My Rear Axle ARGH

1. Nathan6301 Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 252 Citroen Saxo VTR 1.6i 8v 2000 (W)

   #1 7th March 2008, 22:42

   Hi all,
   Have posted before about this, the problem is my rear have had the hole back apart looked at bearings (dont look that old) no movement what so ever, looked at the bushes there fine.
   nothing looks out of place, drives fine, but if you look at the pictures the rear wheel on the drivers side look to have a camber more than the passengers side.
   
   now the car has not been lowered or anything like that just whats worries me is that the car is due for an M.O.T april 25th and i dont no if it will fail there are no advisory notices for it
   
   
   
   oh yeah and the crappy lights are off lol
   
   
   
   any help would be great
   
   Cheers
   
   Nath
2. mattg Established Member Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1744

   #2 7th March 2008, 22:50

   can you put up a pic of the whole of the rear of the car so i can compare and see how much difference there is between them. i noticed my camber yesterday for the first time and didnt realise how angled the rear wheels actually are, mine standard suspension too but both wheels are the same.
3. Nathan6301 Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 252 Citroen Saxo VTR 1.6i 8v 2000 (W)

   #3 8th March 2008, 13:31

   Will get more pics up later bud, anyone else have an idea?
4. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #4 8th March 2008, 14:11

   yep thats some funky camber.
   
   id have failed the mot for having the lights LOL!
5. Nathan6301 Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 252 Citroen Saxo VTR 1.6i 8v 2000 (W)

   #5 8th March 2008, 14:16

   Quote:

   id have failed the mot for having the lights LOL

   Me to lol standards look much better smoked jewels next, il just go and take some more pics be back in 10mins lol
6. Nathan6301 Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 252 Citroen Saxo VTR 1.6i 8v 2000 (W)

   #6 8th March 2008, 14:29

   Just looked out the window pissing down with rain lol pics will have to wait
7. marmar Regular Poster Joined: Jul 2004 Huddersfield (England) Posts: 290 mk2 saxo vtr (write off) MK4 Golf 1.8T

   #7 8th March 2008, 14:33

   i had the same problem with mine and that failed the mot.
8. Nathan6301 Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 252 Citroen Saxo VTR 1.6i 8v 2000 (W)

   #8 8th March 2008, 14:36

   What did you so about it MARMAR
9. marmar Regular Poster Joined: Jul 2004 Huddersfield (England) Posts: 290 mk2 saxo vtr (write off) MK4 Golf 1.8T

   #9 8th March 2008, 14:43

   i took it down to shitroen end of november to see if it was just the bearings but they turned round and said that i would need a new axle. two weeks past then got told the part was on back order until after jan. had to get a complete second hand axle from a local scrapers.
10. Nathan6301 Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 252 Citroen Saxo VTR 1.6i 8v 2000 (W)

    #10 8th March 2008, 14:45

    how much did that cost you just for the axle
11. Marcos Established Member Joined: Oct 2007 Heysham Posts: 2371 Transit connect

    #11 8th March 2008, 14:54

    my axle was worse than that but that was cause i went round a corner to fast and back came out and straight into a kerb and it bent bad but i got a axle for £45 2nd hand and then jonezy basiclly fitted it for me as i dint know what to do! try taking your wheel off and see if its scrubbing an were
12. ryhornvtr Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2005 norwich United Kingdom (England) Posts: 821 2003 posi VTS

    #12 8th March 2008, 15:06

    it will be the bearings, or the stub axle could have bent but i doubt it.
13. Nathan6301 Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 252 Citroen Saxo VTR 1.6i 8v 2000 (W)

    #13 8th March 2008, 15:30

    no movement in the bearings, cant see anywhere where the wheel has been rubbing
14. Nathan6301 Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 252 Citroen Saxo VTR 1.6i 8v 2000 (W)

    #14 9th March 2008, 19:57

    any one recomend ideas. Got me driving test 1st of april and if i pass just wana go out in it instead of spending shed loads of money on it. Im quite machanicly minded but this one got me baffled lol
15. nathan0711 Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2008 Scunthorpe, N Lincolnshire Posts: 311 i have a 1998 citroen saxo 1.1i

    #15 10th March 2008, 09:53

    jack the whole back of the car up off the ground and waggle the wheels side to side and up and down, if there is excessive play in the wheel this is an mot failure, if the wheels are solid and have no play it should pass, also check for brake bind while the wheels are off the ground.
    excessive wheel play can be one of two things, tho. it can either be a wheel bearing or the axle itself, axles on saxos, axs ans 106s are prone to going and this means a new axle. check it and see what you feel.
16. Nathan6301 Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 252 Citroen Saxo VTR 1.6i 8v 2000 (W)

