BHP from a 1.4 furio ?

1. Mugello Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 824

   #1 15th January 2008, 18:48

   heya all
   
   lol got another question 4 ya
   
   so a saxo 1.4 furio has about 80-90BHP standard ? right ? or am i miles off ?
   
   so what sort of power can be achieved by making some mods?
   
   im talking like full race exhaust, mani, induction, ecu re-map ....
   
   will it gain alot ? like 15 - 20BHP ? or am i dreaming
   
   cheers all
2. Jackman Saxperience Addict Joined: Sep 2006 Bridgend, South Wales Posts: 11234 iTB 205 Rallye, 205 STDT.

   #2 15th January 2008, 18:49

   75bhp on the book standard.
   
   can tune them
   
   believe you can get them over 100bhp
   
   think theres a Quiksilver with 110bhp +
3. Mugello Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 824

   #3 15th January 2008, 18:51

   i see... wow nice for a little car
   
   well better get savin some more money then hehe
4. Chico999 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2007 Dunfermline Posts: 2814 2000 Wicked Red VTS

   #4 15th January 2008, 18:51

   What would you need to get it to 100+ break?
5. Jackman Saxperience Addict Joined: Sep 2006 Bridgend, South Wales Posts: 11234 iTB 205 Rallye, 205 STDT.

   #5 15th January 2008, 18:52

   Save £5000 and turbo it.
   
   i almost did. till i wrote it off.
6. sexylittleass Established Member Joined: Dec 2007 Nottingham Posts: 1528 Black saxo vtr

   #6 15th January 2008, 18:52

   more like 70ish bhp, vtr's are 90-98 bhp. You might reach the 90bhp mark with those mods mate
7. Jackman Saxperience Addict Joined: Sep 2006 Bridgend, South Wales Posts: 11234 iTB 205 Rallye, 205 STDT.

   #7 15th January 2008, 18:53

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Chico999 What would you need to get it to 100+ break?

   Enclosed induction
   Exhaust
   4-2-1 Manifold
   De-Cat
   Cam
   Remap
   
   might see it then.
   
   my mates Quiksilver was 86bhp standard lol.
8. kenny Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2005 Near St Andrews Fife Posts: 4631 Saxo Westcoast (sold) mr2 turbo

   #8 15th January 2008, 19:09

   75bhp standard
9. user_8040 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2005 MaDchester Posts: 8432 Vts

   #9 15th January 2008, 19:11

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Jackman Enclosed induction Exhaust 4-2-1 Manifold De-Cat Remap

   + cams..
   
   then ull see 100, better off puttin a vtr engine in tho, as its alot cheaper..
   
   furios have 75bhp std and 88lb/s torque..
10. Jackman Saxperience Addict Joined: Sep 2006 Bridgend, South Wales Posts: 11234 iTB 205 Rallye, 205 STDT.

    #10 15th January 2008, 19:12

    I edited it to add the Cam
    
    forgot it the first time round lol. was concentrating to hard on my spelling!
11. user_18516 Established Member Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 1743

    #11 15th January 2008, 19:38

    itsnot worth spending money on a furio on exhaust, manifold, caming it, remap just buy a vtr/vts as your insurance will be sky high if you declare exhaust manifold etc on a furio
12. user_7096 Established Member Joined: Sep 2005 Market Bosworth Posts: 2482 106 XSi 1360cc

    #12 15th January 2008, 19:40

    hey i have a 1.4 westie its 75bhp std. and i have done the following
    
    270 piper cam
    exhaust
    manifold
    de-cat
    induction kit
    
    this made 93.8bhp on a r/r
    
    now also has a ported polished tb that i did and is stripped to pieces
    
    performed well around llandow track and went by a VTR wih breather mods at silverstone but only because of the power to weight ratio
    
    those who have been in my car or seen it going will tell you it goes pretty well for a 1.4
    
    add me on msn bud and ill talk you through everything ive done
    sampreston6@hotmail.com
13. user_18516 Established Member Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 1743

    #13 16th January 2008, 13:20

    thats good spec from a 1.4 mate good on you
14. AliC Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Bangor Posts: 818 Furio, 300+BHP EP82, zx6RR Ninja

    #14 16th January 2008, 13:31

    Thats not bad now, although with it cammed and mapped i would have thought you woudl have been just over the 100BHP mark? The furio head itself is too restrictive thats the problem! Even with a gasflowed head a standard VTR head with out flow it!
15. The_Notorious_C_A_T Established Member Joined: May 2007 Near Inverurie (kind of...) Posts: 2303 Twingo Silverstone

    #15 16th January 2008, 13:35

    My mate had a standard furio, and it made 90 horses on the rollers at wallace performance in town(aberdeen).
    
