K&N VS PiperX. Pros and Cons

1. SaxoAlex Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Nantwich Posts: 692 '07 zetec S

   #1 28th January 2008, 22:32

   Trying to decide between these two manufacturers for an OPEN cone filter for my 1.1. These are the pro's and con's of each IMO.
   
   PiperX foam
   
   
   
   Pro's- Better 'roaring' sound apparantly than K&N. Slightly cheaper.
   Con's- Can decrease performance as they sit right at the back of the engine bay and suck in hot air. Doesnt come with cold air feed.
   
   OR......................
   
   K&N 57i
   
   
   
   Pro's- Possibly better performance as sits more up front. Has cold air feed.
   Con's- More expensive. Quieter?
   
   
   
   Im looking for one that sounds great, and doesnt decrease performance/slight gain if poss.
   
   And no i don't want a sealed one. What would people go for/reccomend?
2. Saxo_Steve Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2006 Prestwick Posts: 952 Saxo VTR mk2

   #2 28th January 2008, 22:51

   Either way you'll be losing performance due to heat soak so if it's sound you're after go for the better sounding one. Just buy some piping and make a cold air feed for the piperX one. The only way you'll see gains is by getting an enclosed kit or mounting an open cone away from the engine, i.e. at the bottom of the bumper or in place of a fog light, but by doing this you'll most likely soak up water and f*ck your engine. That's my thoughts on this matter anyway, I'm sure you'll get more!
3. user_17385 Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2007 Havant, nr Portsmouth Posts: 406 Red 97 vts bought in june 2012 :)

   #3 28th January 2008, 23:21

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Saxo_Steve Either way you'll be losing performance due to heat soak so if it's sound you're after go for the better sounding one. Just buy some piping and make a cold air feed for the piperX one. The only way you'll see gains is by getting an enclosed kit or mounting an open cone away from the engine, i.e. at the bottom of the bumper or in place of a fog light, but by doing this you'll most likely soak up water and f*ck your engine. That's my thoughts on this matter anyway, I'm sure you'll get more!

   ive got an open cone.. kn 57i with a cold feed pipe.
   
   ive got a gmc fitted now and although its wraped the filter still get's hot.
   get an enclosed one..
   
   take the advive and dont waste your money..
4. Karl Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26

   #4 29th January 2008, 10:15

   May I ask why would you not want a sealed one?
5. SaxoAlex Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Nantwich Posts: 692 '07 zetec S

   #5 29th January 2008, 10:23

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Soulless May I ask why would you not want a sealed one?

   Because i dont really want to go above the £100 mark on an induction kit as iv got other plans for my money i.e ICE.
   
   Also, i appreciate that with a 1.1 there isnt much point spending money on performance mods as with such a small engine there will be minimal increases. I just want one that sounds good really.
6. Karl Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26

   #6 29th January 2008, 10:26

   buy a second hand BMC or Viper dude,
   Open filters are a bit chav, especailly on relatively standard flat arch models?
7. SaxoAlex Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Nantwich Posts: 692 '07 zetec S

   #7 29th January 2008, 10:30

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Soulless buy a second hand BMC or Viper dude, Open filters are a bit chav, especailly on relatively standard flat arch models?

   Its a possibility. I was looking at the raceland one with a green filter on kam racing but they only seem to do it for the VTR/S? Can you get them for the 1.1?
8. Karl Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26

   #8 29th January 2008, 10:31

   itll fit your 1.1, pm or look @ Snewhams progress thread dude.
9. SaxoAlex Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Nantwich Posts: 692 '07 zetec S

   #9 29th January 2008, 18:29

   ANYONE ELSE GOT ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS?
10. Paul_Collins Established Member Joined: Apr 2006 Bridgend, S. Wales Posts: 1092 MkII White VTS

    #10 29th January 2008, 18:43

    buy a raceland one, k&n and pipercross are a waste of money, suck in too
    much hot air.
11. Saxo_Steve Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2006 Prestwick Posts: 952 Saxo VTR mk2

    #11 29th January 2008, 23:08

    It's really up to you to decide what's more important to you, noise or performance? If it's noise then go for an open filter, if it's performance go for an enclosed like the raceland with green filter, or just buy a panel filter for your airbox.
12. RCD-Performance Established Member Joined: Dec 2007 Southampton Posts: 2278

    #12 30th January 2008, 00:20

    Its not going to make any difference which one you use mate
    
    If it does...you will never notice it.
    
    So stick one the one you get your hands on first and enjoy a little bit of throatyness
13. adamsax Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2005 W.Yorks/W.Sussex Posts: 3982 MK1 VTS

    #13 30th January 2008, 00:24

    Put a green panel filter in your standard airbox.
    
    Job's a good'un.
14. RCD-Performance Established Member Joined: Dec 2007 Southampton Posts: 2278

    #14 30th January 2008, 00:26

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by adamsax Put a green panel filter in your standard airbox. Job's a good'un.

    Agreed.