    #16 10th March 2008, 11:26

    The Wheel Is solid mate
17. nathan0711 Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2008 Scunthorpe, N Lincolnshire Posts: 311 i have a 1998 citroen saxo 1.1i

    #17 10th March 2008, 11:32

    could be that you just need the wheel camber adjusting then mate
18. Nathan6301 Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 252 Citroen Saxo VTR 1.6i 8v 2000 (W)

    #18 10th March 2008, 11:33

    How do you do that
19. jpsaxo Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast

    #19 10th March 2008, 11:38

    stubb pins have gone, i get them made up - cant get them from citroen or pug.
    
    You will need to whip the beam off, and press the pin in. Then wack the trailing arm back on with new bearings and seals. Jobs a good'un
20. jpsaxo Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast

    #20 10th March 2008, 11:39

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by nathan0711 could be that you just need the wheel camber adjusting then mate

    I'd be interested for you to explain how you do this on a saxo?
21. nathan0711 Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2008 Scunthorpe, N Lincolnshire Posts: 311 i have a 1998 citroen saxo 1.1i

    #21 10th March 2008, 11:39

    there should be some adjustment nuts at the sides of the support brace on the wheels of the axle, this is how you adjust the camber, this is dificult to do though, unless you have a good idea of what your doing probarbly best taking it to a garage. if yours is an axle without adjusters and if fixed theres not a lot you can do.
22. jonezy Established Member Joined: Jul 2007 Carnforth (lancaster) Posts: 1617 55 CTR premier '97 posi vts

    #22 10th March 2008, 11:49

    never saw any of those when i changed sax908's axle, it was rusty as fook tho.
23. Nathan6301 Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 252 Citroen Saxo VTR 1.6i 8v 2000 (W)

    #23 10th March 2008, 11:56

    JPSAXO what can i look at to make sure its this
24. jpsaxo Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast

    #24 10th March 2008, 12:00

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nathan6301 JPSAXO what can i look at to make sure its this

    Take the wheel off, pull the trailing arm off, if the pin's are pitted at all the stubb pins are nackard. I can supply them @ £80. You will need a press to press the new pin in.
    
    Bearings and seals are about £35 per side.
25. Nathan6301 Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 252 Citroen Saxo VTR 1.6i 8v 2000 (W)

    #25 10th March 2008, 12:01

    Quote:

    Take the wheel off, pull the trailing arm off, if the pin's are pitted at all the stubb pins are nackard

    Could you give me some instructions jpsaxo as i will go off and do it now mate
26. jpsaxo Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast

    #26 10th March 2008, 12:02

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by nathan0711 there should be some adjustment nuts at the sides of the support brace on the wheels of the axle, this is how you adjust the camber, this is dificult to do though, unless you have a good idea of what your doing probarbly best taking it to a garage. if yours is an axle without adjusters and if fixed theres not a lot you can do.

    Its funny you say this, we refurb and lower beams every week, and have done for the past couple of years now and i've never seen any such device - on around 100 beams from s1's, gtis to mark one and two saxos...
    
    Have you got any pictures?
27. jpsaxo Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast

    #27 10th March 2008, 12:04

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nathan6301 Could you give me some instructions jpsaxo as i will go off and do it now mate

    pull the wheel off, take the arb out, take the torsion bar's out, and you should about be able to move the trailing arm a sufficiant amount to have a look at the stubb pin (that the trailing arm sits on), while retaining the brake lines etc on. Be careful and take your time - not a 5min job.
28. Nathan6301 Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 252 Citroen Saxo VTR 1.6i 8v 2000 (W)

    #28 10th March 2008, 12:07

    Sorry to sound like a novice, how do i get the torsions out and pics buddy
29. jpsaxo Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast

    #29 10th March 2008, 12:14

    Get a big hammer, a massive screw or you can use a puller of some kind.
30. nathan0711 Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2008 Scunthorpe, N Lincolnshire Posts: 311 i have a 1998 citroen saxo 1.1i

    #30 10th March 2008, 14:25

    sorry people i gave wrong advice. im bad
31. Nathan6301 Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 252 Citroen Saxo VTR 1.6i 8v 2000 (W)

