omex ecu info! toad;)

21st November 2007, 13:15

bit of a thread aimed for mainly toad and rushy or anyone looking into omex!

Been speaking with des developments about fitting the omex to my car and the price is this

ecu = £846
fitting = £317
mapping = £212

all of those prices include the VAT.

also asked him about the dash dials and apprently hes never had any issues with them and cant see why there would be a problem

hope this helps

21st November 2007, 13:26

Single plug ecu?

21st November 2007, 13:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dibz

Single plug ecu?

either doesnt matter coz they have to hardwire it in

21st November 2007, 13:45

Hmm! sounds good.

21st November 2007, 13:50

I was playing around with my ecu (Omex 600) the other day on the computer and i cant rave enough about how good they are!! Anything can be altered in a matter of seconds

21st November 2007, 13:57

Quote:

also asked him about the dash dials and apprently hes never had any issues with them and cant see why there would be a problem

Loved to know were that came from. never ever ever ever heard about the dials not working with a OMEX/KMS/EMERALD etc

Sounds really good those prices

Defo worth getting Sam/Toad/Rushy

21st November 2007, 14:02

Quote:

Defo worth getting Sam/Toad/RUSHY!

Cheecky phoocker. Nice one Sam, was supposed to get round to ringing them
but totally forgot.

I They have sent me some quotes for various setups. Bodies will cost, plus the
VAT rapes you hard! But they have covered all the parts I need in the spec.

They also deal with SD cages btw which is great. The one they have in there
old 205 is exactly what I would want except for the doorbars:

Anyways back topic, cheers for that matey. Gotta run got work!

21st November 2007, 14:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

Loved to know were that came from. never ever ever ever heard about the dials not working with a OMEX/KMS/EMERALD etc

Sounds really good those prices

Defo worth getting Sam/Toad/Rushy

yeh it was something toad wanted to know about so just thort id let him know

21st November 2007, 14:08

Hurry and get it done you lot less talk more of the "DOING" part

21st November 2007, 14:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

Hurry and get it done you lot less talk more of the "DOING" part

will be just after the new year mate

21st November 2007, 14:52

Someone who has all this info now should make a summary of costs for supply, fitting & mapping of these different systems from the various places who have supplied quotes?

I think i may go along the stand alone route too for my cams incase i decide to go further in years to come.

21st November 2007, 16:28

Speak to pug1off they did most of mine and it was cheaper i believe!!

21st November 2007, 19:04

£800 seems abit pricey for the omex?

21st November 2007, 20:29

some good info there mate.

i should/want to be going standalone, give me abit more scope for future work etc.

tho that price compared to the emerald system seems abit steep!!

iirc emerald is:-

ecu = 681.50
fitting = i can't remember, but they said they supply a harness (included in the ecu price) which will allow you to connect up yourself (they have 106 and saxo harnesses)
mapping = 275

so abit more on mapping, but can look around for cheaper places, plus on you giving them your car spec, they select a base map for you to use to get to a mapping station.

21st November 2007, 22:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by samcook

bit of a thread aimed for mainly toad and rushy or anyone looking into omex!

Been speaking with des developments about fitting the omex to my car and the price is this

ecu = £846
fitting = £317
mapping = £212

all of those prices include the VAT.

also asked him about the dash dials and apprently hes never had any issues with them and cant see why there would be a problem

hope this helps

Wll done on the

work my good man.

You are to be congratulated. It's about time we got some prices up for the work required.

On a bad note, according to my calculations, that comes to a whopping £1375! Not cheap by anyone's standards. I'm still waiting for Kam to come back to me with a price for KMS parts. Once I've got some info on that, I'll spread the word.

21st November 2007, 22:15

Awesome, im gettin a pay rise in the new year & it will be backdated 6months (which ill get as a lump sum

) Gonna try scrounge some tax back from the old 'revenue too so i'd be up for some kinda group effort if we can get a nice deal sorted out

21st November 2007, 22:30

Every little helps!

21st November 2007, 22:46

Found the omex 600 on ebay for £550..? brand new.

21st November 2007, 22:48

That price from Sam (specifically for the ECU) may very well include the loom also.

21st November 2007, 22:56

Yea i rekon that is the difference, the one im looking at says it comes with its own 36 pin adapter.

21st November 2007, 23:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

Hurry and get it done you lot less talk more of the "DOING" part

Wouldnt count on my engine being touched until late summer now. Moving house
is on the cards fo sho!

