Play in rear beam..

  1. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Cheltenham Posts: 920 Silver VTR & Gunmetal Grey VTR
    #1
    ..just had the MOT done and the bloke said there is play in my rear wheels from the rear beam. Anyone know what causes this? He said it could be the bearings in the torsion bar? Are there actually any bearings in the torsion bar? Could it possibly be the bushes? It's been lowered 60mm if that makes a difference..any help appreciated
  2. West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S
    #2
    There are no bearings on the torsion bars.

    There are bearings on your rear axle where the trailing arm attaches on to, these may be knackered, which could be caused by incorrect lowering- which method was ti lowered? could have damaged parts when lowering i.e ARB seals which in turn could let water into your trailing arms.

    If water has got in for example as a worst case scenario (frequent one at that) it could have washed out much of your bearing grease and caused the bearings to foul onto the axle pins- Then to correct that you'd need to refurb or replace your rear axle.

    Could cost between £100 for a reasonable 2nd hand standard rear axle as a repalcement (depending on model) to a few hundred to refurb existing axle right through to £500 with all new parts min.
  3. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4119
    #3
    ive got the same problem wi mines mate. i spoke to the mechanic and supposedly very common in citroen/pug. he also said its cheaper just buying a second hand axel but the problem is how do you know it hasn`t got the same problem also, if its common. ive got play in one side but the mechanic says i have to buy the bearings in sets off 2 so have to get both sides done. and if ma mind serves me right he said it was 200quid or 200quid a side. hope this helps some
  4. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Cheltenham Posts: 920 Silver VTR & Gunmetal Grey VTR
    #4
    200 quid for fucking bearings are u serious? or was that price for fitting? I'm gonna do the work myself
  5. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4119
    #5
    it would have been 200quid a side fitted , just judging as the post above mines said upto 500quid.
  6. West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S
    #6
    You'd be wise getting the axle fully checked over rather than just replacing the bearings.

    If the axle pins are deteriorated caused by the bearings grating on them then the new bearings still wont have a smooth surface to function on, Therefore the loop has gone round again and the axle pins would quickly destroy the new bearings - Money down the drain

    If you live close to the midlands or dont mind travelling a bit then PM jpsaxo as him and his Dad refurb rear axles for a very very good price and will ensure that everything is 100% fine
  7. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Cheltenham Posts: 920 Silver VTR & Gunmetal Grey VTR
    #7
    I need prices on the bearings for where the trailing arm attaches onto the rear axle. I rang places like GSF earlier and they dont stock those..do i have to get them from pug/citroen?
    What other parts would i need to refurb my rear axle?
  8. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast
    #8
    Most probably the bearings have damaged the stubb pins, i can provide these at £75 per pin - these arent made up by citroen or pug.

    They are costly due to being case hardened, roller ground etc.

    You may also need bearings and seals, which come in at around £60 from cit or pug.

    Chances are whoever lowered your beam either did it the wrong way or did a crap job of it.
  9. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast
    #9
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Matty-VTR View Post
    200 quid for fucking bearings are u serious? or was that price for fitting? I'm gonna do the work myself
    You can buy a brand new beam, without bearings and seals, nor fitted from citroen for about £500 if you wish....

    Expensive game i'm affraid.
  10. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Cheltenham Posts: 920 Silver VTR & Gunmetal Grey VTR
    #10
    I'm gonna take the rear axle apart saturday and see whats what..Do you manufacture those pins yourself then?
  11. West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S
    #11
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jpsaxo View Post
    Most probably the bearings have damaged the stubb pins, i can provide these at £75 per pin - these arent made up by citroen or pug.

    They are costly due to being case hardened, roller ground etc.

    You may also need bearings and seals, which come in at around £60 from cit or pug.

    Chances are whoever lowered your beam either did it the wrong way or did a crap job of it.
    You wont find a better deal than that for guaranteeing that the problem will be solved and having confidence of a job well done.
  12. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast
    #12
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Matty-VTR View Post
    I'm gonna take the rear axle apart saturday and see whats what..Do you manufacture those pins yourself then?
    Nope made up professionally,

    I have done plenty of these, you will need a big press to press these in and out, or leave your beam (yellow bit) with me for a week or so and i can do it for you
  13. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #13
    60ton press

    you can buy teh bearings and spacers indivitually aswell.
  14. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Stockport, Manchester Posts: 5911 Vtr @ 123bhp R.I.P VTS
    #14
    How much for full refurb then lads
  15. Established Member Joined: Feb 2007 Leicester Posts: 1083 BMW 5er
    #15
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by seanp06 View Post
    How much for full refurb then lads
    spoox website says £350

    It says on their site they take it to bits, grease it, put it back... if thats refurbing?
  16. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast
    #16
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gartrell View Post
    spoox website says £350

    It says on their site they take it to bits, grease it, put it back... if thats refurbing?
    No, Lol

