Is my engine conversion worth it?

  1. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Sep 2007 Jail - Whitby Posts: 15034 520bhp Honda Jazz
    #1
    rite, atm i have a VTR... V reg, with the 90bhp silvertop engine in... it has 85k on it, and no service history that i know of, apart from me servicing it myself since iv had it....

    i also have a 03 plate VTR which i rolled, but the engine still works on it, and it has 25k on the clock, and has a full service history from new....

    only mods to the engine so far is a stainless manifold...

    would it be worth me puttin the 03 plate engine into the V reg car, if i am goin to do such things as cams? then i know the engine has been looked after, has few miles on it, and is a good 4 years newer??

    just thinkin, coz my mum and dad say they will chip together to buy me a cam kit for my birthday, and i dont wana put them on the engine thats in the car now if it aint gona last long.

    Help and opinions much welcome
  2. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Sep 2007 Jail - Whitby Posts: 15034 520bhp Honda Jazz
    #2
    oh and also, will the digital dials, with the digal milage and such from the 03 plate go into the V reg?? so it says im back on 25k?? like the white dials so much more
  3. Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 373 Carbon'd Vts Pulsar GTI-R
    #3
    From my personal exp' just buy a quicker car than tuning saxos...
  4. Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Kidderminster, Worcestershire Posts: 239 Black MK2 VTS
    #4
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mrtuck16v View Post
    From my personal exp' just buy a quicker car than tuning saxos...
    YEH AWESOME!
  5. Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 373 Carbon'd Vts Pulsar GTI-R
    #5
    ???????
  6. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Sep 2007 Jail - Whitby Posts: 15034 520bhp Honda Jazz
    #6
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mrtuck16v View Post
    From my personal exp' just buy a quicker car than tuning saxos...
    id rather have my saxo tbh.

    thats like saying why tune an evo when you can buy a lambo?

    its not because of the power alot of people buy saxos. its because of the looks, and tbh, alot of tuned saxos are pretty damn fast, and iv been taught to work with what youve got....

    not get rid of what youve got to start again
  7. Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 373 Carbon'd Vts Pulsar GTI-R
    #7
    So why not just get a 16v engine?
  8. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2005 Coventry Posts: 17782 Fiesta ST150
    #8
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mrtuck16v View Post
    So why not just get a 16v engine?
    because he allready has a VTR engine to hand
  9. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2005 MaDchester Posts: 8432 Vts
    #9
    if u have the engine already there then id say yea GO for it, but if u can insure a vts conversion id say do that as itll be alot less money and hassle.

    sell the newer engine and maybe old engine? and use it to buy a vts engine...
  10. Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 373 Carbon'd Vts Pulsar GTI-R
    #10
    But surely if you sell both engines and save the money off the cam kit and remap thats needed...you could buy a mint S engine.
  11. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Sep 2007 Jail - Whitby Posts: 15034 520bhp Honda Jazz
    #11
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by b0t13 View Post
    if u have the engine already there then id say yea GO for it, but if u can insure a vts conversion id say do that as itll be alot less money and hassle.

    sell the newer engine and maybe old engine? and use it to buy a vts engine...
    im only 18 with a years no claims, insurance on a vts is still abit out of range tbh, have to insure my cars full comp around here, alot of cunts who think they are 10 men when they are with mates n find it funny to trash cars.... i keep mine in a garage, but when im in town and leave it in a carpark or something...

    but i have the vtr engine to hand, so was wondering how much it would cost to get the engines swapped?

    since im providing the engine??

    my mate got a vtr put in his quicksilver in a day?
  12. Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2006 Frome, down deepest, darkest zummerset Posts: 12971 VTRallye
    #12
    if it was me id do it.
  13. Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 373 Carbon'd Vts Pulsar GTI-R
    #13
    Check your insurance quote after uve told them about the cam and remap...
  14. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Sep 2007 Jail - Whitby Posts: 15034 520bhp Honda Jazz
    #14
    check my insurance quote then i dont tell them about the cams and the remap
  15. Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2006 Frome, down deepest, darkest zummerset Posts: 12971 VTRallye
    #15
    or just dont tell them....if you crash take cam out put old one in
  16. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Sep 2007 Jail - Whitby Posts: 15034 520bhp Honda Jazz
    #16
    id rather tune a low milage engine with service history, then a old engine with over 80k on with no service history upto the past 4 months...

    so anyone know the cost of swapping a engine?
  17. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Sep 2007 Jail - Whitby Posts: 15034 520bhp Honda Jazz
    #17
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by frankie640 View Post
    or just dont tell them....if you crash take cam out put old one in
    exatly, if i crash, i can say "well i know fuck all about engines, how do i know if its been modified, i only know how to fill water and oil :/"
  18. Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 373 Carbon'd Vts Pulsar GTI-R
    #18
    Price on engine swap should be about 300 to 400 quid i reckon from a ok garage. Try it yourself...its not that hard tbh.
  19. Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2006 Frome, down deepest, darkest zummerset Posts: 12971 VTRallye
    #19
    thats how i feel mate.
  20. Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2006 Frome, down deepest, darkest zummerset Posts: 12971 VTRallye
    #20
    DIY it wont be to hard...if your mechanically (sp) minded
  21. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Sep 2007 Jail - Whitby Posts: 15034 520bhp Honda Jazz
    #21
    if i could do it myself, i would, but it would have to be a weekend job as i need my car for work... so if i couldnt get it all done by monday, id be fecked
  22. Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 373 Carbon'd Vts Pulsar GTI-R
    #22
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by smiith View Post
    exatly, if i crash, i can say "well i know fuck all about engines, how do i know if its been modified, i only know how to fill water and oil :/"
    mmm and your insurance company will say GTF!
  23. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Sep 2007 Jail - Whitby Posts: 15034 520bhp Honda Jazz
    #23
    i dont know about DIYing it, coz if i fook it up, im boloxed tbh
  24. Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2006 Frome, down deepest, darkest zummerset Posts: 12971 VTRallye
    #24
    GTF?