    No idea why, think it was just a freak of an engine really.
16. jpsaxo Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast

    #16 16th January 2008, 15:36

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AliC Thats not bad now, although with it cammed and mapped i would have thought you woudl have been just over the 100BHP mark? The furio head itself is too restrictive thats the problem! Even with a gasflowed head a standard VTR head with out flow it!

    Correct, Sams goes well, very well in fact
    
    Its only a 270 cam, so only just wilder than standard, nearly 20bhp increase is good for breathing mods and a little cam
17. user_15989 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 Posts: 4857

    #17 16th January 2008, 15:56

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by The_Notorious_C_A_T My mate had a standard furio, and it made 90 horses on the rollers at wallace performance in town(aberdeen). No idea why, think it was just a freak of an engine really.

    
    The things you have to not forget about rolling roads is they only measure wheel power. Even that is still much of a educated guess as even something such as over inflating the tyres or setting toe to zero will make a car show more power on a roller. Then to work out the fly power from the wheel power they simply take a guess. You just tell the computer what you think the transmission losses are and it will then work it out from there. But the transmission loss form a car especially a tuned one is complete guess work most of the time. This is why you can easily get over a 50% difference in fly power from one rolling road to the next. A lot of rolling roads just work from a set loss for any FWD car even though that loss is completely wrong.
18. The_Notorious_C_A_T Established Member Joined: May 2007 Near Inverurie (kind of...) Posts: 2303 Twingo Silverstone

    #18 16th January 2008, 18:05

    I know the fly figure is an educated (or complete) guess, but i thought the wheel figure was accurate enough. Although like you said there is different factors that can influence it, as in even what gear it's run in iirc?
    
    I thought the general rule for transmission losses is 25%?
19. FinchysSaxo Established Member Joined: Dec 2006 Buckinghamshire Posts: 2087 Megane F1 R26 Liquid Yellow

    #19 16th January 2008, 18:49

    mines running at 90.6 bhp with 4-2-1 manifold, enclosed filter, straight through exhaust system, and obviously de-cat'd
20. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #20 16th January 2008, 20:40

    we've got the TU 1.4 engine in the peugeot 205 (1.4 on a single solex carb) to 98.2bhp with just a piper 285 cam, a little headwork, Group N exhaust and a few homebrew mods to the carbs.
    
    approx 75bhp at the wheels vs 75 bhp at the fly for the standard car
    
    We'd have got more with a decent manifold as the standard one looks very restrictive. Engine was sold before we had a play
21. Jackman Saxperience Addict Joined: Sep 2006 Bridgend, South Wales Posts: 11234 iTB 205 Rallye, 205 STDT.

    #21 16th January 2008, 20:45

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KamRacing we've got the TU 1.4 engine in the peugeot 205 (1.4 on a single solex carb) to 98.2bhp with just a piper 285 cam, a little headwork, Group N exhaust and a few homebrew mods to the carbs. approx 75bhp at the wheels vs 75 bhp at the fly for the standard car We'd have got more with a decent manifold as the standard one looks very restrictive. Engine was sold before we had a play

    Is that the 205 Rallye engine?
22. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #22 16th January 2008, 21:07

    thats the one.
23. Jackman Saxperience Addict Joined: Sep 2006 Bridgend, South Wales Posts: 11234 iTB 205 Rallye, 205 STDT.

    #23 16th January 2008, 21:14

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KamRacing thats the one.

    O the fun i could have.
    
    They are pretty quick engines anyway.
    
    I go round my mates Quiksilver with Raceland 4-2-1 and Pugsport likes hes not even there.
    
    Possibly something to do with my weight advantage.
    
    I still duno weather to tune the 1.4 or do a engine conversion!
24. Baz Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2005 Coventry Posts: 17782 Fiesta ST150

    #24 17th January 2008, 03:10

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by FinchysSaxo mines running at 90.6 bhp with 4-2-1 manifold, enclosed filter, straight through exhaust system, and obviously de-cat'd

    1 BHP slower than mine woop
25. user_257 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2003 Kent Posts: 3994

    #25 17th January 2008, 04:05

    Surprised we've got to page 2 without VTS conversion being mentioned, unless i missed something.
    
