Peformance guidance

  1. Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2007 Milton Keynes Posts: 841 Possi Blue VTR (Gone) MK3 VR6
    #1
    Ok guys i dont pretend to know SHIT loads of performance mods just a basic knowledge of whats what.

    Any with abit of help from a friend weve compromised a list of both performance and upgradeable parts.

    However i would like some information as to wether the parts are right for what i want which is a generally faster car with a better 0-60 Time. Im not after an overall smooth ride etc or top end. Just want something that could possibly keep up with my mates standard GTI?

    Anyway if any1 could give me advice as to which of the following 2 options would be best. Also any possible power gain outputs?

    Option 1)
    Piper Ultimate Road Cam Kit for 1.4 & 1.6VTR 'Black Top'
    £441.00

    Hiflow Vernier Pulley
    £65.00

    Hiflow Competition Cam Belt
    £14.50

    Modifed Spark Plugs
    £20.00

    Ported TB
    £55.00

    Ported Inlet
    £50.00

    Lightened Flywheel
    £55.00

    ECU Remap
    £225.00

    FSE Boost Valve
    £96.00

    Total
    £1021.50

    Option 2)
    Hiflow 36mm Throttle body kits
    (ECU+TB's+Manifold+sensors+Loom)
    £1250.00

    My current performance mods are, BMC CDA/Supersprint race system(decat)/Raceland manifold
  2. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Cheltenham Posts: 920 Silver VTR & Gunmetal Grey VTR
    #2
    With option 2, you may need headwork to get the best out of it
  3. Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R
    #3
    "Option 1)
    Piper Ultimate Road Cam Kit for 1.4 & 1.6VTR 'Black Top'
    £441.00"

    - Sounds a bit expensive for a single cam and, I presume, some stiffer valve springs? Newmans PH3 cam is a lot cheaper (around £150 iirc) and will be just as good, would just need to source some stiffer springs though.

    - Also, modified spark plugs, £20 ?? What are they? Surely standard are okay? IMO waste of money.

    FSE Boost valve I wouldn't bother with, IMO not needed.
    Competition Cambelt isn't really needed, but for £14 will be good.

    I'd personally go with buying the cam and getting the headwork done, then getting a good remap and enjoy it.

    .............. or drop a vts lump in and enjoy 16v's.
  4. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2007 Coventry Posts: 5182 Lupo GTI
    #4
    Option 2 will cost you more than that.

    But if done correctly it would be the better option.
  5. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Cheltenham Posts: 920 Silver VTR & Gunmetal Grey VTR
    #5
    As raunchz said, drop a VTS engine in it. If your decent with a spanner then that cuts the labour costs out
  6. Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2007 Milton Keynes Posts: 841 Possi Blue VTR (Gone) MK3 VR6
    #6
    how straight forward is the conversion? i have a friend who can do it, i know this cos he did an escort GTI conversion a few weeks back, just wondered how straight forward a VTS or even a GTI conversion is?
  7. Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2007 Milton Keynes Posts: 841 Possi Blue VTR (Gone) MK3 VR6
    #7
    ok sorted... IM buying a 106 GTI lump and dropping that in. Ive had a word with my other mate who just done a 2.5v6 lump into a corsa and hes confident he can do it np. Seen a nice GTI lump for sale for a bargain price so!

    Also just to check, i need the following items for a successfull conversion:

    engine
    gearbox
    ECU
    Loom
    Ignition Key + Transponder
  8. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 Posts: 4857
    #8
    I would personally stay away from Hiflow. I think the comment on fitting a VTS would be the best value for money if you only have about £1000. If you have closer to £2000 I really would look at boost. That is if your talking bhp per £. But if you want to NA tune a VTR talk to Longman or GMC. I also know MASMO have some very good used VTR parts in cheap.
  9. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2007 Weston-S-Mare Posts: 3713 Racing Bronze Mazda MX-5
    #9
    if what you've stated is all your after then on that list of option 1, you really only need the cam, pulley, p&p throttle body and re-map.

    fse is a no no, and some of the others aren't going to really see you much.
  10. Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2007 Milton Keynes Posts: 841 Possi Blue VTR (Gone) MK3 VR6
    #10
    ok, i think im pretty much going to do a GTI conversion and cam/map that
  11. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2006 Banbury Posts: 4623 Saxo Rally Car Evo 6
    #11
    Id get a proper vts engine with the right plug ecu as yours for a successful conversion. GTi loom has a few extra sensors iirc.
  12. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26
    #12
    dont bother with the power boost valve.
  13. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 West Sussex . Posts: 5690 Subaru Impreza Wrx
    #13
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dannyc View Post
    how straight forward is the conversion? i have a friend who can do it, i know this cos he did an escort GTI conversion a few weeks back, just wondered how straight forward a VTS or even a GTI conversion is?
    Rem did a guide in the stickys in this section have a look at that it should help.
  14. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Trowbridge, Wiltshire Posts: 3769 A van...
    #14
    If you're looking at spending a grand anyway, the VTS / GTi Conversion would definately make more sense.

    IMO That could be done for £500 all in, Leaving you some money for Cams and a Manifold or something, Even more for your money then
  15. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2006 Suffolk Posts: 7551 N/A 200bhp+ per ton 106 gti
    #15
    pump up the tyres alot for a quicker 0-60, take off unessercary weight etc..