Nitrous Oxide what is it and how/when can you use it?

16th December 2007, 16:51

Hey im sure evryone has watched the OTT films fast and the furious but can NOS be used in a normal car?

16th December 2007, 17:04

NOS is a company brand

Nitrous is the system you are reffering too

and before you ask if it will fit to a 3 stud saxo, read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrous

16th December 2007, 17:13

how will it not fit a 3 stud saxo? it will fit any car. not sure if its illegal to use on the road but just use it whenever you want

16th December 2007, 17:17

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Originally Posted by williamsvts

how will it not fit a 3 stud saxo? it will fit any car. not sure if its illegal to use on the road but just use it whenever you want

As in a typical Gazza follow up question

Anyway, anything you learnt from Fast and the Furious is mostly wrong:

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Nitrous oxide has been used in a number of films.

Naturally, the "Fast and the Furious" series features it prominently. It also portrays the engagement, via a button mounted on the steering, inaccurately, since normally the final 'switch' is actually on the accelerator pedal (only in a "throttle" switch setup), and it only comes on at full throttle. This naturally immediately dis-engages when the throttle is lifted off. It also erroneously depicted that a full bottle would only last 1 run (which is unlikely on anything short of a car running 1/4 mile (400m) events at far slower rates than the alleged capabilities of the cars in the film. Furthermore, it depicts it being activated at a particular stage, and that it can be used too early. This is completely inaccurate, as the earliest usage possible will accelerate the car to a given speed more quickly, and the more quickly it is running earlier in the 1/4mile, the less time it takes to complete the 1/4mile run, even if peak acceleration occurred earlier. In real life drag racing scenarios, nitrous activation is at the earliest possible moment that the additional power & torque are able to be safely transferred to the wheels without breaking traction (wheel spinning). Often kits are used in stages, one stage starting earlier, as both together would exceed traction, and the next stage activated as the next gear is selected or used with a progressive control unit to provide user adjustable traction control. The nitrous is typically switched on and then left activated until the end of the 1/4mile run.

It has also been used in an episode of "The A-Team." -Again erroneously as it was activated by manually opening the bottle's tap. This would then feed nitrous continually, with no cessation until it was empty, meaning that if the throttle was released, the nitrous oxide would continue to flow. This is also the method used to activate the Nitrous Oxide supply to The Humungous' Truck in the film Mad Max 2. It is not apparent if The Humungous was aware or concerned about the possibility of engine damage, however.

In an episode of King of the Hill, the main characters enter a lawnmower race. In order to beat Hank and the others, Dale has Octavio install a Nitrous System in his lawnmower. However, upon activating it Dale's engine blows up (for which he blames Octavio) causing him to come in 5th place, just ahead of Hank.

In one episode of Quantum Leap, the protagonist is in the 1950s and has to win a drag race. He uses dentist-grade nitrous oxide to boost the car and win the race, to the amazement of everyone else.

The real-life nitrous oxide brands are also featured in the later games of the Need For Speed (series), and other racing games have made nitrous available, and contributed to it's fame.

In Eion Colfer's The Supernaturalist, Mona wins a race with a completely Nitrous Car, the Myishi Z-12

16th December 2007, 17:26

eh? that doesnt say what cars you can use it on. it can be fitted to any car.

16th December 2007, 17:33

I was just hoping maybe some one had it on their VTR or S...

16th December 2007, 17:38

it is road legal upto 11lb bottle i do believe, can fit it to any car and installation can be done in half a day DIY

Lots of places wont fit if you do choose to go to a garage, so i would find somewhere before hand if thats the route you wanna take

16th December 2007, 17:45

oh but i wanted the button on the steering wheel to use the nos, but it dont work that way. all my hopes and dreams of reliving the F and F have been dashed now i blame vin diesel, liein b*****d

16th December 2007, 17:49

Lifes a b*tch huh

16th December 2007, 17:52

i no considering suicide now lol i want nitrous but dont no whether a 1.6 will be able to take it

16th December 2007, 17:57

Im guessing if its not puttin in too much it shudnt be a problem...

16th December 2007, 17:59

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Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy

Im guessing if its not puttin in too much it shudnt be a problem...

ya i see what you mean, like only a 25hp boost should be ok or maybe a 50hp anyone done it yet. Only costs about 500 from potn.com

16th December 2007, 18:01

it has been done, seen the odd one or two vts's and r's running it.

iirc you can run upto about a 50bhp jet no problem, any bigger and you'll need to start upgrading internals.

16th December 2007, 18:02

ive heard that on some saxos the fuel pipe is rubber or something.... so cant be fitted unless you change the fuel pipe... something like that as my cuzin was asking a garage about it and he had to check the car first

16th December 2007, 18:03

sorry it can be fitted on the rubber pipe but mite be dangerous........

