piper or raceland

1. d4r3n Established Member Joined: Jun 2007 k-in-a, notts Posts: 1858 bmw 330ci sport !

   #1 29th November 2007, 18:30

   which manifold would you guys say would be the best for a mk2 vts,
   looking for the power gain more then noise so any help would be appreciated thanks ...
   
   daz
2. pug205gti87 Frequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Birmingham, West Midlands Posts: 704 Saxo Vts

   #2 29th November 2007, 18:32

   piper probably better but raceland are cheap and just as effective
3. user_16990 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 810 2001 VTS

   #3 29th November 2007, 18:41

   Off topic/
   
   53 plate VTS? Shiz! Lucky man.
   
   On topic/
   
   From what I hear, the Supersprint effort fits slightly better and has an overal better finish to it. I also read on here that it's made from slightly thicker metal and reaps a marginal amount more power.
   
   However, a lot of people swear by the Raceland efforts and have achieved good gains from them. If money isn't a problem, go for the Supersprint, else just go for the Raceland as it seems basicaly as good.
4. d4r3n Established Member Joined: Jun 2007 k-in-a, notts Posts: 1858 bmw 330ci sport !

   #4 29th November 2007, 18:46

   money isnt a problem well for the manifolds any way my mates got a piper on his vtr and it looks mint never seen or heard from a race land..
   just at the mo ive got a piper 3.5 inch out wardly rolled and a supersprint centre section and it just seems to be lagging power so i thought it could be the standard manifold holding back would i feal any gain with a new manifold ?
   
   
   oh and cheers i bought the car near enough new too lol
5. user_16990 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 810 2001 VTS

   #5 29th November 2007, 18:48

   I see. Well people rant and rave about these engines responding well to breathing mods, so I'd assume every little helps. Usual suspects for freeing up the engine are:
   
   Enclosed IK
   De-cat/Straight through
   Manifold
   
   If it's still no good then, chuck it in the skip lol.
6. d4r3n Established Member Joined: Jun 2007 k-in-a, notts Posts: 1858 bmw 330ci sport !

   #6 29th November 2007, 18:53

   lol i would too lol well coming soon will be cams and a remap so getting the manifold this month and cams next so they should help lol
7. johnnyg_vts Established Member Joined: Dec 2006 Fleetwood Posts: 2244 2002 Saxo VTS

   #7 29th November 2007, 19:16

   get a progress thread up and running!
8. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #8 29th November 2007, 19:36

   I'd go for piper, if money wasn't an issue !! But the racelands are good for the money !!
9. Wayne Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2007 Powys Posts: 15348 Icelandtic Grey Citroen Saxo VTS 53 Turbo

   #9 29th November 2007, 19:41

   piper i would say to go for mate
10. d4r3n Established Member Joined: Jun 2007 k-in-a, notts Posts: 1858 bmw 330ci sport !

    #10 29th November 2007, 19:44

    cheers for the advise people think ill head for the piper..
    beeen looking on egay at the exhaust wrap anyone know how many rolls i would need to do all the manifold ?
    
    i would create a progress thread but dont think ive got enough pics lol
11. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #11 29th November 2007, 20:06

    i think I comfortably used 50ft 2cm wide - and had some left over.
12. user_15989 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 Posts: 4857

    #12 29th November 2007, 20:59

    GMC manifold are some of the best out there you can get off the shelf
13. d4r3n Established Member Joined: Jun 2007 k-in-a, notts Posts: 1858 bmw 330ci sport !

    #13 29th November 2007, 22:22

    how much u talking for a gmc mani and where could i get one of these from
14. Saxo_Steve Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2006 Prestwick Posts: 952 Saxo VTR mk2

    #14 29th November 2007, 22:30

    It also depends on what power you want as to whether you get a 4 - 1 or a 4 2 1 mani. Supersprint and raceland are 4 2 1 and piper are 4 - 1.
15. user_16990 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 810 2001 VTS

    #15 29th November 2007, 22:46

    http://www.gmcmotorsport.co.uk/
    
    They only sell 4-1 as opposed to 4-2-1 but there website has loads of details on each part and they clearly know a hell of a lot about engines!
16. AliC Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Bangor Posts: 818 Furio, 300+BHP EP82, zx6RR Ninja

    #16 30th November 2007, 16:11

    Agian depends on where you are wanting the power? For the VTS cos they are so revvy a 4-1 would work well as long as you dont lose too much low range power!
17. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #17 30th November 2007, 16:13

    Unless I was building a peaky race car I'd go with a decent 4-2-1
18. d4r3n Established Member Joined: Jun 2007 k-in-a, notts Posts: 1858 bmw 330ci sport !

    #18 30th November 2007, 18:13

    im not too fussy on top end but would love for it too be alot nippier in 3rd gear at 30 say lol so best is a 4-2-1 for that then ?
19. featherz Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 138 Escort 1.8i 115ps

    #19 30th November 2007, 18:22

    4-2-1 for low down grunt and 4-1 for race spec only really, a 4-1 isnt really going to help at all unless you are running a nice cam and track it alot!
20. d4r3n Established Member Joined: Jun 2007 k-in-a, notts Posts: 1858 bmw 330ci sport !

    #20 30th November 2007, 18:31

    would i be able to tell the diffrence from the standard mani fold with any of the manifolds? or will it just help along with the other mods such as cams ect.?
21. AliC Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Bangor Posts: 818 Furio, 300+BHP EP82, zx6RR Ninja

    #21 30th November 2007, 18:45

    It will work better along side other mod's but there wont be a cat in it so less restrictive!
22. d4r3n Established Member Joined: Jun 2007 k-in-a, notts Posts: 1858 bmw 330ci sport !

    #22 30th November 2007, 18:49

    my vts doesnt have a cat on it any way and plus my cat isnt in the manifold lol, are the gmc as good as the piper ?
23. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #23 2nd December 2007, 17:04

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by lil-daz-vts would i be able to tell the diffrence from the standard mani fold with any of the manifolds? or will it just help along with the other mods such as cams ect.?

    you will notice a big difference over the standard manifold.
24. AliC Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Bangor Posts: 818 Furio, 300+BHP EP82, zx6RR Ninja

    #24 3rd December 2007, 10:01

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by lil-daz-vts my vts doesnt have a cat on it any way and plus my cat isnt in the manifold lol, are the gmc as good as the piper ?

    Its hard to say which one is better as they are different manifolds i.e 4-1, 4-2-1! Would be good to see a dyno with both mani's!
25. M4SON L-plater Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 56 icelandic saxo vts slammed , cammed, chipped, cage

    #25 15th December 2007, 01:04

    paying for the name
26. Richard07 Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2007 Berwick Posts: 128 Ph 2 Saxo Vts

    #26 15th December 2007, 10:41

    for the price of a raceland one you cant really argue, it will give you just the same power gain