Most commen fault in a saxo vtr/vts/1.0/1.4 engine? (DISCUSSION TOPIC)

1. djmartin Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2006 Near Hull Posts: 8405 BMW 3.0 X3,toyota mr2 & Skyline R33

   #1 15th April 2008, 19:53

   I have seen alot of people asking about idle problems etc etc and most of it comes down to the coil pack and lambda sensors even I have asked questions myself.
   
   I would like to know what really is the most commen faults with saxo engines be it something that has happend to your saxo or maybe to a friends?
   
   Discuss
2. DaxVTR Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 lichfield Posts: 531 Saxo VTS

   #2 15th April 2008, 19:56

   my most common problem... is the actual engine
3. Rogz Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2007 Sunderland Posts: 726 Banned.

   #3 15th April 2008, 19:56

   Before it kicks off, id say the most common problem isnt on the engines?
4. DAN-VTS Established Member Joined: Feb 2007 Kent, Medway Posts: 1274 NA 220hp standard - proper car, Yamaha R6

   #4 15th April 2008, 19:58

   Alarm ultrasonics on the vts!
   
   Engines are pretty good to be fair to shitroen, there is alot of worse engines out there
   
   woop 1k postage
5. djmartin Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2006 Near Hull Posts: 8405 BMW 3.0 X3,toyota mr2 & Skyline R33

   #5 15th April 2008, 19:59

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Rogz Before it kicks off, id say the most common problem isnt on the engines?

   i agree but there is a hell of alot of threads floating about on topics such as idle problems, car cutting out etc etc that to me tells me there must be some faults in the engine if loads of these threads keep popping up even I have added a thread about coil packs lols.
   
   im just curious to see how many times certain problems people say pop up in this thread as it will clearly show what issues there are and maybe people can add to this thread the solutions to the problems instead of loads of people posting the same threads over and over and over
6. DaxVTR Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 lichfield Posts: 531 Saxo VTS

   #6 15th April 2008, 20:02

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Rogz Before it kicks off, id say the most common problem isnt on the engines?

   if were getting all technooo i quess its the electrics most the time which i would conisder part of the engine
   
   ive got a heater fan problem as well which ive spent quite alot trying to fix, flushed system, bled valves, had it diognostic checked everrryyythhhhinngg but it stil there.. only thhing i havent done is a compression test but ive lost no performace or anything
7. djmartin Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2006 Near Hull Posts: 8405 BMW 3.0 X3,toyota mr2 & Skyline R33

   #7 15th April 2008, 20:30

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by DaxVTR ive got a heater fan problem as well which ive spent quite alot trying to fix, flushed system, bled valves, had it diognostic checked everrryyythhhhinngg but it stil there.. only thhing i havent done is a compression test but ive lost no performace or anything

   
   thats a new one to me never heard that problem before.
   
   other problems I know of and heard loads about
   
   -air bag light coming on usally its the cables under your seats
   -seats coming loose and wabbling
   -front wings always seem to dent themselfs lol
   -fuel pump problems
   -sun roof leaking
   
   there just a thew I know and have heard of on most saxo models.
8. Rogz Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2007 Sunderland Posts: 726 Banned.

   #8 15th April 2008, 21:31

   Saxos have always been built to budgit really... so some people do get those 'Monday morning' cars! The engine should never really fail as long as its serviced (And i mean by a real mechnaic... not dave up the road!)
   
   But yeah electrics are always a problem usually. Sometimes i think its the same accross all cars. I had a intermitent fault on my clio with the PAS... it would flicker on and off and turn itself on and off... it always made it interesting going round a round about at speed lol! Never did find out what was wrong with it!
   
   
   in my honest opinion, i think enthusiasts (E.I all the saxp members) should be true enthusiasts! So when something goes wrong with the engine they have atleast a roguh idea of what is or was. rather than just saying it worked fine yesterday... So maybe part of the problem is the users, making it harder for the helpful ppl to problem solve
   
   Sorry for picking the thread to bits there mate! But its going to be hard putting it together since everyones problem will sound different depending on how its typed out!
9. Rogz Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2007 Sunderland Posts: 726 Banned.