21st November 2007, 23:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeeves_101

some good info there mate.

i should/want to be going standalone, give me abit more scope for future work etc.

tho that price compared to the emerald system seems abit steep!!

iirc emerald is:-

ecu = 681.50
fitting = i can't remember, but they said they supply a harness (included in the ecu price) which will allow you to connect up yourself (they have 106 and saxo harnesses)
mapping = 275

.

ermerald is more than that mate, spoke to them about it a few weeks back and the ecu with all wires connectors etc + vat is more than 680
got all the prices on my computer at work will post them up tomorrow

21st November 2007, 23:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toad

Wll done on the

work my good man.

You are to be congratulated. It's about time we got some prices up for the work required.

On a bad note, according to my calculations, that comes to a whopping £1375! Not cheap by anyone's standards. I'm still waiting for Kam to come back to me with a price for KMS parts. Once I've got some info on that, I'll spread the word.

is quite expensive but nothing compared to the £1628 gmc quoted me to supply fit and map kms! and travelling to DD isnt a problem plus if rushy sings there praises they must be good lol

price i was given for kms was £915 for ecu, ignition amplifier, and wideband/display

22nd November 2007, 09:45

samcook - i'm just going by the prices i was given by emereald, that they gave me?!?!

22nd November 2007, 10:18

Problem with some of the prices is the VAT remember. If it says such a such + VAT.
Then you have to add the VAT on top. The engine spec I was looking at is around
3.5k.... But what I didnt realise is thats not inc VAT. So its more like 4k now

22nd November 2007, 10:21

well the prices i had from emerald included vat, so not sure why they differed from what sam has.

22nd November 2007, 10:28

Well today is now tomorrow so Sam should be at work hunting for that list

22nd November 2007, 12:09

this is the info they gave me for the ermerald ecu
Total cost is -
ECU £580
Air Temp Sensor £12.50
Shipping & Insurance £12.50 - by DHL
£605 + VAT @ 17.5% = £710.88
you will also require wires and connectors at an extra cost
If you are handy with a soldering iron you should be able to change the loom-plug. We give you a manual & wiring diagram with the ECU so it's mostly common sense following the wires and matching up your sensors etc. with the pinouts.
Lead time is usually 7-10 days from ordering.
best regards
Leoni

also the mapping for the emrald is £275+vat which £323 with the vat added

and thts without having it fitted, so doesnt work out any cheaper

22nd November 2007, 14:38

I got my ecu from www.hiflowheads.co.uk paid £550 for the ecu, they do a deal with the boddies supplied aswell, i believed it was £2k all in for parts inc vat

22nd November 2007, 21:02

Think the Omex and Jenveys come to a tad over 2k inc VAT from DD.

Pug1off do a basic bodies setup for £2250. Think they use Jenveys and Emerald.

22nd November 2007, 23:50

Well they used omex on my rushy!!

22nd November 2007, 23:52

Cool, they mentioned Emerald in the quotes I had. Maybe I requested it
back then. Was some time ago.

As you know about this kind of stuff mate. If I was just to go for the Omex
and the bodies now to cut initial costs. It wouldnt cause me any issues would it?

I know cams work well with the bodies, but I cant stretch that far at the moment
you see. My supersprint would be fitted then too as well as an oil cooler and
catch tank.

Sorry to threadjack.

23rd November 2007, 09:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by rushy_23

Cool, they mentioned Emerald in the quotes I had. Maybe I requested it
back then. Was some time ago.

As you know about this kind of stuff mate. If I was just to go for the Omex
and the bodies now to cut initial costs. It wouldnt cause me any issues would it?

I know cams work well with the bodies, but I cant stretch that far at the moment
you see. My supersprint would be fitted then too as well as an oil cooler and
catch tank.

Sorry to threadjack.

why dont you just go omex and cams? then when youve got the cash get the bodies, surely that would make more sense............well its what im doing

23rd November 2007, 11:09

Save up and do it all at once.

Rush, you don't need an oil cooler IMO.

23rd November 2007, 11:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toad

Save up and do it all at once.

Rush, you don't need an oil cooler IMO.

I cant mate.
Why wouldnt I need an oil cooler? Its just part of the final spec for the time
being.

Getting that and the catch tank leaves me just to get the headwork and cams
done at a later date.

23rd November 2007, 12:45

To be honest doing it like that will all end up being more expensive, you will have to get the ecu mapped twice etc....

23rd November 2007, 13:04

I just don't think you need an oil cooler mate. I doubt you would get the oil so hot that it would require cooling. Plus, cold oil is obviously a bad thing.

