FAO People with Big n/a specs or Forced induction

  1. Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2279
    #1
    Can you tell me what manifold and exhaust systems you are using and if you have found and restraints with these! Thanks
  2. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2007 Ely~ Posts: 4591 Mantis Blue VTR
    #2
    i heard the raceland manifold doesnt like any higher than 170 bhp..
  3. Yorkshire Joined: Dec 2005 West Yorkshire Posts: 31079 1989 Golf GTi Clipper
    #3
    would depend where you want the power, surely?

    Mine was running 152bhp with magnex with cat in place and a straight through centre pipe
  4. Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 591
    #4
    i think he's after around 200bhp

    BTB all the way!

    hasnt it got wider collectors than the race land?

    or go custom. as in go to BTB not crappy powerflow lol
  5. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast
    #5
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gazza808 View Post
    i think he's after around 200bhp

    BTB all the way!

    hasnt it got wider collectors than the race land?

    or go custom. as in go to BTB not crappy powerflow lol
    Wont get 200bhp on 809's, i'd almost put my house on it Lol. You should be happy with 190

    Agreed with everything else you said, BTB /GMC all the way
  6. Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2279
    #6
    Yh well i have sourced a btb manifold cheap as one of my mates use 2 have one and has now gone turbo with his car So that is good... But as regards to an exhaust there is nothing apart from custom or a btb unit?
  7. Yorkshire Joined: Dec 2005 West Yorkshire Posts: 31079 1989 Golf GTi Clipper
    #7
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by vtr130 View Post
    Yh well i have sourced a btb manifold cheap as one of my mates use 2 have one and has now gone turbo with his car So that is good... But as regards to an exhaust there is nothing apart from custom or a btb unit?
    From what I gather the btb is quite heavy.

    Can you not borrow one and get a custom specialist to make you a similar design but in a lighter material?
  8. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2006 Durham Posts: 16000 Clio Trophy 025/500
    #8
    I would rather make a manifold from plastic then use a raceland one tbh

    GMC are so much more ahead then raceland.......
  9. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1
    #9
    Isnt it just the bore size that sets the B2B apart from the rest? Most custom
    places can do certain spec bores Im sure of it.
  10. Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2279
    #10
    Yeh well im going to be selling my raceland soon obv But hopefully i will notice alot of difference with the btb manifold especially up at peak power due to the design.

    I dnt know anyone with a btb exhaust for a start, i did know that bic was able to get decent manifolds and exhausts from france.

    Wheres the best place for heat wrap?
  11. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1
    #11
    Supersprints are very well designed ones but doubt they will be suitable for very
    large gains like the ones you have.
  12. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26
    #12
    I'd just run a btb tbf...
  13. Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2279
    #13
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by rushy_23 View Post
    Isnt it just the bore size that sets the B2B apart from the rest? Most custom
    places can do certain spec bores Im sure of it.
    Yeh they can rush but im sure it would get expensive!! Worth giving the btb a try
  14. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1
    #14
    Yea but for your sort of spec mate you shouldnt cut corners.
  15. Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2279
    #15
    I dnt think the btb unit is cutting corners, there have been many large forced induction specs on this manifold as well as n/a cars!! It will know where near as restrict as early as the raceland the GMC has bigger diameter primaries than the raceland and the supersprint. Those primaries are also alot longer.
  16. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26
    #16
    I thought to have a turbo you had a big curly manifold? or do BTB make these also?
  17. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1
    #17
    No no I ment with regards to going custom, if you need to to get the full
    potential of the engine then me personally I would go for it.

    BTB is another valid option and isnt cutting corners.
  18. Established Member Joined: Jul 2007 Plymouth Posts: 1877 CLio sport 172
    #18
    Raceland forced air with green filter, not the easiest to fit as you ahve to bodge a bracket yourself.

    Just this saturday put on a BMC manifold (although it says piper on it lol) manifold no restricts and you don't ahve to change the air filter unlike the raceland ones.

    Hope this helps
  19. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1
    #19
    Hes running a lot more power than standard matey. Problem is that the more
    power you run on these engines the less helpful the off the shelf uprated
    parts are.

