Remap Query

1. Chris_Mac Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 125

   #1 22nd November 2007, 01:02

   Thinking of remapping the saxo
   
   i realise the map will not give overly good results as its a natually aspirated petrol engine.
   
   so, do you think its worth it?
   
   basically the company have said somewhere between 8 and 14 bhp increase.
   
   however i feel it might be benificial to get the 4branch, cda enclosed induction kit and full magnex system working correctly. there is obviously better breathing in the engine at both ends, so more fuel can be presented to the engine.
   
   do people think its worth £200 for 8-14 bhp, but more importantly making the most of my modifications??
   
   thanks
   
   Chris
2. Baz Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2005 Coventry Posts: 17782 Fiesta ST150

   #2 22nd November 2007, 01:09

   personally wouldn't bother.....CAMs then remap
3. Mysticp Scotland Joined: Jul 2005 Edinburgh Posts: 9556 Saxo 1.6i 16v VTS, 2 Classic Minis

   #3 22nd November 2007, 01:14

   Agree with Baz, you wont see alot for your money, if you spent the extra couple hundred on a set of cams (Like the newmans PH3 cam group buy currently going on - act fast & you will save some serious cash) then get you remap & you will be all smiles ear to ear & looking at about 150bhp+ depending on the quality of the remap
   
   ** Assuming you have a VTS?
4. Chris_Mac Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 125

   #4 22nd November 2007, 01:20

   150?
   
   not too sure on that
   
   its 118 at the minute, a map and a cam wont get near 32 bhp surely
5. leeK9 Established Member Joined: Feb 2007 letterkenny,donegal,ireland Posts: 1338 citroen saxo VTS

   #5 22nd November 2007, 01:23

   on a vts it will see near 160 with all breather mods and good cams.
   
   what have you got?
6. Chris_Mac Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 125

   #6 22nd November 2007, 01:25

   4 branch, full magnex system and cda enclosed induction kit
7. user_7076 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2005 Milton Keynes Posts: 8504 Audi A1 S-Line, Mazda MX5 Kuro, Renault Clio 1.2,

   #7 22nd November 2007, 01:44

   Definetely take people's advice and go for cams and then a remap
   
   
   scott
8. AliC Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Bangor Posts: 818 Furio, 300+BHP EP82, zx6RR Ninja

   #8 22nd November 2007, 09:45

   Agree with the above! Firstly breather mods (what ever exhaust u want) then cammig then remapp! Ure looking big gains from that, expesly on a vts!
9. Chris_Mac Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 125

   #9 22nd November 2007, 10:52

   its a vtr, but never mind that!
   
   so everyone reckons cams then a map
   
   was looking at the cams group buy and a vtr cam seems to be about £130 delivered
   
   you think i should get the cam, then the map?
10. Karl Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26

    #10 22nd November 2007, 10:53

    Yes, map once you have a Cam fitted.
11. Mysticp Scotland Joined: Jul 2005 Edinburgh Posts: 9556 Saxo 1.6i 16v VTS, 2 Classic Minis

    #11 22nd November 2007, 10:55

    If its a VTR it wont be at 118bhp with just breather mods, and you wont see 150bhp with cams & a remap but these engines do respond quite well to Cams so you best option to get the most out the car for the least money is still to go with a performance cam and a remap & since a VTR is a SOHC then its a bit cheaper for you since you only need one camshaft
12. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #12 22nd November 2007, 10:56

    Agreed - Cams then remap !!!
13. Karl Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26

    #13 22nd November 2007, 10:57

    Approx 120ish bhp with breathing mods, cam and a map imo.
14. SaxoJamie Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2007 Sussex Posts: 3891 2x 106 GTi

    #14 22nd November 2007, 11:34

    Get it cammed first then remapped, then you will be getting the absolute best from the engine and all the breathing mods as well
15. featherz Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 138 Escort 1.8i 115ps

    #15 22nd November 2007, 16:47

    Same as pretty much anyone, breathing mods + plus 285 cams then a re-map,
    you would not see them gains without a set of cams anyway...
16. doug121 L-plater Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 50

    #16 22nd November 2007, 17:08

    defo cams then remap mate
17. Chris_Mac Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 125

    #17 22nd November 2007, 19:49

    for the non believers
    
    
    
    and just so you know the reg plates match from my car and the RR printout
    
    
18. VtsTom Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2007 Spalding-ish Posts: 2512 Mk4 Anniversary golf. 106 Quiksallye

    #18 22nd November 2007, 20:53

    I had a vtr with pretty similer breathing mods, made 112bhp at the fly. Added a piper 272 cam which is suppose to be quite mild. Had another power run, came back at 120.9bhp but was running 12.4 afr and 40 degrees intake temp. The afr was proof that a remap would be benificial but i sold it before i bothered. Lean it out a bit and raise the rev limit and i think i could have been near 130bhp.
    
    After remapping the vts, one thing i will say is, make sure you get someone who actually knows what they are doing. I spoke to one company and they promised me EXACTLY 14bhp rise at the fly, yea right. Dicks. The chap that did my vts took 12 hours just constantly playing with it to get it perfect.
    
    Get your self a piper 285 cam with their own stronger springs (yes you do need them) and a decent vernier pulley - about £400 all in. While the cam is out you could go for a decent cylinder head job but unless your willing to spend big money for a compitent engineer to do a good job then dont bother. Decent heads are £400+ alone. Then get a remap.
    
    What gearbox are you using? The best mod a vtr is a taller final drive. Something like a vts/gti box, mk1 106 1.4 xsi box or even the 1.3 rallye box.
19. Jazz Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2007 West Sussex Posts: 7566 CLS63 AMG

    #19 22nd November 2007, 21:06

    Good output you've made already mate, but definately get it cammed and then go for the map. Costs more but you will see nice gains, throttle response on your car will be sharp as. If you're making that power now, good cams and good map will see you possibly clear the 130 mark (@ fly), which is pretty dandy for a SOHC 1600.