16th December 2007, 18:06

so what can you replace the fuel pipe then anyone up for a group buy then lol

16th December 2007, 18:06

you normally connect it up in the engine bay at the end of the fuel line, so tbh you shouldn't see or have any problems.

16th December 2007, 18:10

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Originally Posted by jeeves_101

you normally connect it up in the engine bay at the end of the fuel line, so tbh you shouldn't see or have any problems.

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im not sure mate its just what manic motors up here said.....

16th December 2007, 18:12

fair enough, but if you look at a car with nos installed, its plumbed it in the engine bay itself, the nos lines are braided steel and are run from the bottle to the inlet manifold or direct to ports.

16th December 2007, 18:18

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Originally Posted by jeeves_101

fair enough, but if you look at a car with nos installed, its plumbed it in the engine bay itself, the nos lines are braided steel and are run from the bottle to the inlet manifold or direct to ports.

or rite...... im not sure then you may be right...... but if its connected to the rubber fuel line then is there any possibility it will pop off with there been more pressure... i dont really understand it TBH

16th December 2007, 18:24

it's possible, but from what i've seen you don't just connect to the fuel line, cos if you think about it, it's an extra which you add to the mix of fuel and air.

16th December 2007, 18:29

16th December 2007, 19:12

i have nitrous.... i just took it out of my vtr .

very easy to install, the wet kit basicly takes a % of fuel and nitrous and feeds them into the airfilter.

so there for needs tapping into your fuel line... 25bhp is good to start with, then 50 is better, which is what size jets myn has in.

p.s myn also has a mini max controller. and is a proper wizzards of noz kit

oh ye its for sale also

after re reading the thread, the gearbox is what will go first if theres any problems... but with the mini max it'll stop the nitrous throwing 100% poweer as soon as you put your foot down. a standard vtr/s will take 75bhp... people have done 100bhp but dont think that'll last long. neither will your bottle!!!

this isnt a fast and furious thing, you font push a button and it fires you off....

16th December 2007, 19:17

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Originally Posted by 2000vtr

i have nitrous.... i just took it out of my vtr .

very easy to install, the wet kit basicly takes a % of fuel and nitrous and feeds them into the airfilter.

so there for needs tapping into your fuel line... 25bhp is good to start with, then 50 is better, which is what size jets myn has in.

p.s myn also has a mini max controller. and is a proper wizzards of noz kit

oh ye its for sale also

i dont understand that bit mate?

how much you selling your kit for?

16th December 2007, 19:25

how much bud for your nitrous kit

16th December 2007, 19:30

I had it on my old VTR, a 50bhp WON kit. Started of with a 25bhp, didnt have any problems so i switched to the 50bhp. Also no problems, i just got my hands on a 75bhp jet when it was written off.

I was told never to hit the rev limiter with nitrous as it causes a miss fire and massive pressure build up.

The right spark plugs must be used. I had a set of Bosch 4 prongs and it ran poo. Whacked in some normal NGK and it went 100%

I never had a mini max controller. Just a arming switch on the dash and a full throttle switch. Basicaly once you arm the dash switch, when ever you are full throttle, the throttle cable bracket moves over a switch which engaged the nitrous. Went like hell!

One thing i will recomend is a bottle that holds atleast 11lb as a 5lb one is WAY to small. And to get a bottle warming jacket. The higher the pressure of nitrous, the longer it lasts, the hotter the bottel, the more pressure.

With a full cold bottle i could maybe get 3 full bore 2nd gear to 5th gear blasts, thats it. At £5ish per 1lb of nitrous its not cheap.

It IS ilegal to use on public roads! Its not ilegal to have a system in your car if your insured with it. Thats what i was told by the police and thats the information i am led to believe

As 2000vtr says a wet mixture is a combination of a N2o mix with your petrol. You simply tap into your fuel rail (on my vtr i taped into the blanking plug at the end) and run it to the petrol solonoid.

The N2o is fed from the bottle to its solonoid. Both are then run to a junction T piece somewere in your inlect track, mine was at the back of the filter behind the filter element.

Loved this stuff. With a manifold, cam and this nitrous i could reach the red line in 5th gear on a standard vtr box

16th December 2007, 19:33

link to 2000vtr's nos for sale - http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=117083

16th December 2007, 19:44

http://my-car-pics.piczo.com/?cr=2&rfm=y

this was myn

a bottle warmer can also help increase bhp! as when its to cold the one problem could be revs will only go to something like 4, 4.5k revs

16th December 2007, 19:50

is it just me but i didnt see a price lol

16th December 2007, 19:50

hang on itas at the start