Why can't you do everything in one sitting? What's the hurry to get half done?

23rd November 2007, 20:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtr130

To be honest doing it like that will all end up being more expensive, you will have to get the ecu mapped twice etc....

Will remain on just bodies for a long long time. Then will get lots of headwork
done at a later date. Talking prob over a year later like.

I know people wont agree with it, but Im just going to do it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toad

I just don't think you need an oil cooler mate. I doubt you would get the oil so hot that it would require cooling. Plus, cold oil is obviously a bad thing.

Why can't you do everything in one sitting? What's the hurry to get half done?

Thought oil coolers would be a useful tool while tracking the car? No hurry really
but I can only budget for around £3k which is what bodies cost inc VAT. I was
let to think that was the price in headwork but forgot about VAT.

Bottom line, Im a twat.

23rd November 2007, 20:11

Well maybe you could buy ryans engine?? Or someone who may be selling theres??

But otherwise you will need the ecu to run the boddies?

23rd November 2007, 21:12

Yup looking at the Omex and Jenveys. Inc VAT, mapping and fitting will be close
th 3k..

24th November 2007, 02:39

I can tell you really want bodies, do you want me 2 speak to true tec for you see if i can get a better price??

24th November 2007, 05:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtr130

I can tell you really want bodies, do you want me 2 speak to true tec for you see if i can get a better price??

It will get done eventually mate, but its just so much easier if I get in done in
2 parts. Can do, what is their quality of work like and location?

DD are literally 5 mins away from my house.

24th November 2007, 10:17

If you absolutely HAVE to get this work done in 2 sittings, then i would advise:

Complete standalone ECU installation
iTBs
Fast road cams - 708s probably being the best choice
Aftermarket exhuast manifold
Get it mapped
I think you have a de-cat exhaust already right? That's it then...

Phase 2 could then consist of:

Flowed, ported, big valve cylinder head
New valve springs (Slightly stronger ones if they exist?)
Get it mapped / tweaked
And that's that I think. What do you think?

24th November 2007, 16:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toad

If you absolutely HAVE to get this work done in 2 sittings, then i would advise:

Complete standalone ECU installation
iTBs
Fast road cams - 708s probably being the best choice
Aftermarket exhuast manifold
Get it mapped
I think you have a de-cat exhaust already right? That's it then...

Phase 2 could then consist of:

Flowed, ported, big valve cylinder head
New valve springs (Slightly stronger ones if they exist?)
Get it mapped / tweaked
And that's that I think. What do you think?

In an idea world mate that would be perfect. But Im moving out as soon as
next week at this rate. I want to see what the bodies will be like alone. Plus
that way Im at a good point where I can walk in 1 year later and say right,
get some cams in and get the headwork done.

Manifold would go on with the bodies (collecting the manifold soon). Yup tis
decatted. See if I just fit cams in I will need an induction kit most likely which
I cant be arsed with if I will be getting rid later on.

I know is sounds daft. But Im just gonna try it and see...

24th November 2007, 17:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by rushy_23

It will get done eventually mate, but its just so much easier if I get in done in
2 parts. Can do, what is their quality of work like and location?

DD are literally 5 mins away from my house.

Well they built my engine and they are cheap mate, i will give them a ring on monday and see what they say

25th November 2007, 22:33

Sorry bud, but the performance camshafts are a key element in the setup here. Without them, there's really very little point in doing the work. Why don't you wait until you have enough money? What's the rush Rush?

7th January 2008, 23:34

ANy more info and prices that anyone has?

Ive been thinking about an Omex ECU but im proper limited. Cant afford to pay more than £800 for ECU and mapping which is a b*llock ache, but thats my limit no matter how long anyone might say to save some more.

For me to save any more than that it would be another year before i could get the engine fitted.

As much help and advice needed please

7th January 2008, 23:41

megasquirt?

7th January 2008, 23:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

megasquirt?

Come again?

7th January 2008, 23:48

you thought about using a megasquirt ecu?

7th January 2008, 23:48

http://www.megasquirt.info/

7th January 2008, 23:54

Cheers for the link williams, however all this technical malarky is well out of my range of knowledge/understanding, been reading up on bits and bobs for ages and sill sees like gobble-de-gook

In an ideal world plug in and play would be great, never that easy though.

Its a single plug engine/loom aswel so as i understand this ECU business should be much easier with that rather than the 3 plug scenario

7th January 2008, 23:56

well, megasquirts ou build and map yourself

proper DIY modding. there are some people that will build and map them for you though. very cheap aswell.

