Pics/fitting guide needed for Group N engine mounts

6th February 2008, 23:47

Hey all, just a quickie in need of a good straight to the point bit of info and if possible pics of the items fitted.

Ive got some Group N engine mounts for the VTS engine which are the Pugsport S2 ones.

Ive searches for pics and full fitting info on both saxp and ssc but havnt found anything solid to help out- i was looking for ages.

I just need a picture of the mounts fitted, essentially the ECU mount as this has the most bits and is most complicated to grasp.

From what i can gather the W solid rubber shaped bit and the domed but at the top is a straight swap.

Then theres 2 metal plates about 2cm x 3cm and 0.5cm thickness which iirc fit and should be welded in place either side of the chassis mounting so that th W shaped solid rubber bit is a solid fit.

I then have a slightly larger metal regtangular shape which has a recess in it for a large M8 (iirc) bolt to pass through it and slot into place.

I need to know where this above bit goes as the metal block doesnt fit in the gap below the domed part of the mount, and the bolt has a thread size which is big for the hole in the mount

Any help and/or guidance is greatly appreciated

7th February 2008, 13:00

Answers needed quite urgently

7th February 2008, 13:06

The big rectangle plate and countersunk screw/nut fit under the mounting to limit the downward distance of the mount....

Hope that explains.... LOL

7th February 2008, 13:12

Not really lol, the thread on the countersunk screw is a completely different size to the internal thread at the base of the orange 'domed' top part of the mount.

7th February 2008, 13:13

Heres a pic of the mounts

7th February 2008, 13:20

The block sits on the inner wing steel work and the screw goes through the block and the nut has to be fitted through the hole under the wing....

Tried to find a pic, but don't have one. LOL

So basically, the 2 weld on pieces and the other make the gap that the mount sits in smaller.. Any help...LOL

7th February 2008, 13:24

The lil diagram above should help i think

7th February 2008, 13:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foggy

The block sits on the inner wing steel work and the screw goes through the block and the nut has to be fitted through the hole under the wing....

Tried to find a pic, but don't have one. LOL

So basically, the 2 weld on pieces and the other make the gap that the mount sits in smaller.. Any help...LOL

So if that countersunk screw goes downwards through the inner wing and the nut does up underneath that means that nothing bolts upwards into the thread inside the orange topped domed bit

7th February 2008, 13:28

Or is there actually still place to do up the original bolt into the bottom of the domed bit which then means that the actual stabilisation is just effective on the 2 top bolt holes through the domed bit and into the inner wing from there

7th February 2008, 13:29

The block / rectangle is not fitted to the mount.... It's fitted to the steel work of the mounting point on the inner wing......

The countersunk screw is used to hold it down

7th February 2008, 13:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by willsy

So if that countersunk screw goes downwards through the inner wing and the nut does up underneath that means that nothing bolts upwards into the thread inside the orange topped domed bit

Use the screw from your original mount to connect up into the domed unit

8th February 2008, 12:30

Currently doing this mate and getting some pics...

17mm nut is a slag to get on the underside! lol.

Once you take it apart it will all become clear.

i was just as disillusioned as you are

8th February 2008, 18:02

I have just put a Group N kit, but with the Group A lower mount (the almost solid metal one) and it's sooooo much better than standard !! Engine doesn't rock, and there's a little shake throughout the car !! Well recommend them !!!

8th February 2008, 23:05

Had another look at this today and im still not satisfied with the setup of the ecu mount.

Really want to see a pic if possible from someone who has these fitted.

The above method seems really sketchy without actually using a bolt through the bottom of the mounting bracket into the domed head. With 1 bolt less out of 3 to attach solidly theres still something telling me that this isnt right and that the benefit of having a grounp N mount is being comprimised with the lack of the 3rd (and arguably the most) solid securing point

9th February 2008, 00:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by willsy

Had another look at this today and im still not satisfied with the setup of the ecu mount.

Really want to see a pic if possible from someone who has these fitted.

The above method seems really sketchy without actually using a bolt through the bottom of the mounting bracket into the domed head. With 1 bolt less out of 3 to attach solidly theres still something telling me that this isnt right and that the benefit of having a grounp N mount is being comprimised with the lack of the 3rd (and arguably the most) solid securing point

Dan's put pics up on his thread on ssc mate, see in there. user name Daniel (danvtr17 on here)

9th February 2008, 01:03

Had a quick look at the pics

posted asking for a couple more if he can put them in the thread.

Still cant understand why that bottom plate with the countersunk screw is even there besides the lack of an upward bolt from the inside of the chassis upwards into domed mount.

Ill follow suit i guess and get them fitted. Noones complained of any problems or anything so ill assume that its all right

9th February 2008, 10:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by willsy

Had a quick look at the pics

posted asking for a couple more if he can put them in the thread.

Still cant understand why that bottom plate with the countersunk screw is even there besides the lack of an upward bolt from the inside of the chassis upwards into domed mount.

Ill follow suit i guess and get them fitted. Noones complained of any problems or anything so ill assume that its all right

It doesnt seem to make sense to me either mate. But they must be right if thats how everyone else is doing it. Plus Dan said his is vibrating like fuck so sounds Go0o0o0o0od

10th February 2008, 22:54

Must be right, engine is in and there is absolutely no movement atall.

pics uploading if anyones interested

11th February 2008, 08:13

The plate on the bottom is so that should the main bolt break(which they do and pugsport know that) then the engine doesn't drop and flap about, the side plates are to stop the engine from rocking about and snapping the bolt in the first place.

If you were a full member on ssc(you may be i dunno) then you can view the whole guide, joshweiner has no doubt copied and pasted it for you anyway tho