Cost of 8V Remap

1. makaveli144 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2007 Burton Posts: 3661 Alfa Romeo GT

   #1 2nd December 2007, 22:56

   Can anyone give me an approximate cost of remapping a VTR? Iv heard its cheaper than the VTS?
   
   If anyone could let me know, or recommend any places in the midlands that would be good.
   
   Cheer
2. rushy_23 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1

   #2 2nd December 2007, 22:57

   Dont think it would be mate as a remap is a remap.
   
   May vary in cost from manufacturer to manufacturer.
3. user_15989 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 Posts: 4857

   #3 2nd December 2007, 23:04

   Its normally down to time and who you go to. More people can map the earlier models and there easier to use. If you just want them to tweak a stock map on a early car it will not cost you much. If your trying to get it to run on individual throttle bodies they could charge over £700. Think a normal map for a mild cam on a early car will be £200 to 400 ish.
4. makaveli144 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2007 Burton Posts: 3661 Alfa Romeo GT

   #4 2nd December 2007, 23:08

   Nah just remap the standard ecu for a new cam, not bodies.
5. AliC Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Bangor Posts: 818 Furio, 300+BHP EP82, zx6RR Ninja

   #5 2nd December 2007, 23:16

   I would say that you are looking in and around £200-£275 for standard map, although you'r not going to see good gains unless you are running other mod's?
6. makaveli144 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2007 Burton Posts: 3661 Alfa Romeo GT

   #6 2nd December 2007, 23:22

   Quote:

   I would say that you are looking in and around £200-£275 for standard map, although you'r not going to see good gains unless you are running other mod's?

   Cams, 4-2-1manifold , straight through exhaust with decat, port+polished throttlebody, Omp racing filter etc
7. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

   #7 3rd December 2007, 08:09

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by AliC I would say that you are looking in and around £200-£275 for standard map, although you'r not going to see good gains unless you are running other mod's?

   was that price a guess?
8. AliC Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Bangor Posts: 818 Furio, 300+BHP EP82, zx6RR Ninja

   #8 3rd December 2007, 09:35

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by williamsvts was that price a guess?

   Not so much a quess, more like what i have been qouted for a mapp, that doesnt include rolling road!
9. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

   #9 3rd December 2007, 10:07

   there shouldnt be a difference in a 8v 16v, obv as said earlier if your running crazy cams and t/b's then yer expect a bit more or if your running a 2500 straight 6 like me your looking at more
10. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #10 3rd December 2007, 16:56

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AliC Not so much a quess, more like what i have been qouted for a mapp, that doesnt include rolling road!

    so for a chip? not a remap.
11. Andy72 Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2007 Newcastle Posts: 825 306 GTI-6

    #11 3rd December 2007, 17:09

    Save your money. You haven’t really got much scope for altering anything with a standard ecu. Remaps seem to be the ‘trendy’ thing to have at the minute without people actually realizing where they actually benefit.
    
    I would suggests pending money on a vernier pulley and getting a session at a rolling road where they can play with the cam timing etc.which will see more gains than a remap on a standard ecu.
    
    Best of all, save up and get a stand alone ecu which gives total control over all parameters and get the remap done then.
12. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #12 3rd December 2007, 17:30

    it adjusts ignition timing and fuelling.
    
    and a remap normally consists of the cam timing being done.
13. Dasher_VTR Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2007 Swanley,Kent Posts: 866 saxo vtr

    #13 3rd December 2007, 18:34

    Whats the average price for cam timings?
14. Andy72 Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2007 Newcastle Posts: 825 306 GTI-6

    #14 3rd December 2007, 21:15

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by williamsvts it adjusts ignition timing and fuelling. and a remap normally consists of the cam timing being done.

    not if its fitted with a standard pulley as theres no scope for adjustment other than factory settings.
    