8th January 2008, 00:04

Scary thought, me and electrics have never mixed to date. i will look into it though.

Im more of a hands on, get greasy and gimme a spanner type of modder usually

8th January 2008, 00:58

I'm going KMS for everything Willsy.

8th January 2008, 01:00

What quotes have you had for KMS Toad and where abouts? Im not fussed in the slightest about the wideband display so basic ECU and mapping is/would be sufficient

8th January 2008, 12:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by samcook

bit of a thread aimed for mainly toad and rushy or anyone looking into omex!

Been speaking with des developments about fitting the omex to my car and the price is this

ecu = £846
fitting = £317
mapping = £212

all of those prices include the VAT.

also asked him about the dash dials and apprently hes never had any issues with them and cant see why there would be a problem

hope this helps

EXSPENSIVE!

8th January 2008, 12:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by willsy

What quotes have you had for KMS Toad and where abouts? Im not fussed in the slightest about the wideband display so basic ECU and mapping is/would be sufficient

I'll have to take a look through some old Emails mate. QEP offer the KMS package at exactly the same price as GMC. I haven't had an exact quote from GMC about how much the installation and mapping would be.

IIRC, the quote for all the KMS parts to carry our the TB conversion, which includes: DTH TBs, air horns, linkages, KMS ECU and Wideband display, TPS, loom, and bigger injectors, came to £2000 after VAT.

8th January 2008, 13:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

http://www.megasquirt.info/

Excellent ECU's

We use these

8th January 2008, 13:27

Nice to see this threads still going, im still about 80% convinced to go with standalone & my bonus will be arriving any day now

Someone was selling a full KMS kit on SSC for £750 i think Toad, think they were selling iTBs too. Sybez has put his quaiffe box up for sale too... decisions decisions

8th January 2008, 13:30

I think I'm going to be getting everything new... Thanks for tipoff though mate.

8th January 2008, 13:34

I'd always prefer to buy new too but im quite tempted by the gearbox. I still cant decide on management though & im thinking about trying to have everything setup & runing at easter, certainly before the summer.

Got a mate with a redtop corsa who wants to prove its a better track car than a saxo, so i dont fancy trying it without at least some mapped cams

8th January 2008, 13:45

Haha.

Some semi-slicks and a well set up suspension will get you round the track quicker than the camshafts mate.

8th January 2008, 13:48

Ah he has slicks on his cus he frequents the quarter mile so i said road tyres only to save me some coin. Its just straights im worried about, last time i saw the corsa it was moving pretty sharpish, i imagine it handles like vanessa feltz, hes never been one for suspension & brake setups

His first corsa was lowered on DIY cut springs

8th January 2008, 20:49

Where are u getting the omex from for £800? I can get them for £400 odd

8th January 2008, 22:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mystic

Ah he has slicks on his cus he frequents the quarter mile so i said road tyres only to save me some coin. Its just straights im worried about, last time i saw the corsa it was moving pretty sharpish, i imagine it handles like vanessa feltz, hes never been one for suspension & brake setups

His first corsa was lowered on DIY cut springs

DIY special...

You would be able to have him i reckon

8th January 2008, 22:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matty-VTR

Where are u getting the omex from for £800? I can get them for £400 odd

Where from mate!?

Omex/KMS
KMS is more pricey but what differences for the money?

Which is better...

8th January 2008, 22:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by redbullet07

Where from mate!?

Omex/KMS
KMS is more pricey but what differences for the money?

Which is better...

I get them direct i know the people who designed the ECU, own the company etc but i thought they sold them for around £500 ish? you looking for the 600 series? Omex is a brilliant ECU and very capable, very good value for money. If you want to do it on the cheap then Megasquirt is a decent ECU that could be had for a few hundred.

8th January 2008, 22:36

500? they've gone up by £100...

From everyones whos got Omex i keep hearing how great and easy to use they are

8th January 2008, 22:41

kms ftw.

9th January 2008, 18:14

Well after making another couple of calls today and also speaking to Josh (jpsaxo for those that dont know) i am buying a KMS

Buying it from QEP who said that have absolute confidence in and can supply it all for a good price.

They also confirmed as did Josh that with the adapter loom that can be bought with it that it is as close to plug in and play as can be AND josh said he'll help with the wideband display as he's done it with no problems

The additional bonus is that QEP supply the ECU with a base map suited to your setup i.e cams for no extra charge

this will run pleasantly enough then for me to drive the car and get a few 'run in miles' on the clock before getting it mapped at the prime choice of GMC who also argue that the KMS is brilliant.

