Remap,

23rd January 2008, 22:29

is there any point remapping a car which is has only been lightly modified? all i can see is it delivers the power more across the rev range.. by lightly modified i mean forced induction, and the usal de-cat etc

23rd January 2008, 22:30

obviously i sud wait til i get a cam conversion b4 a remap but i just wanna see what would happen with no majour mod like cams :\

23rd January 2008, 23:07

Do you mean proper forced induction (turbo/supercharged)
or just an airfilter with a scoop?

Waste of money unless car has been camm'd!

23rd January 2008, 23:10

there are benefits... although the cost really doesnt merit the benefits which will be minimal dude.

23rd January 2008, 23:36

Would see gains, more power, better torque, better fuel economy.

The standard saxo maps are quite conservative, and with a decent map you can extract good power on basic mods.

If people say you will see no gains they are LIEING!

This opinion has come about by people mapping there cars BADLY!

But yes, cam's then ECU, or our ECU, then cams, then cheap free remap? least you will know how much the cams give you mate!

Ross
RCD.

23rd January 2008, 23:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCD-Performance

Would see gains, more power, better torque, better fuel economy.

The standard saxo maps are quite conservative, and with a decent map you can extract good power on basic mods.

If people say you will see no gains they are LIEING!

This opinion has come about by people mapping there cars BADLY!

But yes, cam's then ECU, or our ECU, then cams, then cheap free remap? least you will know how much the cams give you mate!

Ross
RCD.

Totally agree here, i've read countless posts of people saying its pointless mapping it unless you cam it but its just not true. For every one of those posts i've read a review of someone without cams who's had a basic remap (even on a totally stock engine) and said they were impressed about how much better the car runs + performs afterwards.

Providing you get a reputable company to do it i think its worth it - think about it this way... a full air + zorst system (induction kit, manifold, centre pipe + back box) would cost you what?
£100 induction kit
£200+ manifold (decent one)
£200+ cat back system
Fitting? £??

How much will that add, 10-12bhp realistically?

Angel tuning do a remap on a stock VTR/S engine for £250 and claim they can add 9-10bhp from that alone...

I'd agree with the above and say if you're not planning on camming it then once you've done the work you wanted to do a good remap will probably be a sound investment.

23rd January 2008, 23:57

About 10-12 obviously depending on the health of the car and the parts used.

What they claim, and what they actually do could be two different things.

EVERY ONE of the cars we fit an ECU too will be dyno'd before and after if the customer so wishes to PROVE what gains we have made. If we cant make any, we wont charge the customer a penny and the original ECU will be replaced.

I believe that's a good a garentee as you can get!

24th January 2008, 00:00

Certainly is mate, if only you weren't pretty much on the other side of the country i would have come to you when the engine work had been done on my car lol

24th January 2008, 00:03

oh Arse. lol

Well we will be offering a collect and return service for customers cars.

At cost price a nice shiney 4x4 and trailer will pick your motor up, and drop it off when work is complete!

I will get round to putting this lot up in our section soon! lol

Ross
RCD.

24th January 2008, 00:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by alextoffie

Angel tuning do a remap on a stock VTR/S engine for £250 and claim they can add 9-10bhp from that alone..

to follow that up, the thing to remember is that even though all vtr/s etc etc will have the same engine for that particular... all the engines will be slightly different from one another on a macro-mechanical scale. as a result the standard map is not always perfect for the engine. flats spots tend to occur.

whilst a manufacturer will say that 9-10hp can be gained. dont expected it at the peak hp. it could be mid way though the rev range where an original flat spot maybe that has now been corrected.

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24th January 2008, 00:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCD-Performance

About 10-12 obviously depending on the health of the car and the parts used.

What they claim, and what they actually do could be two different things.

EVERY ONE of the cars we fit an ECU too will be dyno'd before and after if the customer so wishes to PROVE what gains we have made. If we cant make any, we wont charge the customer a penny and the original ECU will be replaced.

I believe that's a good a garentee as you can get!

