0-60 Q

1. possivtr Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 106

   #1 20th November 2007, 20:44

   what will a phase 2 90bhp saxo vtr do 0-60 in any info will be great
2. Coonper Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2007 Coventry Posts: 5182 Lupo GTI

   #2 20th November 2007, 20:46

   In standard form about 9.5ish
3. Ry_B Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2006 Solihull Posts: 798 RX8 231

   #3 20th November 2007, 20:51

   Just under 10 secs.
4. Wayne Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2007 Powys Posts: 15348 Icelandtic Grey Citroen Saxo VTS 53 Turbo

   #4 20th November 2007, 20:55

   here you go mate
   
   Citroen Saxo 1.6 8v VTR
   (1997-2003)
   
   FUEL TYPE: petrol (gasoline)
   ENGINE CAPACITY: 1587cc
   CYLINDERS: In-line 4
   VALVES: 8
   POWER: 100bhp
   TORQUE: 100 lb-ft
   DRIVEN WHEELS: front (FWD)
   STANDARD TRANSMISSION: 5-speed manual
   OPTIONAL TRANSMISSION: none
   BODY STYLES: 3-door hatchback
   SEATING CAPACITY: 4
   
   MAXIMUM SPEED: 120mph
   0-60: 9.1 seconds
   AVERAGE FUEL ECONOMY: 42mpg
   
   LENGTH: 3718mm [146.4 in]
   WIDTH: 1595mm [62.8 in]
   HEIGHT: 1360mm [53.5 in]
   WHEELBASE: 2385mm [93.9 in]
   KERB WEIGHT: 920kg [2026lbs]
   
   CO2 EMISSIONS: 159 g/km
   UK INSURANCE GROUP: 7
   EURO NCAP CRASH TEST RATING: 2 stars
   US NCAP (NHTSA) CRASH TEST RATING: not applicable
5. VTR-Chris-VTR Established Member Joined: Jun 2007 Bristol - St George Posts: 2364 Mk2 Saxo VTS

   #5 20th November 2007, 21:00

   Seating capacity 4?
   
   Thought it was 5? lol
6. DevilDamo Saxperience Addict Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 13761

   #6 20th November 2007, 21:02

   saxoboy07... He said a 90bhp VTR. Not a 100bhp one
   
   But no... They will be the same give or take a split second.
7. Wayne Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2007 Powys Posts: 15348 Icelandtic Grey Citroen Saxo VTS 53 Turbo

   #7 20th November 2007, 21:09

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by DevilDamo saxoboy07... He said a 90bhp VTR. Not a 100bhp one But no... They will be the same give or take a split second.

   ah right i got this off a website it says 1997-2003 though i know it ain't right though
8. alextoffie Established Member Joined: Sep 2007 Bolton Posts: 1300 Mauritius blue VTR

   #8 20th November 2007, 21:18

   Think its about 9.9 for the 90bhp one and 9.1 for the 98
9. TU-Tuning Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Bristol Posts: 16575 JP4urio, 306 DTurbo SportShed

   #9 20th November 2007, 21:31

   Wouldnt think it was that much of a difference tbh. The MK1s are supposedly lighter by a fraction, and the MK2 with 98 brake has a more restrictive exhuast system hence the extra power so theyre both gonna be basically the same
10. alextoffie Established Member Joined: Sep 2007 Bolton Posts: 1300 Mauritius blue VTR

    #10 20th November 2007, 21:36

    The figures i put above were from Parkers... just checked them, its defo 9.9s and 9.1s...
11. TU-Tuning Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Bristol Posts: 16575 JP4urio, 306 DTurbo SportShed

    #11 20th November 2007, 21:43

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by alextoffie The figures i put above were from Parkers... just checked them, its defo 9.9s and 9.1s...

    Says it all really parkers are well out. They think that a VTS is over a second quicker than a 106 GTi iirc
12. alextoffie Established Member Joined: Sep 2007 Bolton Posts: 1300 Mauritius blue VTR

    #12 20th November 2007, 21:45

    Most places on the internet say the updated version is slightly quicker, though.
13. Roy-VTS Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2007 Plymouth Posts: 621 S2 ERST

    #13 20th November 2007, 22:39

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ben_Saxo Says it all really parkers are well out. They think that a VTS is over a second quicker than a 106 GTi iirc

    i really wish this was true . . . .
14. VTR-Chris-VTR Established Member Joined: Jun 2007 Bristol - St George Posts: 2364 Mk2 Saxo VTS

    #14 20th November 2007, 23:13

    Yeh ive seen that about the VTS being quicker, i cant see why though same engine
    
    But is it really true?
15. TU-Tuning Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Bristol Posts: 16575 JP4urio, 306 DTurbo SportShed

    #15 20th November 2007, 23:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by VTR-Chris-VTR Yeh ive seen that about the VTS being quicker, i cant see why though same engine But is it really true?