9th January 2008, 18:21

matt ive just bought my kms ecu setup how much are you going to pay about?how much do they charge for the adaptor loom?

9th January 2008, 18:33

Approx £400 plus VAT for the ECU. £100 plus VAT for the adapter loom and then Wideband display about £100

9th January 2008, 18:38

How much did you pay for yours Danny?

9th January 2008, 18:38

That an adapter for the 3plug type looms your talking about, i gather it wouldnt be necessary for a single plug?

9th January 2008, 18:43

well i get about 25% off through my work everything kms. that adapter plug is verrry cheap and is that just the display for about £100? or the or the whole wideband lambda system?

9th January 2008, 18:44

no the adapter is for the single plug mystic, it make is plug and play.

9th January 2008, 18:48

QEP quoted me much more for the wideband display... Something like £300 IIRC...

9th January 2008, 18:53

qep quoted me £300 + vat for the widebnd and display

9th January 2008, 18:58

Sounds about right... Willsy said £100!

9th January 2008, 19:01

So for the ECU, adaptor loom % wideband without display im looking at about how much?

You in a position to pass on your 25% discount danny?

9th January 2008, 19:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mystic

So for the ECU, adaptor loom % wideband without display im looking at about how much?

You in a position to pass on your 25% discount danny?

thats debateable at the minute mate.ive got to sort the info out first and speak with my managers.

i think it was about £880 iirc or abouts for that mystic.

9th January 2008, 19:12

for kms with wideband and display, fitted and mapped on a 3plug ecu by gmc, comes to a grand total of £1628 + VAT

9th January 2008, 19:13

Is that £880 all in Danny with your discount?

I need to stress that that isnt a 100% confirmed price from QEP, Matt is away on Holiday this week who will be able to give that fully confirmed price.

That on the previous page is what the bloke left working there said it would be in the region of

9th January 2008, 19:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by samcook

for kms with wideband and display, fitted and mapped on a 3plug ecu by gmc, comes to a grand total of £1628 + VAT

Dont you just wish companies would give prices inclusive of VAT, really gets on my tits with it being so deceiving. Seems a really good price until VAt is added pushing that up to over £1900

Glad ive got the single plug though, with the adapter loom its a piece of cake so im assured.

Prices for KMS from DES Developments in Walsall were as follows for KMS

ECU - £392 + VAT
Lambda display/wideband £224
Adapter loom £95.33
Fitting £540 (Balls to that for an easy fit on the single plug)
Mapping - Between £100-£500 dependant on how good the base map is

So adding up DES Developments price for all required ECU bits only (i say only

) comes to £779 inclusive of VAT

9th January 2008, 19:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by willsy

Is that £880 all in Danny with your discount?

Ditto to that, and inclusive of Vat or not?

Thats a good price from the Walsall place, is it still provided with a basemap from them?

I'd be up for that price and getting it all running on a basemap too

9th January 2008, 19:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by willsy

Dont you just wish companies would give prices inclusive of VAT, really gets on my tits with it being so deceiving. Seems a really good price until VAt is added pushing that up to over £1900

Glad ive got the single plug though, with the adapter loom its a piece of cake so im assured.

Prices for KMS from DES Developments in Walsall were as follows for KMS

ECU - £392 + VAT
Lambda display/wideband £224
Adapter loom £95.33
Fitting £540 (Balls to that for an easy fit on the single plug)
Mapping - Between £100-£500 dependant on how good the base map is

So adding up DES Developments price for all required ECU bits only (i say only

) comes to £779 inclusive of VAT

That's a massive difference. WTF!?

9th January 2008, 19:34

Too many different prices, my mind is boggling right now.

I am 100% set on KMS management though.

The main thing drawing me to QEP at the moment (regardless of whatever the final price is) is they are the only place which will supply the KMS with a basemap suitable to your cars setup already loaded up.

The above is crucial to me as i will have had no way of firing up my engine beforehand to see if it works before taking it to anywhere to be fitted/mapped etc.

So with KMS supplied with a basemap its easy to connect up on the single plug then i can get the engine fired up and running knowing that the basemap will be fine - allows me to drive the car to run it in a little bit before booking in for mapping

9th January 2008, 19:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by redbullet07

500? they've gone up by £100...

From everyones whos got Omex i keep hearing how great and easy to use they are

500ish i quoted may be for the 700/710 series..yeh my dad owns Mech Motorsport and maps ECU's nearly everyday and omex are pretty much spot on. Never heard of KMS though

The prices u guys have been getting for parts fitting and mapping seem a bit steep imo

9th January 2008, 19:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mystic

Ditto to that, and inclusive of Vat or not?