    it could be done ina weekend, get some mates le mans 24 hour pit crew.
  25. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2005 Coventry Posts: 17782 Fiesta ST150
    #25
    get the fuck lol insurance will try to screw you into not paying for anything possible
  26. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Sep 2007 Jail - Whitby Posts: 15034 520bhp Honda Jazz
    #26
    meh dont care about insurance atm, il bribe them later :d just wana know about swapping the engines....

    would i be better off doing the gearbox at the same time then?? since that has done less miles allong with the engine?
  27. Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2006 Frome, down deepest, darkest zummerset Posts: 12971 VTRallye
    #27
    yea may aswell.

    before trax me and my mate changed the gearbox.
  28. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Sep 2007 Jail - Whitby Posts: 15034 520bhp Honda Jazz
    #28
    yeh, im gna ring round see what it will cost, and see which outa my mates think they could do it and how much they would want backhanding...

    btw baz... just looked at your prog thread, your car looks awsome
  29. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2005 Coventry Posts: 17782 Fiesta ST150
    #29
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by smiith View Post
    yeh, im gna ring round see what it will cost, and see which outa my mates think they could do it and how much they would want backhanding...

    btw baz... just looked at your prog thread, your car looks awsome
    cheers mate, its getting there, just needs tidying up!
  30. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Sep 2007 Jail - Whitby Posts: 15034 520bhp Honda Jazz
    #30
    same, think for yorkshire meet i might have to crack the polish out
  31. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2005 Coventry Posts: 17782 Fiesta ST150
    #31
    whats polish? lol
  32. Established Member Joined: Aug 2007 gwent Posts: 1322 2010 white focus RS, Corsa D 1.3 cdti sxi.
    #32
    i'd say its 100% worth it, even if you dont cam it etc, your giving your car a whole new life span & saving on maintenance etc...plus if you keep all paper work the car's value is bound to raise with uber low mileage like that...p.s iirc you CAN'T change analog to digi clocks because of wiring system
  33. Established Member Joined: Aug 2007 South Wales Posts: 2076 Saxoless
    #33
    accidentally drop a VTS engine in there!
  34. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS
    #34
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mrtuck16v View Post
    From my personal exp' just buy a quicker car than tuning saxos...
    Like what?

    A pulsar..
  35. Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2006 Solihull Posts: 798 RX8 231
    #35
    Insurance will, generally speaking, only care about what they can see - induction kits, exhausts. They aint guna check for cams

    Anyway, in my personal experience, you have to be unlucky to have a claim turned down. A lot of peolpe on here jump on the bandwagon, and yes it has happened that peolpes insurance have refused to pay out, but it is rarer than people on here believe.
  36. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2005 W.Yorks/W.Sussex Posts: 3982 MK1 VTS
    #36
    TBH it's another VTR engine so they don't reeeeeally need too know. It's not like you're putting in a 'S' engine and still insuring it as a VTR.

    It's a bit iffy if you have the 98BHP engine but if you've got a fresher 90BHP one then get it in mate!
  37. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Sep 2007 Jail - Whitby Posts: 15034 520bhp Honda Jazz
    #37
    no, the 98bhp engine is the newer one

    newer engine in older car

    and wont the digi clocks go in if i have all the wiring from the other car??

    i know i need the ecu to swap em
  38. Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 ashford Posts: 196
    #38
    will need to change the whole loom, wont be hard to do if you have both cars there though
  39. Established Member Joined: Nov 2006 ower ere Posts: 1282 shitroen spaxo vts
    #39
    i could do it all for you fella, engine swap or engine and box or engine, box and loom and clocks.
  40. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Sep 2007 Jail - Whitby Posts: 15034 520bhp Honda Jazz
    #40
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by RICKYP-RPM View Post
    i could do it all for you fella, engine swap or engine and box or engine, box and loom and clocks.
    how much?? and where would i have to get the car and engine to??

    and how long would it take, coz if its a good travel, id have to arrange geting lifts
  41. Established Member Joined: Jun 2007 k-in-a, notts Posts: 1858 bmw 330ci sport !
    #41
    if you change the clocks ect. you will have to let dvla no because it will throw all the emmisons and milage out on your mot wouldnt it ??
    but yeah i would change the engine well worth it
  42. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Sep 2007 Jail - Whitby Posts: 15034 520bhp Honda Jazz
    #42
    yeh, il just ring dvla and tell em my engine went pop so iv got clocks to match the milage from the car the engine is from.

    what will it do to emmisions though?

    actually, the 2003 is in a diff tax bracket thing.

    90 odd quid to tax the v reg for 6 months, 65 on the 03 plate
  43. Established Member Joined: Nov 2006 ower ere Posts: 1282 shitroen spaxo vts
    #43
    i could do it in a weekend for you no probs. i'm in wakefield west yorkshire but could come collect on a flat back and drop it off after. pm me if you want it doing