fitting cams to a vtr do you need to take off the head gasket???????

1. Mr_suv Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2007 blandiago Posts: 4483 Hondaaaa

   #1 22nd December 2007, 12:41

   as above just started trying to fit my cam and it looks like il have to remove my head gasket to get it in is this right?????or am i looking at it in too much of a complicated way someone help rep on hand if i can get advice quickly love you all
2. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

   #2 22nd December 2007, 12:43

   i believe you should take the head off have a look for williamsvts old vts progress thread he has some photos of the head off the car, should be similar for a vtr
3. Mr_suv Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2007 blandiago Posts: 4483 Hondaaaa

   #3 22nd December 2007, 12:45

   cheers tht sucks
4. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

   #4 22nd December 2007, 12:48

   You will need to remove the head to change the cam so therefore new headbolts and headgasket should be used..
5. gazza808 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 591

   #5 22nd December 2007, 13:16

   You can do it on the car if you good enough
6. stalkah66 Frequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Evesham Posts: 949 3x mk1 Saxo VTR's 1x 1987 mk2 xr2

   #6 22nd December 2007, 16:31

   It can be done on the car, but is a pain and i've seen it messed up a couple of times by doing this. So I would say you will need new head gasket and bolts.
7. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #7 22nd December 2007, 16:58

   properly, head off, clean areas up, new seals, gasket, bolts etc..
   
   best to do it properly first time
8. ScottyD-VTS Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 752

   #8 22nd December 2007, 17:17

   i thot you just take the belts off rocker cover off rockers out change the cams and build it back up? why would you need to take the head off to change the cams?
9. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #9 22nd December 2007, 17:35

   best to do it off the car to prevent fucking it up. and its a perfect opportunity to change the gasket and the headbolts.
   
   most people when fitting a new camshaft also like to check the head is not warped at all. and so have it skimmed slightly.
10. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

    #10 22nd December 2007, 18:00

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ryan best to do it off the car to prevent fucking it up. and its a perfect opportunity to change the gasket and the headbolts. most people when fitting a new camshaft also like to check the head is not warped at all. and so have it skimmed slightly.

    
    
    sorry but if you say skimming heads is a good idea then i may have to shoot you in the face, thats the biggest myth amongst mechanics everytime you have the head off skim it
    
    as i hope you allready no most heads have a natural curve to them and straigten when locked down
11. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #11 22nd December 2007, 18:02

    I hate skimmed heads for no reason, hence why my post says check that the head isnt warped at all. Myself i would have it checked to see if its all perfect before fitting it to do a proper job 1st time round.
    
    many people skim heads all the time and constant skimming eventually makes the head un useable.
12. ScottyD-VTS Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 752

    #12 22nd December 2007, 18:05

    i dont see why you would have to have the head skimmed if the car is running perfectly fine before you change the cam. its just adding unessecary work. yes if the car is billowing white smoke. But i dont see the need to take the head off 2 change the cam
13. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

    #13 22nd December 2007, 18:06

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ryan I hate skimmed heads for no reason, hence why my post says check that the head isnt warped at all. Myself i would have it checked to see if its all perfect before fitting it to do a proper job 1st time round. many people skim heads all the time and constant skimming eventually makes the head un useable.

    Comman sence to have it checked at the same time yer was jsut making sure you werent one of those skimming lovers
14. RedB Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Haywards Heath Posts: 8445

    #14 22nd December 2007, 18:06

    Do it right first time and replace everything, spend time on it now
    
    No problems and more money spent on repairs later on
15. RedB Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Haywards Heath Posts: 8445

    #15 22nd December 2007, 18:07

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MiniGibbo Comman sence to have it checked at the same time yer was jsut making sure you werent one of those skimming lovers

    Skimming lover lol?
16. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

    #16 22nd December 2007, 18:07

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ScottyD-VTR i dont see why you would have to have the head skimmed if the car is running perfectly fine before you change the cam. its just adding unessecary work. yes if the car is billowing white smoke. But i dont see the need to take the head off 2 change the cam

    
    to get the cams out you need to take the headbolts out which realises the pinch on the gasket there for jsut makes sence to renew it instead of running the risk of it wepping
17. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #17 22nd December 2007, 18:10

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MiniGibbo Comman sence to have it checked at the same time yer was jsut making sure you werent one of those skimming lovers

    no i just belive in doing a job properly 1st time.
    
    un necesary machining risks chances of bad workmanship aswell.
18. RedB Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Haywards Heath Posts: 8445

    #18 22nd December 2007, 18:10

    Guide for this in the premium section as well mate
19. RedB Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Haywards Heath Posts: 8445

    #19 22nd December 2007, 18:13

    Here we go...
    
    http://www.saxperience.com/mods/show...e.php?artid=36
    
    Same deal pretty much but only one cam and some other little bits
20. ScottyD-VTS Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 752

    #20 22nd December 2007, 22:33

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MiniGibbo to get the cams out you need to take the headbolts out which realises the pinch on the gasket there for jsut makes sence to renew it instead of running the risk of it wepping

    Thanks mate i didnt realise you had to take the headbolts out now i understand why folk are suggesting the head gasket be changed.