   #9 15th April 2008, 21:32

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by DaxVTR if were getting all technooo i quess its the electrics most the time which i would conisder part of the engine ive got a heater fan problem as well which ive spent quite alot trying to fix, flushed system, bled valves, had it diognostic checked everrryyythhhhinngg but it stil there.. only thhing i havent done is a compression test but ive lost no performace or anything

   Whats the actual problem? not working at all or intermitent?
10. 3cott Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2008 Rotherham Posts: 4614 Black mk2 vts

    #10 15th April 2008, 21:39

    i just seem to have problems with ROTT,my heater,an back axels. what about you people?
11. Dasher_VTR Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2007 Swanley,Kent Posts: 866 saxo vtr

    #11 15th April 2008, 21:52

    i agree with the wings denting themselves lol.
12. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #12 15th April 2008, 22:25

    they are bomb proof near enough I know the 1.1 alloy mpi blocks take 18psi f boost quite happily
13. Roy-VTS Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2007 Plymouth Posts: 621 S2 ERST

    #13 15th April 2008, 22:31

    heater
    
    PAS pump
    
    Lumpy idle
    
    sensitive alarm
    
    Airbag lights
    thats my car for you lol
14. Nij Yorkshire Joined: Apr 2008 Brighouse, W. Yorks Posts: 3699 Citroen C4 VTR Coupe Porsche 924

    #14 15th April 2008, 23:47

    Well by the sound of it (from the garage i took my VTR to) the coil packs seam to have issues.
15. RCD-Performance Established Member Joined: Dec 2007 Southampton Posts: 2278

    #15 15th April 2008, 23:49

    IDLE! IDLE! IDLE! lol
16. djmartin Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2006 Near Hull Posts: 8405 BMW 3.0 X3,toyota mr2 & Skyline R33

    #16 16th April 2008, 00:00

    least im seein a pattern here most people are saying Coil pack.
    
    which of course usally makes your idle poo to along with the idle control unit been shagged.
    
    so Nij how much did you pay for your coil pack?
    I paid £64 for mine brand new of course.
17. craigant Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2007 warrington Posts: 546 1993 Toyota Starlet GT Turbo did have 1999 Vtr

    #17 16th April 2008, 00:15

    1. alternator packed up
    2. battery kept dying
    3.have to have the sidelights on to listen to my music otherwise it says error on my head unit when i press the brake! (dodgy electrics)
    4.got a slight oil leak
    5. airbag light
    
    thats whats happened to my vtr since last august not to bad i dont think could have been so much worse.
18. Gabbastard Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2002 United Kingdom Posts: 8390

    #18 16th April 2008, 00:16

    Early ones,
    
    shite ignition switch
    coils on vts
19. Predator_R32p Super Moderator Joined: Mar 2003 Durham (England) Posts: 37932 1. AX 2. Mk2 Saxo VTR 3. MK4 R32 DBP

    #19 16th April 2008, 00:24

    id have to so lumpy idle and coilpacks going
20. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #20 16th April 2008, 06:34

    can be arsed to read all the posts. but id say there are no problems with teh engine apart from leaky rocker cover seals. its the electronics that cause most the problems imo.
21. beardy Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2006 isle of wight Posts: 761 Impreza STI - Saxo GTI

    #21 16th April 2008, 09:24

    stepper motor and coil pack, it like citreon have desinged them to go around the 70-80k mark lol.
    
    ive gone though 3 stepper motors, and my mate 2 lol
22. ThegreenVTR Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2007 Cambridge Posts: 440 VW Golf MK 4 GTI Turbo + Kawasaki Custom Supermoto

    #22 16th April 2008, 09:30

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DaxVTR if were getting all technooo i quess its the electrics most the time which i would conisder part of the engine ive got a heater fan problem as well which ive spent quite alot trying to fix, flushed system, bled valves, had it diognostic checked everrryyythhhhinngg but it stil there.. only thhing i havent done is a compression test but ive lost no performace or anything

    is there just no heat or is the fan not working?
23. hard_corejoeboy Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2007 Southend, Essex/Thetford, Norfolk Posts: 4203 Seat Mii Toca/VW Polo Gti 6c 1.8 turbo