    Toffy press Marc
  17. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Cheltenham Posts: 920 Silver VTR & Gunmetal Grey VTR
    #17
    Do i need these..
    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Peugeot-106-XS...sid=p1638.m118
  18. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #18
    cant get ebay at work but i've never seen the parts needed on ebay.
    trailing arm bearings is what you need.
  19. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Cheltenham Posts: 920 Silver VTR & Gunmetal Grey VTR
    #19
    Cheers mate
  20. Frequent Poster Joined: May 2006 east lothian/edinburgh Posts: 886 (cars i have OWNED)mk1 vtr,3 mk 2 vtr's,106 quicky
    #20
    very common on saxo's ive not had to replace an axle on a saxo ive owned yet have on 2 of my pugs though there is a place near glasgow cas(complete auto solutions who can do the bearings for i think 60 a side.so is this right then if its lowered wrong it fucks the beam.ive been told the right was is removing the torsion bars raising the trailing arms to the desired hight and then replacing the torsion bars again??
  21. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 North East Posts: 5289
    #21
    My Trailer arm bearing clapsed on my 206 ive just replaced the complete axle, but the best way to check it is the trailer arm bearing is to jack the car up evenly and the wheel where the trailer arm bearing has gone will not sit straight and go in over at the top.
  22. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #22
    its just once you take the arb out to lower it it damages the arb seals, these can be replaced though. citroen only charge £60 for both sides.
  23. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast
    #23
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Matty-VTR View Post
    No, they are the bushes, not bearings / stubb pins.

    Basically you need to:-

    -Pull your trailing arms off
    -Take a pic and host it here / PM me and a few others, get opinions if the stubb pins are shot it
    -If they are pull the beam off and replace stubb pin / pins
    -Order and fit new bearings and arb seals from citroen / pug
    -put back together with a shed loads of greace
  24. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Cheltenham Posts: 920 Silver VTR & Gunmetal Grey VTR
    #24
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stiffler69 View Post
    My Trailer arm bearing clapsed on my 206 ive just replaced the complete axle, but the best way to check it is the trailer arm bearing is to jack the car up evenly and the wheel where the trailer arm bearing has gone will not sit straight and go in over at the top.
    Yeh i have negative camber at the rear lol..
    Cheers jpsaxo i will take a pic
  25. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast
    #25
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Matty-VTR View Post
    Yeh i have negative camber at the rear lol..
    Cheers jpsaxo i will take a pic
    Definitely stubb pin gone on the side that has negative camber then, make sure you check the other side as well
  26. West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S
    #26
    Josh if you can find it, have you still got the pic of the fooked stub pin somewhere that you could post up to show people?
  27. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #27
    if its not smooth ts fucked is a simple rule of thumb
  28. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #28
    my fucked pin

  29. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast
    #29
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by willsy View Post
    Josh if you can find it, have you still got the pic of the fooked stub pin somewhere that you could post up to show people?
    I'll dig it out now mate
  30. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast
    #30
    Marc's is how most are,

    Properly fucked



    When refurbed



    Brand new

  31. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #31
    fanfappingtastic
  32. West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S
    #32
    Just a slight difference there
  33. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Cheltenham Posts: 920 Silver VTR & Gunmetal Grey VTR
    #33
    How much for a refurbed beam then jpsaxo?
  34. Saxperience Addict Joined: May 2006 Posts: 12553
    #34
    Just happened to mine. Currently having a new rear axle in as we speak...!
  35. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Cheltenham Posts: 920 Silver VTR & Gunmetal Grey VTR
    #35
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by David View Post
    Just happened to mine. Currently having a new rear axle in as we speak...!
    Common problem then..
  36. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast
    #36
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Matty-VTR View Post
    How much for a refurbed beam then jpsaxo?
    I cant commit to having the beam ready in the next week, or even this month to be honest, i can however supply you the parts - drop me a PM
  37. Established Member Joined: Sep 2005 Market Bosworth Posts: 2482 106 XSi 1360cc
    #37
    we are rather busy to say the least but ill nudge dad tonight and well see if we can get one going!
  38. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Stockport, Manchester Posts: 5911 Vtr @ 123bhp R.I.P VTS
    #38
    How much then jpsaxo? Thats everything said and painted up
  39. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast
    #39
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by seanp06 View Post
    How much then jpsaxo? Thats everything said and painted up
    PM me mate
  40. Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2007 Berwick Posts: 128 Ph 2 Saxo Vts
    #40
    im getting mine done at manic motors they quoted £350 for re con beam and all seals and bearings plus labour and lowering
  41. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast
    #41
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Richard07 View Post
    im getting mine done at manic motors they quoted £350 for re con beam and all seals and bearings plus labour and lowering
    None of the above will stop the play in the rear beam.

    I replace everything needed to make the beam as good as new and charge £300 - thats all in. Fitting you can do yourself it really isnt that hard. and can explain how to lower it easy as pie as the torsion bars will have been removed and free'd off.
  42. Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2007 Berwick Posts: 128 Ph 2 Saxo Vts
    #42
    that will cure the play in the axle im replacing everything all tht for £350
  43. Newbie Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 12
    #43
    Spoox Motorsport reconned my axle 2 years ago, they replaced inner and outer bearings on the trailing arm, both arms shafts (tube) outer seals, paper outer seals, eccentric washers and securing bolts. my bill £350 + vat they turned it round in two days as well. They also fitted grease nipples to the tube so that the bearings can be greased without stripping. Good idea i thought. Its still perfect and no play nasty noises ! Give them a shout as at least you get warranty.