    Nope. Exactly the same
    
    
    
    
    And imo the way the cars been treated, eg serviced properly, not ragged from cold, will have a much bigger difference on how quick it is than whether its the 90/98brake lump anyway
16. SaxoJamie Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2007 Sussex Posts: 3891 2x 106 GTi

    #16 20th November 2007, 23:20

    A standard 90BHP VTR takes just under 10 seconds to 60mph
17. jonezy Established Member Joined: Jul 2007 Carnforth (lancaster) Posts: 1617 55 CTR premier '97 posi vts

    #17 21st November 2007, 11:50

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ben_Saxo Says it all really parkers are well out. They think that a VTS is over a second quicker than a 106 GTi iirc

    
    thats because peugeot tested the GTI with 3 passengers and 50kgs of luggage in the boot. so peugeot deliberatly made it appear slower to drive the insurance down.
    
    gti grp 12 (i think)
    vts grp 14
18. Ste Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Yorkshire Posts: 5415 Saxo

    #18 21st November 2007, 12:58

    GTI is 13 jonezy.
19. Karl Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26

    #19 21st November 2007, 13:01

    yeah group 13.
20. jonny13_vtr Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2007 belfast Posts: 264 IMPREZA WRX

    #20 21st November 2007, 13:20

    the vts is quicker than i 106 gti. Theres a differnt gearbox in them. From what ive been told the gti will not do 60 in second gear
21. albinodub Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2007 Llantrisant (WAL) or Levignac (FRA) Posts: 321 1996 Golf GTI 16vG60

    #21 21st November 2007, 17:27

    so a vts does 60 in 2nd? (gps verified)
22. albinodub Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2007 Llantrisant (WAL) or Levignac (FRA) Posts: 321 1996 Golf GTI 16vG60

    #22 21st November 2007, 17:29

    ah crap.... how the hell do you edit your previous posts?????
    
    try evo magazine for proper times, they have the tried and tested methods in bold numbers and factory "claims" in normal text
23. GroomGTI Established Member Joined: Oct 2007 Yorkshire. Posts: 1748 White 106 Gti

    #23 21st November 2007, 17:36

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by albinodub so a vts does 60 in 2nd? (gps verified)

    a vtr can do 60 in second
24. VTR-Chris-VTR Established Member Joined: Jun 2007 Bristol - St George Posts: 2364 Mk2 Saxo VTS

    #24 21st November 2007, 17:43

    a vts can do about 65mph in 2nd im sure
25. VTS123 Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Poole, Dorset Posts: 447 Mk1 VTS

    #25 22nd November 2007, 10:20

    This has come up many times before but a VTR can't reach 60 in 2nd despite the speedo saying otherwise. The VTS can do 60 in 2nd
26. Karl Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26

    #26 22nd November 2007, 10:31

    On a Standard VTS limiter (7,250 RPM)
    with a VTS gearbox.
    a VTS will do 62mph in 2nd gear.
    
    a VTR on a standard VTR limiter,
    with a Standard VTR box,
    will fall short of 60 in 2nd gear.
    
    
    That is all.
27. Quick Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2003 United Kingdom (England) Posts: 7064

    #27 22nd November 2007, 11:48

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jonny13_vtr the vts is quicker than i 106 gti. Theres a differnt gearbox in them. From what ive been told the gti will not do 60 in second gear

    Nope Vts & Gti same gearbox! Same Engine, Same rev limiter so both do a true 60 in 2nd gear!
28. Karl Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26

    #28 22nd November 2007, 11:53

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Quick Nope Vts & Gti same gearbox! Same Engine, Same rev limiter so both do a true 60 in 2nd gear!

    Absolutely correct.
    
    62mph to be precise
29. NickB Established Member Joined: Feb 2006 Chester Posts: 1356 none!

    #29 22nd November 2007, 12:10

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Soulless On a Standard VTS limiter (7,250 RPM) with a VTS gearbox. a VTS will do 62mph in 2nd gear. a VTR on a standard VTR limiter, with a Standard VTR box, will fall short of 60 in 2nd gear. That is all.

    im glad people keep it simple these days! this arguement will never stop i dont think LoL
    
    Good post
30. jonezy Established Member Joined: Jul 2007 Carnforth (lancaster) Posts: 1617 55 CTR premier '97 posi vts

    #30 22nd November 2007, 14:56

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ste GTI is 13 jonezy.

    somewhere round there, bu tthat is why the GTI appears slower than a vts on paper.
31. Karl Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26

    #31 22nd November 2007, 15:45

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NickB im glad people keep it simple these days! this arguement will never stop i dont think LoL Good post

    people that argue that a completely standard VTR out of the factory can do 60 in 2nd gear, they believe their dials far far too much..
32. jonny13_vtr Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2007 belfast Posts: 264 IMPREZA WRX

    #32 22nd November 2007, 17:08

    im nearly sure that the gti has different gear ratio's compared to the vts
33. Simpson_Sax Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2006 Dunfermline, Scotland Posts: 185 Black Mk2 VTR

    #33 22nd November 2007, 17:21

    lol. Depends on all sorts, road conditions, if the cars been very well kept, the driver of the particular car etc.
    Arguement could go on lol.
    Parkers say 9.1 for the vtr. I'd say thats correct but depending how well you keep your car it'll be better. Roughy i have averaged 8.5 for mine over the past few months but all depends ... i could be wrong lol
34. Coonper Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2007 Coventry Posts: 5182 Lupo GTI

    #34 22nd November 2007, 17:29

    Whats the ratio of bhp to 0 to 60, if that makes sense...??
    
    I.e. standard car; 9.1secs
    performace zorst; 8.6secs??
    Enclosed Filter; 8.3secs??
    Decat manifold??
    Cams??
    Remap??
    
    
    How much difference would it actually make to 0 to 60 times with different mods??
35. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #35 23rd November 2007, 11:10

    parkers guide is the place to search stop being lazy!
    
    as this has allready started filling with shite its being locked.