    #23 16th April 2008, 09:58

    Injector loom
    Coil pack
24. djmartin Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2006 Near Hull Posts: 8405 BMW 3.0 X3,toyota mr2 & Skyline R33

    #24 16th April 2008, 11:40

    my god coil pack six people so far have said about them having problems.
    
    this tells me can someone put the codes up to buy them from citreon.
    as there are two coil packs for a vtr black plug and a grey plug version.
25. hard_corejoeboy Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2007 Southend, Essex/Thetford, Norfolk Posts: 4203 Seat Mii Toca/VW Polo Gti 6c 1.8 turbo

    #25 16th April 2008, 16:51

    I read a review of Saxo in a what car or something similar mag apparantly the only problems it suffers from is ignition problems and exhaust...
26. RyVTR Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Crewe Posts: 187 Ph2 VTS

    #26 16th April 2008, 17:06

    cacky gearboxes??
27. DaxVTR Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 lichfield Posts: 531 Saxo VTS

    #27 16th April 2008, 17:10

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rogz Whats the actual problem? not working at all or intermitent?

    nope, it works alright comes on everytime i go for a little drive or a long drive comes on when im sitting in traffic comes on when i turn the car off and leave it alone, i havent had one jurney which is less then 10 miles where it hasnt come on.. it will heat over half way extreamly quickly
28. daveg1 Established Member Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 1243 Saxo VTR

    #28 16th April 2008, 17:33

    over heating problems, and having to bleed it all the time
29. Narbar Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2008 Stafford Posts: 147 Saxo VTR MK2, BMW 318is

    #29 16th April 2008, 18:09

    i hear fuel pumps are a common problem, and i experience it yesterday! lmao
30. vtr130 Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2279

    #30 16th April 2008, 18:32

    GEARBOX FTW
31. AlexR Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2004 Kunt & Sorrey Posts: 5763 Rep mobiles & Joes ma

    #31 16th April 2008, 20:10

    As williams said it's the electrics that are a problem
32. ThegreenVTR Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2007 Cambridge Posts: 440 VW Golf MK 4 GTI Turbo + Kawasaki Custom Supermoto

    #32 16th April 2008, 22:38

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DaxVTR nope, it works alright comes on everytime i go for a little drive or a long drive comes on when im sitting in traffic comes on when i turn the car off and leave it alone, i havent had one jurney which is less then 10 miles where it hasnt come on.. it will heat over half way extreamly quickly

    try rebleeding the rad make sure you undo the small breather at the back of the engine typical citroen design LOL! To fill the rad cut a two litre coke bottle in half and use it as a header tank keep filling until water comes out of the small bleed nipple near the back of the engine that i said to undo then stop and syphon excess fluid out down to maximum level in the rad. Hope this helps mate any questions pm me.
33. ThegreenVTR Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2007 Cambridge Posts: 440 VW Golf MK 4 GTI Turbo + Kawasaki Custom Supermoto

    #33 16th April 2008, 22:39

    coil packs, sensors and lumpy idle
34. Ryyy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2008 UK Posts: 5219 Too poor.

    #34 16th April 2008, 22:58

    If there ain't Problems in the engine...Where is there Problems lo0l?
35. djmartin Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2006 Near Hull Posts: 8405 BMW 3.0 X3,toyota mr2 & Skyline R33

    #35 16th April 2008, 23:04

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by OoORaZzAOoO If there ain't Problems in the engine...Where is there Problems lo0l?

    as already said
    
    -air bag light coming on usally its the cables under your seats
    -seats coming loose and wabbling
    -front wings always seem to dent themselfs lol
    -fuel pump problems
    -sun roof leaking
    
    to add to list
    
    -ignition
    -coil pack
    -electrics wire loom
    -power steering pump
36. ThegreenVTR Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2007 Cambridge Posts: 440 VW Golf MK 4 GTI Turbo + Kawasaki Custom Supermoto

    #36 16th April 2008, 23:06

    dont forget just good ol french build quality!
37. djmartin Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2006 Near Hull Posts: 8405 BMW 3.0 X3,toyota mr2 & Skyline R33

