wrappers ftw just seen in a magazine Disco 1 mintex pads £13.98p omfg you right get what you pay for !!!!!!!!

Why do they cost so much for a wee tiny car

Quote:

Originally Posted by djmartinp

LOLS

greenstuff tbh should be renamed to brownstuff (for they are simply shit)

mintex should be renamed to MINT (for they do the job they are supposed to do)

Nah Mintex - costafortunex

And on that bombshell im oot !!!!

5th November 2007, 20:56

sorry, but i totally disagree.

I have ebc green stuff pads and ebc discs all round and the car stops so much faster and there way sharper than the standard brakes!

I never get brake fade with them, personally i think you must be driving like a totally idiot to fry any brakes in only 8 miles - ever heard of using your gears!

Take an advanced driving course and that'l tell you how to "thrash" back roads properly and safely without hammering your brakes onat every corner, you'll save yourself a fortune on pads too lol.

Mine make no noise either and i dont have a problem with brake dust, as i've herd people saying that they can be noisy and messy.

Personally i think there great and i'll be sticking to them!

sorry rant over!

5th November 2007, 21:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottyvtr

LOL ! you really pay over the odds for those pads 47 wrappers ftw just seen in a magazine Disco 1 mintex pads £13.98p omfg you right get what you pay for !!!!!!!!

Why do they cost so much for a wee tiny car

4 pots?

i wouldnt let them anywhere near my car tbh

5th November 2007, 21:13

maybe its something to do with greenstuff pads should be used with the ebc disks for full performance from them?

mintex all the way though, swear by em tbh

5th November 2007, 21:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by smiith

maybe its something to do with greenstuff pads should be used with the ebc disks for full performance from them?

Finally, someone talking some sence!! Thank god!

Anyone who knows what there talking about would tell you that greenstuff pads are too tuff to use with standard discs.
There specially made to work along side the discs, it even tells you that on the discs box!!

But hey its each to their own, i really like the ebc braking systems i haven't tried mintex but dont think i'll be changing from ebc so prob wont. If i change my brakes again it will be for black diamond!!

5th November 2007, 21:23

ive got a set of drilled and grooved ebc discs so mite put them on and try them... how much are the pads to go with them?

5th November 2007, 21:24

Back ones are £38 from motorworld uk online. Only know cos ordered new ones today!!
Front ones are round about £45ish!!

6th November 2007, 15:22

used ebc discs and pads, hence why i say theyre shite.

as have alot of people.

and as for your comment, i do use the gears but when someone pulls out on you you dont think fuck must down shift aswell as brake lol!

new brakes are also cheaper than a new gearbox

6th November 2007, 15:30

True!!!

But you never mentioned anyone pulling out infront of you!! oops lol

Well when people dont pull out infront of you, just use your gears and engine braking and you'll not fry your brakes! lol

We all like different components for our cars so lets call this debate quits eh??

AS LONG AS WE STOP WHO CARES WHAT BRAKES WE USE TO DO IT!!

I often throw an anchor out my window!!!! It beats any brakes!!

6th November 2007, 15:48

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Originally Posted by jul2vtr

AS LONG AS WE STOP WHO CARES WHAT BRAKES WE USE TO DO IT!!

you want to stop. so ebc shouldnt come into the answer then lol!

at the end of the day brakes are what can keep you alive. thats why people ask about them, also why tons of people have given feedback stating how shit ebc are.

8th November 2007, 15:02

the neg rep was removed btw

you dont know more than me