Thats a good price from the Walsall place, is it still provided with a basemap from them?

I'd be up for that price and getting it all running on a basemap too

thort you had a 3 plug ecu?
which means you would be in the same boat as me and the £2000 cost from gmc

9th January 2008, 19:35

thats just going off qep website for ecu say £425
adaptor loom £200
wideband WITHOUT display is £240

but then you need to add vat.
god i hate vat.

9th January 2008, 19:37

Petition to abolish VAT?...If only

we can dream

9th January 2008, 19:41

^^
We can all dream. Im gonna close this thread before I cut my wrists.

9th January 2008, 19:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by samcook

thort you had a 3 plug ecu?
which means you would be in the same boat as me and the £2000 cost from gmc

Nah sorry Sam, im a trendy single plugger

Last VTS was a 3 plug, it died 2 years ago in July though

9th January 2008, 19:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by rushy_23

^^
We can all dream. Im gonna close this thread before I cut my wrists.

lol get in on the action Rush, you know you want to

BODIES BODIES BODIES! am i tempting you yet?

I had a good chat with DES Developments yesterday Rush with regards to both ECU's, the long and short of it from their point of view was:

They would go for OMEX everytime, BUT he did say that he wouldnt say that its better than the KMS, the reason they favour it is simply because they've never had a single problem with one. (If its good and they're used to it then theres no need to venture far into anything different)

Costs of buying and fitting from them were virtually the same.

KMS they'd recommend more than the OMEX for people fitting it themselves as its easier to understand.

9th January 2008, 19:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matty-VTR

500ish i quoted may be for the 700/710 series..yeh my dad owns Mech Motorsport and maps ECU's nearly everyday and omex are pretty much spot on. Never heard of KMS though

The prices u guys have been getting for parts fitting and mapping seem a bit steep imo

Oh cool mate. I was there about 8 months ago. Dave did some work with my cam timing on the rollers. Is Dave your old man?

9th January 2008, 20:07

is this teasing you guys enough, kms boddies run with kms ecu!!!!

9th January 2008, 20:22

That looks quite tasty Danny, what engine is that?

What other implications are there whilst fitting a KMS, i heard something about the immobiliser not working afterwards.

Is it better to mount the ECU inside the car or just stick it where the std one is?

9th January 2008, 20:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mystic

What other implications are there whilst fitting a KMS, i heard something about the immobiliser not working afterwards.

Is it better to mount the ECU inside the car or just stick it where the std one is?

Dreading that bit, alarm will be a right paint in the arse if thats the case, all my immobiliser and alarm is integrated.

Mount ECu where standard one goes ftw

9th January 2008, 20:26

2.0 ford duratec enigne.200bhp

im also going for standard position of the ecu.with he plug and play connector it would be a lot of hassle moving it somewhere else.

9th January 2008, 21:53

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Originally Posted by Toad

Oh cool mate. I was there about 8 months ago. Dave did some work with my cam timing on the rollers. Is Dave your old man?

Yeh hes my old man

You local then?

@ Willsy - Don't rule the Omex out just yet mate

9th January 2008, 22:48

Not really, but I had some head work done by Neil Garner who's based in Cheltenham. He recommended I go see Dave for cam timing...

9th January 2008, 22:54

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Originally Posted by Toad

Not really, but I had some head work done by Neil Garner who's based in Cheltenham. He recommended I go see Dave for cam timing...

Yeh i know Neil...What you done to your engine then?

9th January 2008, 23:11

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Originally Posted by Matty-VTR

@ Willsy - Don't rule the Omex out just yet mate

Unless the Omex can come with all the parts to make it virtually plug in and play the KMS is a surefire winner for my situation.

With the engine transplant theres no way i can hear the engine running before id get the ECU fitted (Standard ECU wont work as im using my existing keys, transponder, all ignition stuff)

So the KMS with a basemap which is easy to fit with single plug is the obvious choice

10th January 2008, 12:27

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Originally Posted by Matty-VTR

Yeh i know Neil...What you done to your engine then?

Neil fitted a big valve cylinder head for me. He's not exactly cheap I can tell you that!

Your old man recommended Omex 600 as the ECU of choice. He said that he wouldn't be the one who would wire it in though, that would need to be done by someone next door to him. I would bi interested in what they would quote for me for the complete job, I.e., installation of the bodies, ECU, loom and mapping...