    #37 16th April 2008, 23:11

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ThegreenVTR dont forget just good ol french build quality!

    the build of the saxo goes with my name lmao
    
    MARTIN OF BEANS bahahahahaha
    
    in other words there a tin lol
38. kylie Established Member Joined: Feb 2008 ming ming n.e lincs Posts: 1155 citroen saxo furio 1.4 black

    #38 16th April 2008, 23:53

    mine probably fuel pump (atleast i think that's what it is) sometimes feels like not gettin enough fuel in.
    or electrics but you get that with most cars dont ya?
    
    apart from that i dont really have many problems at all/
39. Sidvish69 Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 189

    #39 17th April 2008, 10:26

    1. idle
    2. head gasket!
    3. airbag light.
40. Sidvish69 Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 189

    #40 17th April 2008, 10:29

    o ye and ignition!
41. AdamH Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2004 South Posts: 3638

    #41 17th April 2008, 14:01

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ThegreenVTR To fill the rad cut a two litre coke bottle in half and use it as a header tank keep filling until water

    
    AGHHH.. for the sake of 24 quid get a propper header tank that ensures that NO air is getting it causing you bleeding problems...
    
    engine section, guides..
42. SaxoVTRacer Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2007 LEEDS / BLACKBURN Posts: 307 Ford Escort mk6 1.4 HCS Ford Fiesta MK3 Classic 1

    #42 17th April 2008, 17:26

    got a vtr and ive replaced the main heater fan, fan switch in radiator, got system checked before just to make sure and found radiator wire was broken lol since not had any problems except the shit battery fitted by the past owner replaced my cars looking up ull see
43. beardy Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2006 isle of wight Posts: 761 Impreza STI - Saxo GTI

    #43 17th April 2008, 18:51

    oh yea gearbox as well.
44. ajay01386 Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2008 worcestershire Posts: 165 saxo vtr mk1, e46 BMW, saxo vtr/s mk2, mazda rx-8

    #44 18th April 2008, 07:31

    the most annoying problem with my saxo is when the immobiliser chooses to not turn off! some people have told me its the transponder aerial but the garage are still trying to work it out!
45. phillyc Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2008 torquay (devon) Posts: 269 saxo 02 vtr straight through exhaust

    #45 18th April 2008, 09:43

    my coil pack has broke, battery light flashes on and off sometimes on bumpy roads and passenger electric window broke so I would say electrics
46. djmartin Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2006 Near Hull Posts: 8405 BMW 3.0 X3,toyota mr2 & Skyline R33

    #46 20th April 2008, 13:59

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by phillyc my coil pack has broke, battery light flashes on and off sometimes on bumpy roads and passenger electric window broke so I would say electrics

    nice list that mate lol.
    
    just had my coil pack done myself and car runs sweet as a nut now
47. Jungle_Jimm Forum Section Moderator Joined: Jan 2004 Abingdon, Oxfordshire, United Kingdom (England) Posts: 5082 RX8, Cliosport 197

    #47 20th April 2008, 15:52

    most idle problems can be solved with the help of this thread
    http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51637
48. Strike6 Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 106

    #48 7th May 2008, 15:38

    As mentioned before, the coil packs are pretty sh*te on Saxo's. Ive been researching into why my car wont idle properly with misfiring issues etc and along the way I have found out that Sagem make a coil pack for the Saxo (supplied as a genuine part from Citroen) thats prone to spiking and ECU and frying it.
    
    A word of advice, if you are looking at replacing your coil packs, make sure they are manufactured by Bougicord and NOT Sagem, despite whether you're buying them from Citroen or not :-)
49. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #49 7th May 2008, 16:25

    Annoying rattles when going over bumps,you can feel every bump or pot hole.
    
    
    Steve.
50. eoey Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2007 dublin Posts: 768 saxo vts- r5 raider

    #50 7th May 2008, 16:37

    main problem normally exsists between seat and steering wheels tbh
51. pjm300 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2005 Potters Bar United Kingdom (England) Posts: 2749 T/B'd VTS

    #51 7th May 2008, 16:39

    they dont go quick enough