Hmm it sounds pretty good to be honest! wasnt expecting such a good reply, was kinda regretting the post thinking people would say just cam it up, but like the guy says i dont really want to heavily mod my car to an extream where i cant afford the insurance.

just to clear this up.. would u be mapping the original saxo ECU, or putting an after market one and mapping it up on the RR's etc (sorry dont know alot about Mapping.)

24th January 2008, 00:16

No worries.

We fit an standalone aftermarket ECU system. 2 varients of which we will be supplying (more news as things progress) one will be wired into your harness, the other (shhh this is big news) will be COMPLETELY plug and play, that system we are still developing as we speak and will be ready very soon!

We NEVER completely map a car on the dyno as its a shite way of doing it

to be plain. We map on the road and then dyno run the car to check do descrepenses then adjust accordingly.

Check out our section on the site for details of option one of our ECU system mate.

The very exciting plug and play system will be reveiled shortly!!!!!

Ross
RCD.

24th January 2008, 01:24

umm while we are on the toppic of remaping standerd cars do you have tol tell insurance about a remap(standerd ecu remap) as the only way thay would cheak it is to cheak the ecu witch i cant see them doing?

24th January 2008, 07:54

plug and play sounds like a very interesting alternative to KMS as ive seen so man problems with the display!! and also the software

25th January 2008, 05:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by liam_b

umm while we are on the toppic of remaping standerd cars do you have tol tell insurance about a remap(standerd ecu remap) as the only way thay would cheak it is to cheak the ecu witch i cant see them doing?

Its a modification, so yeah, officially you should tell them.

25th January 2008, 10:28

Always tell the insurance company of *any* parts fitted to your car that was not on it when it came from the factory, and even tell them if it had and *factory fitted* sports enhancements.

It's really not worth the 6-8 points and £200-£??? fine. It's even less worth it if you mow down a bus-shelter of old ladies with no insurance. Funny as it sounds, your life will be over.

On the brighter side, there are many good points made above, the most important I think is that no two engiens are identical. They can come out the factory one after the other and they may have subtly different requirements in terms of the fuelling and the ignition they will tolerate.

Another thing to remember, is if you decide to run you car on the new funky high octane pump fuel, it seems a shame to not map your car to suit this petrol. This in itself will allow your car to produce somewhere in the region of 5lbsft extra torque (in some cases a little more or less)

Another important point is that power gains are not necessarily at the peak end. If you are not camming the engine, then power gains may be a beautiful swell of torque for use when howling off the exit of roundabouts, this is 'driveability' and it's the area of the curve you spend over 75% of your driving time in even when giving it the beans.

The RCD ECU will allow micro-management of every aspect of the car. If you feel a hesitation, sluggishness or lurch and any speed in any gear, at any time during your driving experience, chances are it can be mapped out.

Check out the progress - we are hopefully starting the car this weekend on the megasquirt for the first time, wiring allowing!

Andy
RCD

27th January 2008, 20:28

So what do you guys at RCD Charge for a Std ECU Re-Map then?
ie My car has a Manifold, Straight through, Induction kit, Fuel pressure reg and what not, what kinda gains would i see from a re-map with them?

And what more would I gain by Camming before i re-map?
Cheers

28th January 2008, 11:04

DavidKent,

we don't re-map the standard ECU at all. We can fit the MS ECU to most vehicle, and are developing a plug-n-play solution for the Saxo VTS, and then after that the VTR. What car are you driving?

28th January 2008, 11:10

Ah ok then fair enough.
Its a Furio..
But will have an early Silvertop VTR Lump in it..

Plug and play solution sounds pretty expensive though! lol

28th January 2008, 11:15

Not as much as you may think.

Prices are to be confirmed, but they hopefully wont be that much more than our standard Megasquirt systems (£650 + VAT)

28th January 2008, 11:17

Still pretty steep, steeper than a re-map..
I don't really want to pay £400 for a Remap tbh

lol..
See what the bank account allows in a few months

Cheers

28th January 2008, 11:18

Fair enough mate

Its like most things though. You do get what you pay for!