    But why bother messing with ignition and fueling when its running standard injectors and fuel system and the cam is fixed? Theres nothing to actually adjust!
15. AliC Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Bangor Posts: 818 Furio, 300+BHP EP82, zx6RR Ninja

    #15 3rd December 2007, 21:56

    So when i cam my car with ph3 newmans (basically 708's) do i just need followers, cam belt, pulley and a mapp?
16. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #16 4th December 2007, 12:07

    708s are a 16v cam.
    
    andy - most people on jere that haev had there car mapped (inc me) have different cams. vts' already have vernier pulleys and its common sense to fit a vernier to an 8v if your changing the cam.
    and why cant you alter fuelling on standard injectors? you can alter the duration timing of the fuelling. have you ever had a standard ecu properly remapped? if not then how can you somment on it?
    
    you said before to fit standalone, whats the point in spending over 1k on management when a OE ecu remap will do if as far as your going is cams.
17. AliC Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Bangor Posts: 818 Furio, 300+BHP EP82, zx6RR Ninja

    #17 4th December 2007, 12:38

    sorry m8, though i heard someone telling me that the newman ph3's were like 708's, anyway i take it that its best just to go for the kit?!
18. makaveli144 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2007 Burton Posts: 3661 Alfa Romeo GT

    #18 5th December 2007, 11:38

    Quote:

    Save your money. You haven’t really got much scope for altering anything with a standard ecu. Remaps seem to be the ‘trendy’ thing to have at the minute without people actually realizing where they actually benefit. I would suggests pending money on a vernier pulley and getting a session at a rolling road where they can play with the cam timing etc.which will see more gains than a remap on a standard ecu.

    If you are talking to me I have a Vernier pulley and Im not talking about getting the car 'chipped' but set up properly on a rr.
19. Scottish_Gaz Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2007 Glasgow Posts: 2614 Saxo VTS!!!!!!!

    #19 6th December 2007, 15:19

    what places is there around midlands? and prices on vts with cams?
20. andrestokes L-plater Joined: Dec 2007 nottingham Posts: 91 Saxo vtr

    #20 9th December 2007, 17:30

    i bought my saxo vtr and it was already remapped should i take it 2 a rr if so would it make a difference
21. euro-vtr Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2007 bournemouth Posts: 126 saxo vt- and r6

    #21 9th December 2007, 21:03

    so how much for a half decent chip
22. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #22 9th December 2007, 21:24

    you want it mapped properly. not just fitting a chip.
23. Jackman Saxperience Addict Joined: Sep 2006 Bridgend, South Wales Posts: 11234 iTB 205 Rallye, 205 STDT.

    #23 9th December 2007, 22:12

    thought Remaps are more in the £400 region?
24. Scottish_Gaz Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2007 Glasgow Posts: 2614 Saxo VTS!!!!!!!

    #24 9th December 2007, 22:19

    do chips and maps do same thing or can ya have both done to your ecu? ive heard of n group i think and defo a eprom chip, is this basically a superchip, and do they do same thing as a remap?
25. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #25 9th December 2007, 22:29

    you can have both, they are the same thing. if your having your standard ecu remapped they remove your ecu's 'firmware' chip or chips, which contain the map. then they fit an EPROM chip and keep writing/altering maps on that untill the car is running correct.
26. Scottish_Gaz Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2007 Glasgow Posts: 2614 Saxo VTS!!!!!!!

    #26 9th December 2007, 22:33

    when u say they remove the chip/chips, u mean open the ecu up? i thought they just plug a laptop up to the car lol
27. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #27 10th December 2007, 09:49

    different cars they do different things.
28. mellor L-plater Joined: Nov 2007 Driffield - East Yorkshire Posts: 70 MK1 VTR Fiesta Turbo

    #28 10th December 2007, 11:28

    right... let me get this straight... ive got a mk1 VTR and if i bought a cam/cam kit for it... would i NEED to get it remapped or do i just need to make a few tweaks in timing and a few new bits of hardware?? Will someone please write a needs must sticky guide for camming a VTR!?!?!
    
    ahem... thanks
29. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #29 10th December 2007, 13:55

    you dont need a remap. but its pointless fitting a cam and not mapping it. you wont see any good gains.