1.1 Improvements (Experts Needed)

  1. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2006 West Sussex Posts: 5769 Passat Oil Burner
    #1
    Is there a fairly simply way to make an SPI into a MPI? (changing the inlet etc) Also could you fit wilder cams to a 1.1? Just some silly thoughts lol.
  2. Established Member Joined: Oct 2006 St.andrews Posts: 2193 51 desire Vt Kit,2001 Focus Soon To Be RS Repilca
    #2
    lol tbh i like your thought but easier and cheap to put a vtr lump in.
  3. Saxperience Addict Joined: May 2006 Costa del Wales Posts: 12393 Spam Wagon
    #3
    as john says vtr lump
  4. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2006 West Sussex Posts: 5769 Passat Oil Burner
    #4
    Was only an idea just thought if the scrappy had a VTR i could take the inlet swap it and change cams to something i little better than standard 1.1. Could you fit a 1.4/1.6 cam in a 1.1?
  5. Established Member Joined: Sep 2007 Bolton Posts: 1300 Mauritius blue VTR
    #5
    dunno if it would be possible to do what your suggesting but i'd bet it'd be more straight forward just to put a vtr engine in it... a lot less work would need to be done
  6. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2006 West Sussex Posts: 5769 Passat Oil Burner
    #6
    Just thinking of small improvments an not looking to spend a few hundred for a new motor and then up insurance hugely plus havent got anywhere or anyone to change engine.
  7. Established Member Joined: Sep 2007 Bolton Posts: 1300 Mauritius blue VTR
    #7
    camming a 1.1 and doing the inlet etc would cost you a few hundred on insurance i bet
  8. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2006 West Sussex Posts: 5769 Passat Oil Burner
    #8
    Cost more to insure and fit a VTR engine then it would to just cam and change inlet on the 1.1 wouldnt it?
  9. Established Member Joined: Sep 2007 Bolton Posts: 1300 Mauritius blue VTR
    #9
    tbh mate i really dont know

    i pay just under a grand on a vtr and im 19

    you'd just have to ring up and check i guess
  10. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2006 West Sussex Posts: 5769 Passat Oil Burner
    #10
    Oh right no worries i was really just wondering if it can be done lol. Could i use 1.4/1.6 cams and there inlet?
  11. Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 810 2001 VTS
    #11
    Be cheaper to buy a proper VTR and insure that. If you can't afford to do that then don't bother. Save the money for something else.

    Even if a 1.4/1.6 inlet and cams do fit, the gain on a 1.1 is really going to be minimal. I don't know the specifics of these engines to say if they will or won't fit but even if they did, it probably wouldn't be worth the hassle.
  12. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2006 West Sussex Posts: 5769 Passat Oil Burner
    #12
    Never mind just a thought really. Thought it would make it a little more nippy and bit more fun never mind eh.
  13. Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2007 Essex Posts: 189 mk1 Saxo VTS
    #13
    as far as i can work out mate the 1.4/6 cams wont work in the 1.1
    the engine/management will not be able to handle the setup the new cams would provide. this will also go to the inlet as well.

    if they did fit you would need a new management setup costing you aroun £500 for installation and setup.

    you would be cheaper buying a new car like VTR standard rather then putting an engine or anything else in it.
  14. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2006 West Sussex Posts: 5769 Passat Oil Burner
    #14
    Cheers for the info. Worth a thought they eh.
  15. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2007 Powys Posts: 15348 Icelandtic Grey Citroen Saxo VTS 53 Turbo
    #15
    would be better putting a vtr lump in or getting a vtr mate
  16. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2006 West Sussex Posts: 5769 Passat Oil Burner
    #16
    Anyone know how much a VTR lump would cost and what else would be needed, Unlocked ECU, Gearbox, driveshafts, brakes. Anything else thats got to be more expensive than a VTR itself?
  17. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2007 Powys Posts: 15348 Icelandtic Grey Citroen Saxo VTS 53 Turbo
    #17
    here's a link for you what you will need basically the same as a vts conversion http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58507
  18. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2006 West Sussex Posts: 5769 Passat Oil Burner
    #18
    Think im just guna get a new car or fix up the damage on mine. Dont know what i want really. Really like saxo's but they just always go wrong lol Like the Corsa VXR but way too expensive. Just guna keep the 1.1 all my life lol. Thought adding cams would give me a change thats all never mind! lol
  19. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Bangor Posts: 818 Furio, 300+BHP EP82, zx6RR Ninja
    #19
    Well if your happy with your car and want to be different what the hell, go all out on your 1.1 you might as well! Just make sure that you keep it labelled as a 1.1 lol smoke some ass!
  20. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2006 West Sussex Posts: 5769 Passat Oil Burner
    #20
    Cheers i would only do it as i cant aford to insure anything else prices are ridiculous tbh! Anyone know what would fit or can be changed on the 1.1?
  21. Saxperience Addict Joined: Sep 2006 Bridgend, South Wales Posts: 11234 iTB 205 Rallye, 205 STDT.
    #21
    Wouldn't waste the time or money tbh mate..

    just my opinion though.

