Decision Time - Raceland/Green vs BMC CDA

29th February 2008, 09:27

Okay, I am on the verge of buying an induction kit for my VTR from KamRacing, I did set myself on the Raceland/Green but am seriously tempted to go with the BMC CDA but ultimately it will come down to which is truely the best kit to have? I'm not on a budget. From what I've read;

Raceland/Green - Good induction kit, sounds really good but doesn't provide as much gain as BMC CDA and can be tricky to fit - £99

BMC CDA - Good induction kit, rather quiet sound, provides slightly better bhp/torque gains, looks better under the bonnet and easy to fit - £167

Any more pros/cons to either of them? any air feed issues or anything? Will I need to buy any added extras to fit either of them? For example does the BMC CDA induction kit come with the inlet manifold, the pipe that goes from the manifold to the air filter or will I need to buy that seperate from Samco or something? I know the Raceland does come with that part.

Thanks!!

29th February 2008, 09:32

All I would say is thier both the same really, except I think the raceland looks much better, as it fills the bay nicely:

29th February 2008, 09:41

After seeing three or four of the raceland kits now, i've been put right off them , no-one seems to be able to get them to fit properly, the quality of the fitment is aweful!

Not had any experience with the BMC sorry.

Ross
RCD.

29th February 2008, 10:21

RCD-Performance

That's the first time I seen someone really tear down Raceland, appreciate it though - I'd rather know both kits in good detail before making a decision.

Rep given

29th February 2008, 10:26

thanks mate

I know i will get bad rep for saying that, however i think people should know everyones opinion on a product, and me being a tuner has nothing to do with my comments, its purely my personal opinion

Ross
RCD.

29th February 2008, 11:19

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Originally Posted by RCD-Performance

thanks mate

I know i will get bad rep for saying that, however i think people should know everyones opinion on a product, and me being a tuner has nothing to do with my comments, its purely my personal opinion

Ross
RCD.

I agree they are hard to get to fit properly, but as you can see mine sits and fits perfectly, you only need to make a couple of brackets and I just made some out of stainless steel

I just can warrent the money on a BMC when the simota is just as good

29th February 2008, 12:43

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Originally Posted by saunders

I agree they are hard to get to fit properly, but as you can see mine sits and fits perfectly, you only need to make a couple of brackets and I just made some out of stainless steel

I just can warrent the money on a BMC when the simota is just as good

on mine the joint between the heatshield and the silver pipe isnt grippy enough it has quite abit of movement when its not attached on :\

29th February 2008, 13:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by saunders

I agree they are hard to get to fit properly, but as you can see mine sits and fits perfectly, you only need to make a couple of brackets and I just made some out of stainless steel

I just can warrent the money on a BMC when the simota is just as good

I just feel that for £140 odd you shouldn't have to make any brackets! lol

Ross
RCD

29th February 2008, 13:12

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Originally Posted by RCD-Performance

I just feel that for £140 odd you shouldn't have to make any brackets! lol

Ross
RCD

got the pricing a tad wrong?
http://www.kam-racing.com/index.php/cPath/98_158

29th February 2008, 13:12

its nto 140 its 100.

I have the raceland, but i always thought if anything raceland have better gains bhp/torque !

After fiddling about ive got mine to fit really well imo, brackets would be better but its getting a good air flow and sounds immense. (Like the use of your user name, lol)

My mate has a bmc on his cupra, they dont really sound all that tbh, and performance increase is minimal next to nothing, mind you this is on a different car.

Tbh id rather save 67 quid and get raceland and then spend 67 quid on a race centre section or summit, lol.

29th February 2008, 13:19

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Originally Posted by RCD-Performance

After seeing three or four of the raceland kits now, i've been put right off them , no-one seems to be able to get them to fit properly, the quality of the fitment is aweful!

Not had any experience with the BMC sorry.

Ross
RCD.

I've fitted mine, just takes abit of time.

Just move battery across a tiny bit, (undo a bolt and slide it across, tighten bolt)

then cable tie the front of the raceland (front two holes) to the holes (in the perfect place, coincedence?) on the slam panel.

Then just bolt the other holes around the raceland up, and jubilee clip it to the air intake, job done.

Wouldn't be any fun if it was easier than that tbh.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCD-Performance

I just feel that for £140 odd you shouldn't have to make any brackets! lol

Ross
RCD

They're no where near £140 mate, i paid £60 for mine.

Also, i haven't used any brackets on mine and its perfect.

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Back on topic.

I bought the BMC look a like off sax-p the other day, really dont like and prefer my raceland. Put my raceland back on last night and selling the BMC look-a-like to my brother.

Paul

29th February 2008, 13:20

My apologies read the wrong price

In my opinion the race section would give you more "bang" for buck than the filter

29th February 2008, 19:11

I'm not a mechanic, and my Raceland fits well. No movement etc.

Admitabley it took a few hours, but it was worth it.