10th January 2008, 12:42

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Originally Posted by Toad

Neil fitted a big valve cylinder head for me. He's not exactly cheap I can tell you that!

Your old man recommended Omex 600 as the ECU of choice. He said that he wouldn't be the one who would wire it in though, that would need to be done by someone next door to him. I would bi interested in what they would quote for me for the complete job, I.e., installation of the bodies, ECU, loom and mapping...

Post up the quote you get dude

10th January 2008, 12:44

I was hoping Matty might have a word...

10th January 2008, 12:46

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Originally Posted by Toad

I was hoping Matty might have a word...

Matty - if your old man knows the fellas next door then that would be sweet

With a dad like that i want to know what you've had done lol?

10th January 2008, 15:10

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Originally Posted by Toad

Neil fitted a big valve cylinder head for me. He's not exactly cheap I can tell you that!

Your old man recommended Omex 600 as the ECU of choice. He said that he wouldn't be the one who would wire it in though, that would need to be done by someone next door to him. I would bi interested in what they would quote for me for the complete job, I.e., installation of the bodies, ECU, loom and mapping...

No Neil isn't the cheapest your not the first person whos said that lol, you could of got that done at mech.

No he wouldnt be the one who makes up the looms etc, Mech Repairs next door do all the fitting + wiring, and Mech Motorsport do all the mapping & tuning etc on the rolling road.
Omex do produce their own TB's which are similar to Jenvy's. Ring either Mech Repairs for a quote on the fitting (01242 243385) or my dad (Dave) on 07711896878
Mapping would be approx £250 maybe £300 i would of thought.
I would of thought your engine with a ported head, cams, throttle bodies & omex would be a right little screamer!

10th January 2008, 15:15

It's non too shabby at the moment, just needs the bodies and management! Thanks for the info Matty, I'll certainly give them a ring to see what they can offer me.

10th January 2008, 15:16

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Originally Posted by redbullet07

Matty - if your old man knows the fellas next door then that would be sweet

With a dad like that i want to know what you've had done lol?

Turned the boost up and fueling on my first car myself 306dturbo havnt put it on the dyno yet though no point it's only a shitty diesel lol.
Bought a VTR on friday though and have to get it through the MOT first..looking for a VTS engine to squeeze in summer time i'm thinking

or start tuning this VTR engine.
4-2-1 Manifold, induction needs sorting, gasflowed head what sort of power am i looking at? Don't know much about these VTR engines

10th January 2008, 15:17

toad man i gave you the quote i got from mech for fitting of the omex ages ago!

10th January 2008, 15:20

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Originally Posted by samcook

toad man i gave you the quote i got from mech for fitting of the omex ages ago!

You did? Ooops!

Do you have a link to the info? IIRC, wasn't that without the installation of any bodies?

10th January 2008, 15:25

yeh was just teh info for having the omex supplied fitted and mapped

10th January 2008, 15:26

What did u lads get quoted? i'm going down Mech now so i'll ask

10th January 2008, 15:32

cannae remeber what it was but i definutly posted it somehwere so ill have alook in a minute, yeh see what prices you can get for omex supplied fitted and mapped on a mk2 vts cheers mate

10th January 2008, 15:37

On top of that, see what the costs are for installing the bodies too. Basically the whole thing mate! The price to carry out a full conversion, so install the bodies, sensors required, all the loom and ECU, and then mapping. Cheers fella!

10th January 2008, 15:40

found it, thats what i got from mech for the installation of the omex

mech motorsport in cheltenham got back to me with a porice for fitting the omex, its £600 for the ecu wiring and connects + vat, £360 to wire in +vat, 300+vat to map it

10th January 2008, 15:42

hmmm just seen this, been talking to emerald, get the ecu for 590 delivered if i get it whilst away, 275 for mapping, just need to find out how much it would be to fit the ecu from someone near to them.

still cant decide, cars just a toy so dont know if i should spend 1000 plus for the ecu or just map standard

10th January 2008, 15:44

i presume thats excluding VAT for the ecu yates?

10th January 2008, 17:56

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Originally Posted by samcook

found it, thats what i got from mech for the installation of the omex

mech motorsport in cheltenham got back to me with a porice for fitting the omex, its £600 for the ecu wiring and connects + vat, £360 to wire in +vat, 300+vat to map it

Nice one Sammy boy!

Will be interesting to see what Matty comes back with also. This is much cheaper than GMC I think.

10th January 2008, 18:05

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Originally Posted by Toad

Nice one Sammy boy!