    Just use the 1.1 to keep insurance down until you can afford to insure something with more power..

    you time and money at the end of the day though
  22. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2006 West Sussex Posts: 5769 Passat Oil Burner
    #22
    Anything constructive would much be appreciated, i understand everyones comments but would like to add something to it while i still have it. even if its small just to give it back some power as im sure most of its 60horses have been lost.
  23. Established Member Joined: May 2007 My House in Burton on trent near derby Posts: 1025 Saxo 1.1 96 Saxo VTR 2000
    #23
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gavcollier View Post
    as john says vtr lump
    totally agree mate more trouble then it is worth vtr/s covert it
  24. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2006 West Sussex Posts: 5769 Passat Oil Burner
    #24
    Like i said understand peoples thought but does anyone know if anything like that is at all possible??
  25. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi
    #25
    1.3 S1 rallye engine ftw!

    mpi conversion basically everything from a 2003 1.1 saxo top end swap over etc

    to much hassle dont do it!!
  26. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2006 West Sussex Posts: 5769 Passat Oil Burner
    #26
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush View Post
    1.3 S1 rallye engine ftw!

    mpi conversion basically everything from a 2003 1.1 saxo top end swap over etc

    to much hassle dont do it!!
    I take it the inlet couldnt be changed without it being a MPI? What about different cams? Surely there has to be something kicking around that'll fit.
  27. Saxperience Addict Joined: Sep 2006 Bridgend, South Wales Posts: 11234 iTB 205 Rallye, 205 STDT.
    #27
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush View Post
    1.3 S1 rallye engine ftw!

    mpi conversion basically everything from a 2003 1.1 saxo top end swap over etc

    to much hassle dont do it!!
    100% agree!
  28. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi
    #28
    inlet cant be changed totally different port spacings etc

    S1 rallye engine ftw sounds like baby tbs does 40mpg and goes quite well cheap road tax to!!
  29. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2006 West Sussex Posts: 5769 Passat Oil Burner
    #29
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush View Post
    inlet cant be changed totally different port spacings etc

    S1 rallye engine ftw sounds like baby tbs does 40mpg and goes quite well cheap road tax to!!
    Confused lol. Didnt want to change engine as it is a lot of work and havent got the space to do it or the money tbh, just thought i may be able to pick up a cam from a 1.4 or something at the breakers.
  30. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 Posts: 4857
    #30
    "is there a fairly simply way to make an SPI into a MPI?"

    Yes, swap the hole engine, loom and ecu.

    "Also could you fit wilder cams to a 1.1?"

    Yes there are many cams from people such as Kent and piper that can be used.
  31. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2006 West Sussex Posts: 5769 Passat Oil Burner
    #31
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AXracing View Post
    "is there a fairly simply way to make an SPI into a MPI?"

    Yes, swap the hole engine, loom and ecu.

    "Also could you fit wilder cams to a 1.1?"

    Yes there are many cams from people such as Kent and piper that can be used.
    The second option sounds better to me lol Anyone got any links or prices also what would be needed? If anything else needs changing?
  32. Frequent Poster Joined: May 2006 Posts: 691 Mk 1 VTS poseidon blue
    #32
    tbh I wouldn’t bother modifying the 1.1 at all performance wise especially on a budget you won’t notice any gains imo… just put the money into better brakes suspension and wheels/tyres
  33. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2006 West Sussex Posts: 5769 Passat Oil Burner
    #33
    Cheers i think ill just sort out the bonnet and wing and leave as is then. I think i might get a VTR next year sometime and then Strip and Slag the 1.1 with a VTS engine.
  34. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi
    #34
    now thst better idea
  35. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2007 Sussex Posts: 3891 2x 106 GTi
    #35
    If you want it to go faster strip it out I'd either have a VTR engine put in or wait until I could afford to buy a VTR I wouldn't bother trying to cam a 1.1 tbh as it would be expensive and you wouldn't gain much in the way of power plus cams would put your 1.1 engine under a lot more pressure and might make it less reliable.
  36. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2006 West Sussex Posts: 5769 Passat Oil Burner
    #36
    It suscks probably got to wait a few years till i can afford to insure one! Sucks to be me. Only wanted a small gain to be honest but never mind. Good things come to those who wait.....................




    ...... What a load of sh*t! lol