Vts engine Vtr gearbox

1. saxovtrtom Newbie Joined: Dec 2006 Alford Posts: 29 Saxo Vtr MK2

   #1 7th April 2008, 18:11

   hiya chaps, planning a vts conversion was just wondering if i kept my vtr gearbox if it would set off like a rocket with the vts lump but be slower top end as im not fussed about top end. Thanks tom
2. Matty-VTR Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Cheltenham Posts: 920 Silver VTR & Gunmetal Grey VTR

   #2 7th April 2008, 18:37

   other way round mate
3. saxovtrtom Newbie Joined: Dec 2006 Alford Posts: 29 Saxo Vtr MK2

   #3 7th April 2008, 18:38

   what my vtr engine with a vts box do u mean pal
4. pepper953 Established Member Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 1280

   #4 7th April 2008, 19:29

   vtr box has the highest diff ratio
   therefore you will get a higher top speed
   and less get up and go
5. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

   #5 7th April 2008, 19:59

   have a vts box aswell
6. Roy-VTS Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2007 Plymouth Posts: 621 S2 ERST

   #6 7th April 2008, 20:05

   dont get me wrong it wont be slow with an 'r' box but 0-60 will be reduced as you need to select third to hit 60, in an 's' you dont
7. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

   #7 7th April 2008, 20:31

   buy a vts lol
8. Toad Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can

   #8 7th April 2008, 21:30

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Roy-VTS dont get me wrong it wont be slow with an 'r' box but 0-60 will be reduced as you need to select third to hit 60, in an 's' you dont

   No mate.
   
   You'll hit nearly 70mph in second gear (with a VTS engine limit) using a VTR box. The reason the acelleration will be slower is because of the lower final drive compared to the VTS box, which has a much higher final drive.
9. Tobs Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2005 London Posts: 3416

   #9 7th April 2008, 22:10

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by pepper953 vtr box has the highest diff ratio therefore you will get a higher top speed and less get up and go

   what is the ratio of it btw?
10. gd16 Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2003 Tayside Posts: 893 S/c VT!?

    #10 7th April 2008, 22:16

    VTS FD = 3.938
    VTR FD = 3.765
    
    VTR box = slower acceleration, higher top end (as long as you have the power to get there)
    VTS box = faster acceleration, lower top end
    
    
    But as shown on another forum recently - the gearbox won't make a huge amount of difference to the time it takes you to reach a set speed (0-60) or a set distance (1/4 mile)
11. saxovtrtom Newbie Joined: Dec 2006 Alford Posts: 29 Saxo Vtr MK2

    #11 7th April 2008, 22:18

    thanks chaps
12. saxovtrtom Newbie Joined: Dec 2006 Alford Posts: 29 Saxo Vtr MK2

    #12 7th April 2008, 22:32

    another quick question. i have a 2000 mk2 vtr with the silver top, will a 03 plate vts engine have the same plug ecu as mine.
13. Roy-VTS Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2007 Plymouth Posts: 621 S2 ERST

    #13 7th April 2008, 23:05

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Toad No mate. You'll hit nearly 70mph in second gear (with a VTS engine limit) using a VTR box. The reason the acelleration will be slower is because of the lower final drive compared to the VTS box, which has a much higher final drive.

    oh rite fair enuff my understanding was that no matter what engine you had in the car you gearbox would ultimately decide when you had to change gear (i know it sounds silly) eg a 1.1 with a 1.1 gearbox would change gear at the same revs as a vts with a 1.1 gearbox. My understanding was you couldnt hit 60 in a vtr in second???? maybe its my mistake though lol
14. Ste Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Yorkshire Posts: 5415 Saxo

    #14 7th April 2008, 23:31

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Roy-VTS oh rite fair enuff my understanding was that no matter what engine you had in the car you gearbox would ultimately decide when you had to change gear (i know it sounds silly) eg a 1.1 with a 1.1 gearbox would change gear at the same revs as a vts with a 1.1 gearbox. My understanding was you couldnt hit 60 in a vtr in second???? maybe its my mistake though lol

    Well the VTR has a limiter of around urrrrrrmmmm i dunno its late so if this is wrong then - but i think;
    
    VTR has limiter at around 7250rpm but the VTS has a limiter of around 7850rpm.
    
    And iirc in a VTR in 2nd on the limiter you do 59mph (even if the speedo shows 65 lol).... so those extra few revs make alllll the difference.
15. jonezy Established Member Joined: Jul 2007 Carnforth (lancaster) Posts: 1617 55 CTR premier '97 posi vts

    #15 7th April 2008, 23:48

    vtr rev limit is 6250
    vts is 7250 i think
16. Critch_VTR Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2008 Wirral Posts: 188 106 saxo VTR

    #16 8th April 2008, 00:35

    personally id go with the VTS gearbox shouldent be that expensive to do and you probably could fit it yourself
17. gd16 Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2003 Tayside Posts: 893 S/c VT!?

    #17 8th April 2008, 01:24

    Quote:

    oh rite fair enuff my understanding was that no matter what engine you had in the car you gearbox would ultimately decide when you had to change gear (i know it sounds silly)

    Rev limit ultimatly decides when you need to change gear, or when the power drops off.
    
    Two different engines (IE 1.1 and VTS) with exactly the same gearbox/tyre sizes will go at the same speed for a given rpm. However - the VTS will be able to rev higher. Therefore for the same gearbox, a higher rev limit means a higher speed in each gear (assuming you've got the power to overcome drag/ wind resistance etc)
18. Toad Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can

    #18 8th April 2008, 12:01

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Roy-VTS oh rite fair enuff my understanding was that no matter what engine you had in the car you gearbox would ultimately decide when you had to change gear (i know it sounds silly) eg a 1.1 with a 1.1 gearbox would change gear at the same revs as a vts with a 1.1 gearbox. My understanding was you couldnt hit 60 in a vtr in second???? maybe its my mistake though lol

    The engine and its limiter will determine the RPM you can go up to. The different gearboxes will then determine the speed achievable at a specific RPM. Therefore, the VTR (car and gearbox) cannot reach such a high speed in second gear due to its RPM limit being set so much lower than a VTS engine. Does that make sense?
19. Toad Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can

    #19 8th April 2008, 12:03

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by gd16 Rev limit ultimatly decides when you need to change gear, or when the power drops off. Two different engines (IE 1.1 and VTS) with exactly the same gearbox/tyre sizes will go at the same speed for a given rpm. However - the VTS will be able to rev higher. Therefore for the same gearbox, a higher rev limit means a higher speed in each gear (assuming you've got the power to overcome drag/ wind resistance etc)

    Exactly, well said.