Will be interesting to see what Matty comes back with also. This is much cheaper than GMC I think.

cheaper than GMC but more expensive than DD

10th January 2008, 18:06

its mad how complicated it is to find the cheapest price for a standalone setup.

10th January 2008, 18:12

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Originally Posted by samcook

cheaper than GMC but more expensive than DD

But will the mapping be any good?

At the end of the day its how it drives and idles which matters most - to me anyway,

Hence why i went with gmc as they know how to get a supercharged 300bhp beast to drive well, let alone a 170bhp na engine (yes i know boosted has more torque, supercharged is linear blah blah)

10th January 2008, 18:21

I agree JP. We certainly haven't any evidence to prove that Dave at MM is not so hot at mapping. Tricky one... Neil Garner who did they head work for me, couldn't recommend them enough. Considering Neil's spent many years in F1, I'd hope that his judgement was good. I would be willing to let MM do the work on my car.

I'm in a bit of a hurry to get this work done ASAP for reasons you know JP. I'm sure even if the map wasn't super duper, it would at least be much better than what I'm currently at.

10th January 2008, 20:00

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Originally Posted by Toad

I agree JP. We certainly haven't any evidence to prove that Dave at MM is not so hot at mapping. Tricky one... Neil Garner who did they head work for me, couldn't recommend them enough. Considering Neil's spent many years in F1, I'd hope that his judgement was good. I would be willing to let MM do the work on my car.

I'm in a bit of a hurry to get this work done ASAP for reasons you know JP. I'm sure even if the map wasn't super duper, it would at least be much better than what I'm currently at.

Never had a bad word said about the mapping quality at Mech Motorsport - I think that says it all. Drivability, responsiveness etc are the main priorities. MM has had work passed onto them from the likes of Dave walker and powerstation because the customer wasn't happy with the mapping/power.

Does Neil have the BMW M3 24hour race cars? Think hes the bloke with them. Neil knows his stuff and i'd think his judgement is spot on mate.
Best to ring MM for up to date quotes. The boss who does all the fitting wasn't there earlier so i couldnt ask. Just seen they recently fitted an OMEX 710 & loom to an RS500 cossie which looks pretty good

10th January 2008, 20:11

Quality mate.

Yeah, Neil does have an M3 racer. He uses your old man for the mapping.

10th January 2008, 20:17

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Originally Posted by Toad

Quality mate.

Yeah, Neil does have an M3 racer. He uses your old man for the mapping.

Thought so..that thing goes well i seen it at Silverstone.
MM arnt open tommorow as they are at the Autosport show, but looking at those quotes i'd say to get them up to date.
You looked into bike bodies? My old man just did a 2.0 16v zetec with JUST bike bodies and an omex 600 nothing else - 170bhp+ I would of thought they would be pretty cheap and plenty adequate (Spelling?) for your 1600. As i said earlier it would be a right little screamer

10th January 2008, 20:25

Bike bodies haven't proved that popular with Saxos.

I've got my heart set on the KMS DTH bodies.

10th January 2008, 20:31

Popular - What do you mean? Don't perform well? What sort of power were they producing?

10th January 2008, 20:57

kms ftw

ive used both systems the kms and the omex and they are both very good but now ive swayed towards the kms because now ive got used to it its so easy to use

10th January 2008, 21:09

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Originally Posted by dannygti

kms ftw

ive used both systems the kms and the omex and they are both very good but now ive swayed towards the kms because now ive got used to it its so easy to use

It doesn't matter if it's user friendly or not for most people...there not mapping it themselves are they.
Did you map yours then?

11th January 2008, 00:35

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Originally Posted by Matty-VTR

Popular - What do you mean? Don't perform well? What sort of power were they producing?

I've never seen anyone show their results mate.

11th January 2008, 22:34

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Originally Posted by Matty-VTR

It doesn't matter if it's user friendly or not for most people...there not mapping it themselves are they.
Did you map yours then?

its not my car they are westfields nd ive been doing a bit of developement.
i got it somewhere close the it was sent to out rr tuners.

11th January 2008, 22:39

So you did the base maps then?

11th January 2008, 22:49

as it was the first time we used the system we had a duratec base map supplied by kms and the used its wideband lambda properties to get it revving clenly without hesitance or misfires and make sure it wasnt close to "detonation" and when we were satisfied we took it for a final mapping.

that was temporary due to kms not knowing the type of exhaust system and induction being used, now that we have sent all the performance goods to kms they have set it up and mapped it proplerly on their engine dyno