    Would cost a similar amount to cam, remap etc etc and 120bhp standard with room for further mods like cams etc.
26. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #26 17th January 2008, 07:50

    heh sometimes just slapping in a bigger engine isn't as fun..
    
    but if you are forced to be sensible then for the best value returns its the way to go
27. Foggy Established Member Joined: Feb 2007 Coleford, Glos Posts: 1290 Saxo S1400 EVO II, Boosted Partner HDi

    #27 17th January 2008, 10:25

    My 1400 is running at just over 150 at the flywheel now......
28. AliC Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Bangor Posts: 818 Furio, 300+BHP EP82, zx6RR Ninja

    #28 17th January 2008, 11:42

    whats the spec of ur car m8?
29. Foggy Established Member Joined: Feb 2007 Coleford, Glos Posts: 1290 Saxo S1400 EVO II, Boosted Partner HDi

    #29 17th January 2008, 13:35

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AliC whats the spec of ur car m8?

    Heres the LINK to the thread......
    
    Had a bit more head work since the first post....
30. FinchysSaxo Established Member Joined: Dec 2006 Buckinghamshire Posts: 2087 Megane F1 R26 Liquid Yellow

    #30 17th January 2008, 16:39

    Baz - grrr lol m8 its cuz iv got 2 stupid exhausts thats y lol
    
    Foggy - lol its a bit different for ur car, how much u spent again lol?
31. user_7096 Established Member Joined: Sep 2005 Market Bosworth Posts: 2482 106 XSi 1360cc

    #31 17th January 2008, 17:44

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jpsaxo Correct, Sams goes well, very well in fact Its only a 270 cam, so only just wilder than standard, nearly 20bhp increase is good for breathing mods and a little cam

    woop http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=119690
    theres a link to thread
    
    would like to get around 130 by the end with carbs and a wilder cam but for now 100 would be lovely, accompanied by billies, GTI beam, Grp N. bushed up, stripped out, oil coller etc. is the aim before more power is wanted!
    
    in all honesty 100bhp stripped is around 120bhp/ton anyway and that would happily keep up with breathed on VTRs on track dependant on suspension and brakes and gearbox etc. it also keeps me happy even though i have a little less
    
    add me on msn anyone who wants to chat about 1360s or saxos in general
    sampreston6@hotmail.com
32. FinchysSaxo Established Member Joined: Dec 2006 Buckinghamshire Posts: 2087 Megane F1 R26 Liquid Yellow

    #32 17th January 2008, 17:49

    added m8
    
    mines finchy7@hotmail.com
33. Baz Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2005 Coventry Posts: 17782 Fiesta ST150

    #33 18th January 2008, 00:54

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by FinchysSaxo Baz - grrr lol m8 its cuz iv got 2 stupid exhausts thats y lol Foggy - lol its a bit different for ur car, how much u spent again lol?

    haha i was thinking more of the silly Viper
    
    Ive spent a whole....£260 on my engine mods
34. Foggy Established Member Joined: Feb 2007 Coleford, Glos Posts: 1290 Saxo S1400 EVO II, Boosted Partner HDi

    #34 18th January 2008, 06:27

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by FinchysSaxo Foggy - lol its a bit different for ur car, how much u spent again lol?

    I think, spent roughly £35k overall to date!
35. FinchysSaxo Established Member Joined: Dec 2006 Buckinghamshire Posts: 2087 Megane F1 R26 Liquid Yellow

    #35 18th January 2008, 08:20

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Baz haha i was thinking more of the silly Viper Ive spent a whole....£260 on my engine mods

    ye lol i will more than likely invest something else in the future instead of the viper, i got it for £20 and swop of my open K&N filter so not bad lol
    
    And the exhausts were all ready on the car when i bought it so just had to invest in the manifold and parts for the swop.
36. FinchysSaxo Established Member Joined: Dec 2006 Buckinghamshire Posts: 2087 Megane F1 R26 Liquid Yellow

    #36 18th January 2008, 08:20

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Foggy I think, spent roughly £35k overall to date!

    o i wish i had £35,000 to spend on my saxo i would have so much fun
37. AliC Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Bangor Posts: 818 Furio, 300+BHP EP82, zx6RR Ninja

    #37 18th January 2008, 13:00

    lol that is so much money! I in all honety wouldnt have a saxo fr £35000!
38. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #38 18th January 2008, 15:24

    in all honesty for more power and wanting to keep it to a 1.4 most people know what id do
39. user_7096 Established Member Joined: Sep 2005 Market Bosworth Posts: 2482 106 XSi 1360cc

    #39 18th January 2008, 15:44

    stick a turbo on it.......
    
    and c'mon gav you know im N/A all the way!!