Saxo BMC CDA induction kit

31st May 2008, 23:50

Hi i buying a BMC CDA induction kit of a mate cheap, but i can't find any reveiws on the filter.It is meat to be really good & gives a good power gain. is this true

31st May 2008, 23:52

not much power gain maybe 2-3bhp but is very well built and easy to fit

1st June 2008, 00:03

right - a air filter just filters the air, if a gain is made is probaly because your old filter was naffed, a supercharger / turbo charger sucks in a VERY VERY LOT of air in order to make your car faster , so how is replaceing a filter going to make bhp figures higher - simple answer is - its not.

the best thing i would say is routeing the air to the intake from a colder place but its still not been forced in so its not going to do very much ...

harsh on people who spend 150 pounds on a " forced air " induction kit because they do diddle squat.. 150 pounds could be spend on something that'll actualy give a help towards a gain like a gmc free power unit or a manifold upgrade.

1st June 2008, 00:07

they do help a bit
they allow a free flow of air in rather than kinking it about all round the bay

but you will only see a small gain tbh

1st June 2008, 00:10

better for noise tbh

1st June 2008, 00:13

IF you got a gain , it'll be very very small and not worth 100 pounds or more.

a standard air filter and k&n panel filter would be cheaper. they get a direct cold air feed from the front of the car, better than most after market filters give you.

i have a k&n filter... behind my passangers drivers light, but it doesnt go direct to my intake , it takes a miss route throw my c74 supercharger first

1st June 2008, 00:13

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Originally Posted by 2000vtr

right - a air filter just filters the air, if a gain is made is probaly because your old filter was naffed, a supercharger / turbo charger sucks in a VERY VERY LOT of air in order to make your car faster , so how is replaceing a filter going to make bhp figures higher - simple answer is - its not.

the best thing i would say is routeing the air to the intake from a colder place but its still not been forced in so its not going to do very much ...

harsh on people who spend 150 pounds on a " forced air " induction kit because they do diddle squat.. 150 pounds could be spend on something that'll actualy give a help towards a gain like a gmc free power unit or a manifold upgrade.

not the braniest thing ive heard.. you clearly didnt read the "big induction kit thread" they help air flow, they are not just there to icrease bhp allthough will add a little bit to the engine.. and whats the point of adding loads of mods to your car if the engines not getting enough air to run efficiently

1st June 2008, 00:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2000vtr

IF you got a gain , it'll be very very small and not worth 100 pounds or more.

a standard air filter and k&n panel filter would be cheaper. they get a direct cold air feed from the front of the car, better than most after market filters give you.

you can use feed from the point that sucks air through a bmc mate

i did it and it was crap
ran better with no feed (dyno proven at chipwizards) bit ideally you want a nice straight feed (like how people use morrets and drop a lamp out)

1st June 2008, 00:20

lol ashly.

well , a standard vtr/s 1.1 what ever has a good enough air box as standard, and to replace the filter in there is peanuts... no i have not read a thread and to be honest , who ever thinks there getting 3 , 4 ,5 bhp or what ever from an air filter is funny....

its like people go ohhh manifold 10 bhp , exhaust 10 bhp , airfilter 5 bhp ooo now my cars 25bhp higher.. hahaha.

even if a car was tested on a rolling road unless it was the same temp all the time your going to get different bhp outputs as you probaly know the colder the air the better, hense intercoolers...

Alex, would you buy new head lights and a induction kit totaling to over 200 yes? to hope you gain 2bhp. for forced induction yess as it makes a difference but a standard car isnt having air forced in...

i no this because before my s/c i did try a couple of filters my self.. not worth wasting money .. fill your tank will less fuel , go on a diet , remove loose change cds general crap from the car and youve got as much chance of getting more gain than an air filter

1st June 2008, 00:23

put your handbags away ladies this arguement is going no where

1st June 2008, 00:26

yea i know that mate
but im saying with that feed running cold air in it was restrictive
was running constant high 148s took that off it ran constant low 150s

with some more adjustments got 152
put the feed back on
150 again

so they do affect it quite a bit
im not here claiming the bmc gave me the extra 2bhp
im asaying the feed to it is whats important

the standard vts feed is about as straight as graham norton
if you use like a bmc or similar you want a good straight feed

thats all im trying to say

agreeing with 97 here too its a pointless arguement but hey it stops me being bored lol