    #31 10th March 2008, 14:30

    Quote:

    sorry people i gave wrong advice. im bad

    Dont worrie mate everyone makes mistakes
32. vtsrich L-plater Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 57

    #32 10th March 2008, 18:23

    looks like the stub axul to me you can by a up rated one from a moter sport place there esey to fit strip the hub down and knock the pin out then put a new one in
33. buzzysax Newbie Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 2

    #33 10th March 2008, 18:51

    hello buddy i work at a vw main dealer and have had this problem with mine and my bros old vtr it the main shaft bearing more commen once lowered but you may not notic any movement up down or side to side but you my notic if you jack the back end up on the sills the pull the wheel as if ur taking it off you might notic a nochy movement eather way the bearing requires replacement hope that helps you
34. jpsaxo Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast

    #34 10th March 2008, 19:27

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vtsrich looks like the stub axul to me you can by a up rated one from a moter sport place there esey to fit strip the hub down and knock the pin out then put a new one in

    info where you can get these from? i dont think your on about the stubb pin (which the bearings sit on)
35. Nathan6301 Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 252 Citroen Saxo VTR 1.6i 8v 2000 (W)

    #35 10th March 2008, 19:43

    JPSAXO are you sure its the stub pin, this morning when we were talking how do i go about removing the arb and torsions to check weather the pin is wanked lol
    
    any pics would be great
36. jpsaxo Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast

    #36 10th March 2008, 20:44

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nathan6301 JPSAXO are you sure its the stub pin, this morning when we were talking how do i go about removing the arb and torsions to check weather the pin is wanked lol any pics would be great

    95%, what do you want pics of???
    
    I told you earlier what to do
37. tif992ss Saxo Breaker Joined: May 2007 Scarborough ,North Yorks Posts: 927 1.1 Saxo with gas ( methane )

    #37 10th March 2008, 20:51

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by nathan0711 there should be some adjustment nuts at the sides of the support brace on the wheels of the axle, this is how you adjust the camber, this is dificult to do though, unless you have a good idea of what your doing probarbly best taking it to a garage. if yours is an axle without adjusters and if fixed theres not a lot you can do.

    pray do tell on this one bud , I'm sure myself and jp would just love to know ?
38. vtsrich L-plater Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 57

    #38 10th March 2008, 21:33

    http://www.shenpar.com/ give them a ring for a stub axul
39. Nathan6301 Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 252 Citroen Saxo VTR 1.6i 8v 2000 (W)

    #39 11th March 2008, 13:42

    I just dont want to brake anything to i need any special tools, to get the arb out and the torsions do i need to take both sides off passengers and drivers side to hit them though ?
40. jpsaxo Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast

    #40 11th March 2008, 14:12

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vtsrich http://www.shenpar.com/ give them a ring for a stub axul

    Rang them, they only do the pins in the trailing arm. Not the actualy stubb pins which in 9/10 case are the part which wear's - through shit lowering techniques and not frequently checking the rear arb plates / seals.
41. Nathan6301 Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 252 Citroen Saxo VTR 1.6i 8v 2000 (W)

    #41 11th March 2008, 14:15

    jpsaxo can u tell me what parts are what never worked on a car with rear torsions set up, trailing arm? etc
    
    I no i keep asking for pics, if you have MSN add me then we can talk better its vipervenom123@hotmail.com
    
    Ta
42. Nathan6301 Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 252 Citroen Saxo VTR 1.6i 8v 2000 (W)

    #42 11th March 2008, 18:01

    Do you think tighting the ARB bolts up will make any difference
43. Nathan6301 Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 252 Citroen Saxo VTR 1.6i 8v 2000 (W)

    #43 11th March 2008, 19:10

    Anyone
44. Nathan6301 Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 252 Citroen Saxo VTR 1.6i 8v 2000 (W)

    #44 12th March 2008, 19:44

    Right i got the ARB out and the seals have gone, i managed to get one of the bolts out of the torsion bar with a little help from a impact driver and pulled the trailing arm off a little and there dosent seem to be any damage to the stubb axle.
    How do i remove the torsions without a slide hammer and one of the bolts on the torsions i just cant get free any ideas?
45. yorkie Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2005 flavalas of york United Kingdom (England) Posts: 8456 gen7 toyota celica

    #45 12th March 2008, 21:00

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Saxo908 i got a axle for £45 2nd hand

    where???? i have been though 4 axles in 3 years and cheapish one £150!!!
    
    ps if anyone got a good one i need one again for a vtr/vts!!!