    Those manifolds are good for simple breathing mods but not soo much up the
    scale
  20. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast
    #20
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by saxo180 View Post
    From what I gather the btb is quite heavy.

    Can you not borrow one and get a custom specialist to make you a similar design but in a lighter material?
    The BTB exhaust is bloody heavy, trust me i took mine off yesterday and it weights a ton compared to standard.

    Thats all to do with quality though, you wont beat a BTB for length of life and quality....

    There's not many options for the exhaust on a saxo, but as i said i've heard OMP make a cheap 2.25inch system, but its mild steel and wont last that long.

    The BTB should be fine, however a pugsport would be even better Get in touch with Bic and see what he can do for you.
  21. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1
    #21
    Thought the Pugsport was only a 2 inch bore? or do they do higher spec ones too?
  22. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2006 Durham Posts: 16000 Clio Trophy 025/500
    #22
    only do 2inch

    Ashley and BTB do a 2 1/4 inch
  23. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #23
    they do a higher spec exhaust aswell. try boutiquepeugeotsport.
    get what ever they used on the s1600 cars.
  24. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast
    #24
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by rushy_23 View Post
    Thought the Pugsport was only a 2 inch bore? or do they do higher spec ones too?
    I meant the pugsport (maxi)manifold guys, sorry for the confusion, they are huge compared to even the BTB

    BTB exhaust is 2 1/2 inch leeroy

  25. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1
    #25
    Oooo err 2 and a half inches aye?!
  26. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast
    #26
    Pic's of raceland compared to BTB (new style)





  27. Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2279
    #27
    Yeh im guessing that im going to have to i believe bic said to me it would be around £1k for the exhaust and the manifold back in the day... and its a proper tubular jobby.. Do longmans do any form or manifold or exhaust? There only down the road so i may have to go and speak to them so what they do with regards to this
  28. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast
    #28
    Do it, 1k is not overly expensive if you think about it, BTB manifold(new) and exhaust(second hand) your looking at £650ish
  29. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2006 Durham Posts: 16000 Clio Trophy 025/500
    #29
    every inch counts i suppose JP
  30. Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2279
    #30
    Yeh i know its just if i could get in touch with pugsport france over the phone it would be much easier, im going to be emailing them now see what they say. Do you not reckon it would be an overkill though? Im going to speak to richard longman aswell see what they can do with regards to manifold and exhaust.
  31. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast
    #31
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by leeroybrown View Post
    every inch counts i suppose JP
    hahahaha

    IMO the BTB manifold and system with your spec would be a good comprimise, the pugsport mani and system might be a bit of an over kill
  32. Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2279
    #32
    Wot is exhaust in french, lol
  33. Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2279
    #33
    échappement genuis
  34. Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2279
    #34
    Manifold = tubulure does this mean the french are better, lol
  35. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1
    #35
    Say mardi, that means thanks.
  36. Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)
    #36
    could look at getting the manifold off the Citroen C2R2 for a high spec N/a setup
  37. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast
    #37
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KamRacing View Post
    could look at getting the manifold off the Citroen C2R2 for a high spec N/a setup
    Thats the one that goes round the engine (where standard induction kit goes) then down behind the gearbox isnt it?
  38. Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)
    #38
    yep its this one. Very nice piece of kit

  39. Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2279
    #39
    Ok kam how would i get my hands on one of those? That looks the dogs bollocks, and what exhaust could i run with that?
  40. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2007 Spalding-ish Posts: 2512 Mk4 Anniversary golf. 106 Quiksallye
    #40
    I was lucky and got the last new BTB from GMC.

    Think they need 8 orders to make a new batch.

    I bought mine with a new GMC 4-1 manifold, heat wrap kit, Full BTB exhaust and a new Citroen O ring and spring bolts. With vat and delivery it came to just over £1000 - but that is a FULL exhaust set up and after trying many different ones, i think its best i have had so far
  41. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast
    #41
    4 orders i think John said to get another batch of BTB's made up
  42. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2005 flavalas of york United Kingdom (England) Posts: 8456 gen7 toyota celica
    #42
    i am after a pugsport one too

    ps wots a BTB exhaust?????
  43. Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2279
    #43
    Well i like the look of these c2r2 manifolds, where makes them? I have never seen one. Im going to give john a ring 2moz, and see how much he wants to make just one. Otherwise im reallying on you to sell yours to me josh
  44. Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2279
    #44
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by yorkie View Post
    i am after a pugsport one too

    ps wots a BTB exhaust?????
    Btb is a big bore custom exhaust made by gmc, highly rated.