1st June 2008, 00:28

bassically the striahgter you can get the cold air feed the better the air flow will be hence 1-2bhp more RANT OVER lol

1st June 2008, 00:30

at least some1 gets what im trying to say lol

1st June 2008, 00:30

but your combinding things there , 150 id says vts cammed manifold exhaust yes? then thats like a " package " yes without an air filter is always going to get more air in, but then no matter what make air filter you buy its still filtering air so cant get as much throw as easy / as fast . and it isnt near the exhaust either, most air filters go near the manifold / rad lots of hot air, running no intake filter was probaly better for the fact it had cooler air i bet

- last post lol.

1st June 2008, 00:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2000vtr

but your combinding things there , 150 id says vts cammed manifold exhaust yes? then thats like a " package " yes without an air filter is always going to get more air in, but then no matter what make air filter you buy its still filtering air so cant get as much throw as easy / as fast . and it isnt near the exhaust either, most air filters go near the manifold / rad lots of hot air, running no intake filter was probaly better for the fact it had cooler air i bet

- last post lol.

thats where carbon enclosed filters come in mate theres no heat soak becuase carbon is heat resistant

1st June 2008, 00:38

also had heat wrapped mani ect on mine

and you seem to think i took the whole filter off i didnt
just the feed to it

1st June 2008, 00:39

ok well, a meter of heat resistance flexihose from demon tweaks will do then locate that to were ever you want. 25 quid... better than 100 quid and when you realise its not doing much you can go phewww glad i only wasted 25 and not 125.. lol

1st June 2008, 00:44

true
small fact though
cant run an omp upper brace with the standard airbox hence i swapped to the bmc as its smaller

there not a waste of money in cetrain circumstances they are good
im not saying panel filteers are crap
i know of good figurs being pulled on panel filters fed properly

im just saying feed it straight

1st June 2008, 00:45

if your going to mod - be a man and use some form of boost. lol

1st June 2008, 00:47

some people like the challenge of getting n/a power (not that its hard and yes bhp per quid boost will get more)

but id rather stay n/a

1st June 2008, 13:29

turbo costs alot more i think,

a decent turbo conversion is alot more than n/a mods i.e. t/b's etc.

or am i wrong? Citunung charge £3,500 for the half decent turbo conversion (stage 3??)

1st June 2008, 14:21

this is the info i have read on the site...

for the ammount of BHP you get from a N/A set up, it does make you wonder whether you should have gone down the turbo/super charge route.

But....most people will say that a N/A is the better set up to get, more reliable etc and not as expensive to fix as turbo/super charger.

Most prefer the noise of a N/A engine (i do) and will go down the N/A route...others (like 2000vtr) prefer the turbo/supercharger noise, and will go down that route.

I have heard that the standard airbox with a green filter is just as good as an enclosed induction (BMC, Raceland etc)...at the end of the day...its up to the modder whether they want to spend money on an induction kit.

2000vtr - if you can prove that an enclosed induction kit does NOT add any BHP then do so...because all your saying is it isnt...you havent actually shown any proof. Show reasonable proof and people will change their opinions im sure...dont start an arguement because you dont agree with someones opinion.

i believe a BMC/Racland will make a TINY increase in BHP, but nothing noticeable...Inductions are usually bought for the noise factor IMO

1st June 2008, 14:27

And also show us this supercharged beat of yours, as at the minute your all mouth tbh!

1st June 2008, 15:38

^^ lol well. what do you want as proof, a picture or for me to dust you in your 8 valve

also guess your a air filter lover... oh ye or dust your mg zr as ive done a good few of them aswell.

1st June 2008, 15:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2000vtr

^^ lol well. what do you want as proof, a picture or for me to dust you in your 8 valve

also guess your a air filter lover... oh ye or dust your mg zr as ive done a good few of them aswell.

oh god...here we go...im not interested in racing you dude...

at the end of the day...people have opinions, you think inductions dont do anything, others do...if you want to change their opinions then prove it...otherwise people will stick with their opinions....

