Air Fuel Ratio Gauges. Opinions/experiences

1. Mysticp Scotland Joined: Jul 2005 Edinburgh Posts: 9556 Saxo 1.6i 16v VTS, 2 Classic Minis

   #1 12th December 2007, 01:21

   Evening/Morning folks.
   
   Been thinking about getting an AFR gauge for a while now, mostly for the debugging factor but iv had a few funny experiences int he past year with power loss, the odd lumpy idle etc.
   
   Anyway... I was thinking about either of these 2 gauges but i cant really decide which to go for...
   
   
   http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-52mm-MOTOR...QQcmdZViewItem
   
   
   http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BRAND-NEW-60mm...QQcmdZViewItem
   
   Anyone used one of these, or another gauge from the 2 ranges involved? I think i prefer the look of the 2nd style but chances of it all getting wired up n positioned nicely in the car is slim cus im really lazy like that
   
   So, opinions, experiences etc people. Am i just wasting my time with one of these?
   
   Cheers
2. alextoffie Established Member Joined: Sep 2007 Bolton Posts: 1300 Mauritius blue VTR

   #2 12th December 2007, 01:39

   On looks alone, i'd go for the 2nd
3. user_8040 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2005 MaDchester Posts: 8432 Vts

   #3 12th December 2007, 02:13

   id also have the second one as it looks more pro..
4. leeds106 Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 1108 16v Citroen AX

   #4 12th December 2007, 06:57

   i have the 1st one and the 2nd you will find less distracting
   
   although you need a wide band lamba to actually get them to work properly
5. Karl Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26

   #5 12th December 2007, 10:02

   wtf is Stoich?
6. Mysticp Scotland Joined: Jul 2005 Edinburgh Posts: 9556 Saxo 1.6i 16v VTS, 2 Classic Minis

   #6 12th December 2007, 12:22

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Soulless wtf is Stoich?

   The word for optimum fuel air mix lol... Who invented it, no idea. If it was me id have called that point Euphoria or Nirvana lol, much better.
   
   Cheers for the opinions so far guys, can anyone confirm if i'll need a wideband to run this?
7. jeeves_101 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2007 Weston-S-Mare Posts: 3713 Racing Bronze Mazda MX-5

   #7 12th December 2007, 12:28

   2nd one looks way better imo.
8. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

   #8 12th December 2007, 12:42

   you will need a wideband.
   
   Just a quick note. If you are running a Raceland manifold then the positioning of the lambda sensor means they kill wideband ones
   
   For quick reference go for an analogue gauge everytime. IF you want to look like Knight Rider then go digital
9. Mysticp Scotland Joined: Jul 2005 Edinburgh Posts: 9556 Saxo 1.6i 16v VTS, 2 Classic Minis

   #9 12th December 2007, 12:44

   Ack cheers Kam, well i dont have a wideband & i do have a raceland
   
   How much would a wideband be? Also where is the best place for it to plug in?
10. Karl Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26

    #10 12th December 2007, 12:54

    + the first one has german words on it like Stoich.
11. Dibz Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 240 106 GTi

    #11 12th December 2007, 13:09

    Kam, is the supersprint 4-2-1 lambda positioning good for wideband?
12. Mysticp Scotland Joined: Jul 2005 Edinburgh Posts: 9556 Saxo 1.6i 16v VTS, 2 Classic Minis

    #12 12th December 2007, 13:50

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dibz Kam, is the supersprint 4-2-1 lambda positioning good for wideband?

    and where is the ideal place for it?
13. Mysticp Scotland Joined: Jul 2005 Edinburgh Posts: 9556 Saxo 1.6i 16v VTS, 2 Classic Minis

    #13 13th December 2007, 18:02

    
    
    Anyone got any more info on these?