    I believe im on about the pugsport maxi stuff mate whereas your on about the normal pugsport stuff
  45. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast
    #45
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by vtr130 View Post
    Well i like the look of these c2r2 manifolds, where makes them? I have never seen one. Im going to give john a ring 2moz, and see how much he wants to make just one. Otherwise im reallying on you to sell yours to me josh
    What the BTB exhaust, how much you offering

    Yeah try and get one of those c2r2 manifolds mate, they look the daddys!!! those engines produce crazy amounts of torque as well for a 1.6 with 190bhp....
  46. Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)
    #46
    Just got off the phone to Citroen motorsport

    the part in the first pic is the C2R2 max and isn't available until March next year. Price TBC (expect a high one!)

    The C2R2 normal parts are like the pic below and the manifold goes down the front of the engine as per a conventional manifold.


    The manifold comes in 2 sections; 2.25inch bore. The first section is £354.
    Part 2 makes the 4 pipes go into one and is £500.
  47. Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2279
    #47
    Quite pricy then mate, what about the full system they offer, what is the bore on that?

    Also what is the bore on the gmc manifold, because that is more than a 2"??

    Josh - What would you be after for the exhaust?
  48. Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2279
    #48
    Kam and josh i have left you rep for your help
  49. Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)
    #49
    the rest of the C2R2 system is £1200 lol (comes with a fitting kit)
  50. Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2279
    #50
    Thats frickin expensive!! Kam i have sent you an email via ur website btw
  51. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI
    #51
    They are race parts, they cost a load of cash!!

    BTB and GMC are a great combo and good enough for ANY road application
  52. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2007 Spalding-ish Posts: 2512 Mk4 Anniversary golf. 106 Quiksallye
    #52
    How did you get on with my Fubar'd manifold david?
  53. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI
    #53
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by VtsTom View Post
    How did you get on with my Fubar'd manifold david?
    Not used it at all, in cupboard,

    I have no time for cars at the moment

    Buy my VTS

    That is all
  54. Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2279
    #54
    Sell me some parts camp david?

    Would help alot
  55. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast
    #55
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by vtr130 View Post
    Josh - What would you be after for the exhaust?
    Not looking to sell mate, but PM'd you back any way Lol

    Would the c2r2 manifold actualy mate up with the saxo system?

    Doesnt seem toooooo expensive considering the design...

    No worries about helping mate
  56. Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 591
    #56
    Also...
    Won't the c2r2 exhaust system be rather thin stainless??
    as its a race system, and would get replaced every season or what not
    therefore prone to cracking and braking more then a more heavier system
  57. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2005 flavalas of york United Kingdom (England) Posts: 8456 gen7 toyota celica
    #57
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by vtr130 View Post
    Btb is a big bore custom exhaust made by gmc, highly rated.

    I believe im on about the pugsport maxi stuff mate whereas your on about the normal pugsport stuff
    oh rigth i have one of these BTB a hausttech one 2 1/2 piping it was build for a turbo sax but i not desided if i turboing now.

    i am at 132bhp at mo so i have no idea about this maxi pugsport would i be needing the maxi type pugsport???
  58. Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2279
    #58
    No mate not at all, the standard unit will do you just fine!!
  59. Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2279
    #59
    Right today i have emailed gmc and sent an email to a custom exhaust place called maniflow... Seing what they can do i will keep you posted
  60. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast
    #60
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by vtr130 View Post
    Right today i have emailed gmc and sent an email to a custom exhaust place called maniflow... Seing what they can do i will keep you posted
    Give John a ring, his e-mails dont always go through
  61. Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2279
    #61
    Oh is he lazy, lol... Yeh i will ring him then