1st June 2008, 16:06

ok well lets chance the phrase of what im saying - money can be spent else were which would be more usefull

if you have a manifold and exhaust, buying an airfilter sorta makes you feel good as you think its an addition performance, but at the end of the day, if you want a power increase , cams and remap before anything really expensive, like said earlier, the noise is what you really get - suppose its cool when you go from no noise to a roar, my filter sounds as if it could suck a bus up there.

1st June 2008, 16:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2000vtr

^^ lol well. what do you want as proof, a picture or for me to dust you in your 8 valve

also guess your a air filter lover... oh ye or dust your mg zr as ive done a good few of them aswell.

Well yea, please come along and do that, but i shalt have the last laff when i "dust" you in my Rotax Go-Kart!

Never said i want to race you, just said show proof of what you boasting about. Yes i have an 8v, problem? yes i have a ZR, problem? Facts are they amount to more moneys worth than your car!

I would not race you on the road anyways, no point, would race you on a track no problem, fancy it? you in your "beast" and me in what ever i fancy using?

Make it a nice tight and twisty track, where your aparent "beasts" power will not come into the equation.....

Although, pictures will do, from a camera of yours and not google, as it is rather obvious your just a jumped up little PR**K

Goodbye

1st June 2008, 16:35

too right karl well said..his mouth is bigger than his engine in this case

1st June 2008, 16:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by 97vtr

too right karl well said..his mouth is bigger than his engine in this case

It would apear so, i dont care WHAT i drive, i like my 8v and it makes me smile

Like i said, tight twisty track would do me great, then its totally down to the driver, and i no im good on a track...

Although i guess he "lives his life a 1/4 mile at a time"

1st June 2008, 16:53

So what this twat is basically saying is that the standard airbox is perfectly good and is not restrictive in any way and that ALL induction kits do NOTHING.

Im sorry mate but thats bullshit.

This is the closest this to 'proof' i could find. Its not a saxo (fiest ST) but hey, nevermind.

"In May's Fast Ford they did a test with different kits on the standard car.

They looked at the BHP and torque gains and also the Air Charge Temperature (ACT), apparently for every 1 degree c increase, your car can lose between 0.5 - 1 BHP!

For everyone who didnt buy it I have listed all the gains and results...

Test 1 - K&N 33-2280 Panel Filter
BHP Gain: 2.2 bhp
Torque Gain: 0.96 lbf.ft
Lowest ACTs: 29.4 degrees c
Score: 4/10

Test 2 - Pipercross 1622 Panel Filter
BHP Gain: 2.38 bhp
Torque Gain: 0.52 lbf.ft
Lowest ACTs: 30.2 degrees c
Score: 4/10

Test 3 - K&N 57i Induction Kit 57-0631
BHP Gain: 11.01 bhp
Torque Gain: 7.9 lbf.ft
Lowest ACTs: 18.2 degrees c
Score: 9/10

Test 4 - Pipercross PK-308 Induction Kit
BHP Gain: 10.4 bhp
Torque Gain: 6.02 lbf.ft
Lowest ACTs: 19.2 degrees c
Score: 8/10

Test 5 - Green Induction Kit SS-015
BHP Gain: 10.42 bhp
Torque Gain: 6.55 lbf.ft
Lowest ACTs: 24 degrees c
Score: 7/10

Test 6 - Simota CB-416 (This is an enclosed induction kit, like the viper)
BHP Gain: 8.73 bhp
Torque Gain: 6.95 lbf.ft
Lowest ACTs: 19.2 degrees c
Score: 6/10

Test 7 - Powertec Induction Kit PT12-35
BHP Gain: 10.68 bhp
Torque Gain: 7.17 lbf.ft
Lowest ACTs: 20.5 degrees c
Score: 9/10"

WAAYYYY!!! POINT PROVEN.

Look at the gains from sealed induction kits mate. And no, the standard air box definately isnt good.

1st June 2008, 16:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2000vtr

my filter sounds as if it could suck a bus up there.

And after all that, saying how bad induction kits are, he comes out and says he has an IK!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saxo_89

Although, pictures will do, from a camera of yours and not google, as it is rather obvious your just a jumped up little PR**K

Goodbye

AGREED and repped. He probably hasnt passed his test yet and thinks he knows it all lmao.