29th February 2008, 19:19

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Originally Posted by immense

Okay, I am on the verge of buying an induction kit for my VTR from KamRacing, I did set myself on the Raceland/Green but am seriously tempted to go with the BMC CDA but ultimately it will come down to which is truely the best kit to have? I'm not on a budget. From what I've read;

Raceland/Green - Good induction kit, sounds really good but doesn't provide as much gain as BMC CDA and can be tricky to fit - £99

BMC CDA - Good induction kit, rather quiet sound, provides slightly better bhp/torque gains, looks better under the bonnet and easy to fit - £167

Any more pros/cons to either of them? any air feed issues or anything? Will I need to buy any added extras to fit either of them? For example does the BMC CDA induction kit come with the inlet manifold, the pipe that goes from the manifold to the air filter or will I need to buy that seperate from Samco or something? I know the Raceland does come with that part.

Thanks!!

where you getting bmc provides more gains lol? back to back testings were done by williams and the bmc came second

but at the end of the day, its only a induction kit not a turbo. you wont feel much at all whichever you have. if i was buying on a budget id get a panel otherwise a green enclosed. depends how far you want to go with tuning etc

29th February 2008, 19:29

My mate was speaking to someone at demon tweeks about a bmc and demon tweeks themselves steered him away from it for hisvtr as he said it was good but not worth all the cash!

29th February 2008, 21:04

Ave you thought about the pipercross viper? Ive got one on me vts at the moment,car pulls realy well with it,and it sounds the part specialy with the full magnex system.

29th February 2008, 21:21

Nought wrong with BMC, you just have to spend a little more on silicon hosing

I've only ever had a BMC so cant really comment on gains over Raceland/Green, willing to give a raceland with a green cone a go thou on my VTS, the Raceland + Green have been used loads by 16v cammers with good results, I dont think the Green enclosed is worth the premium personally.

ManC

29th February 2008, 21:35

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Originally Posted by saxokid100

Ave you thought about the pipercross viper? Ive got one on me vts at the moment,car pulls realy well with it,and it sounds the part specialy with the full magnex system.

Pipercross was what I was originally going to go with before I heard about Raceland/Green & BMC CDA, seems not many people rate Pipercross when the question has been raised on these forums...

29th February 2008, 21:42

Nice one upping the pictures by the way lads - always good to see how they look under the bonnet - the blue silicone hosing looks good aswell

1st March 2008, 15:10

As with Manc

i had a very similar setup on my old vts

but on my current vts im going with a green jobbie

1st March 2008, 15:41

sammy, that engine bay is mint

1st March 2008, 16:57

This has been asked thousands of times before have a search fella.

I have had both on the VTS and can honestly say the Raceland plus the green filter rocks, best sounding by a long way!!

Plus you can get the raceland to fit, mine fits very well

1st March 2008, 17:01

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Originally Posted by riggsy

This has been asked thousands of times before have a search fella.

I have had both on the VTS and can honestly say the Raceland plus the green filter rocks, best sounding by a long way!!

Plus you can get the raceland to fit, mine fits very well

riggsy, riggsy, riggsy. thought youd died

1st March 2008, 20:03

Raceland Green mate, granted its a bit of a fiddle to fit but my local autowise dude took half-an-hour to do it, he's not into mods or anything, just common sense, and believe me it sounds amazing. Not stupid loud or anything but its the only performance mod I've got on my S, and it still turns all the heads whenever I nail it, pulls nicely too. Miles away from standard

2nd March 2008, 01:20

All the enclosed setups will give similar performance gains .. certainly none stand out as better than the rest in this regard

Boils down to cost, fit and finish

BMC is the most expensive, fits well and is of solid construction

Raceland is cheap, takes time to fit well and uses cheaper components

Raceland + Green as above but the filter is replaced with the one out the Green enclosed.

Green Enclosed, Expensive, same build quality as the Raceland, uses more standard parts of the o/e induction and comes with a very good filter

2nd March 2008, 12:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by KamRacing

All the enclosed setups will give similar performance gains .. certainly none stand out as better than the rest in this regard

Boils down to cost, fit and finish

BMC is the most expensive, fits well and is of solid construction

Raceland is cheap, takes time to fit well and uses cheaper components

Raceland + Green as above but the filter is replaced with the one out the Green enclosed.

Green Enclosed, Expensive, same build quality as the Raceland, uses more standard parts of the o/e induction and comes with a very good filter

i presume then that the raceland+green combo is the best bang for buck then?

2nd March 2008, 15:04

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Originally Posted by p-nut

i presume then that the raceland+green combo is the best bang for buck then?

Seems to be the case, I do love the look of the BMC especially with blue silicone hosing but if it doesn't do anything better than Raceland/Green other than looks then my money has to go with the latter and use that £70 on other mods! :d

3rd March 2008, 09:25

saunders, just had another look at the picture of the Raceland/Green on your car mate, it looks as though you needed to buy a bit of extra pipe at the top so it fits?

3rd March 2008, 11:30

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Originally Posted by immense

saunders, just had another look at the picture of the Raceland/Green on your car mate, it looks as though you needed to buy a bit of extra pipe at the top so it fits?

Replied to your PM, but it's just the case of gettin a longer length of silcone hosing which I think Kam Racing supplier with thier kit

3rd March 2008, 12:11

Thanks saunders,

Anyone else got any views or reviews on either kit? more the merrier, hehe!