Engine transplant

1. groom_vtr Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Suffolk Posts: 326

   #1 2nd June 2008, 21:20

   I have a Y-reg (3pin?) VTR at the moment. It is approaching 96k miles, so I have an idea for a transplant.
   
   The the thing is I do not really want to go for a VTS swap due to many things, insurance, tax, insurance, parts, insurance etc
   
   What I was thinking of doing is buying myself a lower mileage VTR engine and having a few bits and bobs done to it before dropping it in place.
   
   I would just like to know whether firstly, this would be worth doing? And secondly, will it be cheaper than putting in a totally different engine to the one that my car was designed for?
   
   Any help/advice/prices much appreciated!
   
   Lewis
2. Dez Established Member Joined: Oct 2007 Shoreham By Sea near Brighton Posts: 2065 saxo vt*

   #2 2nd June 2008, 21:27

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by groom_vtr I have a Y-reg (3pin?) VTR at the moment. It is approaching 96k miles, so I have an idea for a transplant. The the thing is I do not really want to go for a VTS swap due to many things, insurance, tax, insurance, parts, insurance etc What I was thinking of doing is buying myself a lower mileage VTR engine and having a few bits and bobs done to it before dropping it in place. I would just like to know whether firstly, this would be worth doing? And secondly, will it be cheaper than putting in a totally different engine to the one that my car was designed for? Any help/advice/prices much appreciated! Lewis

   Hello,
   
   If you bought a farily low milaged VTR engine then yes in my opinion it would be worth doing, if your not wanting to pay the extra costs for a VTS engine then it really is your ownly option... However.... If you were to buy a 3 plug VTS engine then the swap would be quite stright forward and it would really be no different from fitting another VTR engine apart from a few bits here and there.
   
   In my advice i would say save up and drop the S engine in there, i know this from experience as ive just had mine done . Do not believe there is much difference in the price of parts between an S & R. is only really insurance, tax and petrol depending on how you drive.
   
   If you do want a VTR engine i know RCD performance on here have one which has covered around 56k, as this was my old engine before i had my conversion done.
   
   Hope that helps
3. Sean Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2005 St Andrews United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 7384 Green mk1 vtr/s and Focus zetec

   #3 2nd June 2008, 21:35

   in my opinion pointless dropping another vtr engine in, yours will see another 30k if looked after properly and serviced regularly.
4. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

   #4 2nd June 2008, 21:38

   as above. or just buy a new one
5. groom_vtr Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Suffolk Posts: 326

   #5 2nd June 2008, 21:41

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by bullit as above. or just buy a new one

   Buy a new what?
6. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

   #6 2nd June 2008, 21:42

   car,,, lol
7. Dez Established Member Joined: Oct 2007 Shoreham By Sea near Brighton Posts: 2065 saxo vt*

   #7 2nd June 2008, 21:43

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by bullit car,,, lol

   yea that is an option, but if your like me and become attached to your car then you want to keep it and just drop a newer engine in her gaping hole
8. groom_vtr Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Suffolk Posts: 326

   #8 2nd June 2008, 21:47

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by bullit car,,, lol

   Fair enough, but if I wanted to buy a new car I wouldn't have bothered asking about an engine swap!
   
   I want to do it to firstly, keep the car, and just get the satisfaction out having something different!
   
   Along with my wheels
9. Dez Established Member Joined: Oct 2007 Shoreham By Sea near Brighton Posts: 2065 saxo vt*

   #9 2nd June 2008, 21:49

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by groom_vtr Fair enough, but if I wanted to buy a new car I wouldn't have bothered asking about an engine swap! I want to do it to firstly, keep the car, and just get the satisfaction out having something different! Along with my wheels

   Def go for the VTS engine mate, you will never look back.
   
   Ok granted it will work out more expensive on the insurance and tax, but hey you wouldnt drink CO-OP own coke if you could have the real coke would you?
10. groom_vtr Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Suffolk Posts: 326

    #10 2nd June 2008, 21:57

    I'm just undecided, slowly got the money creeping up for basically either what I would want.
    
    The thing I'd like is just to have a tuned VTR engine, even if it is only as quick as a VTS, but it's a VTR. Weird idea lol
11. Dez Established Member Joined: Oct 2007 Shoreham By Sea near Brighton Posts: 2065 saxo vt*

    #11 2nd June 2008, 21:58

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by groom_vtr I'm just undecided, slowly got the money creeping up for basically either what I would want. The thing I'd like is just to have a tuned VTR engine, even if it is only as quick as a VTS, but it's a VTR. Weird idea lol

    vts engine in a vtr is quicker
12. groom_vtr Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Suffolk Posts: 326

    #12 2nd June 2008, 22:03

    But having spoken to RCD, I could be pushing up to 150bhp with what I want to do to the VTR
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dez vts engine in a vtr is quicker

13. Dez Established Member Joined: Oct 2007 Shoreham By Sea near Brighton Posts: 2065 saxo vt*

    #13 3rd June 2008, 00:14

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by groom_vtr But having spoken to RCD, I could be pushing up to 150bhp with what I want to do to the VTR

    yes true, but it depends what way you look at it, i was in 2 minds like you are.
    
    1. the VTR starts off will less BHP so already your playing catch up
    
    2. You mentioned how you dont want to pay extra cost in insurance, having a VTR thats pushing out 150bhp will be expensive on insurance and how much is it going to set you back to get to 150 bhp? when you could just stick a vts lump in there, stick with that for a bit and then starting looking at more modifications.
    
    Im not even sure if there is a right or wrong answer to this question, just opinions.
    
    Obviously your well aware of what my opinion is, but if your heart is content on getting a VTR to push at 150bhp then go for it buddy
14. RCD-Performance Established Member Joined: Dec 2007 Southampton Posts: 2278

    #14 3rd June 2008, 00:31

    Well said Dezo.
15. gixxa Established Member Joined: Feb 2007 manchester Posts: 1704 vtr turbo

    #15 3rd June 2008, 11:03

    why does eey one keep saying tax is costs more with a vts engine in, there both 1.6 so should be the same
16. Jaytee Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2006 Tyldesley, Manchester Posts: 5276 1.Saxo VTR 2.Saxo180

    #16 3rd June 2008, 11:50

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by gixxa why does eey one keep saying tax is costs more with a vts engine in, there both 1.6 so should be the same

    vts spits out more naughtyness into the atmosphere i think mate.
17. gixxa Established Member Joined: Feb 2007 manchester Posts: 1704 vtr turbo

    #17 3rd June 2008, 12:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jaytee vts spits out more naughtyness into the atmosphere i think mate.

    doesnt the vts have healthy and safely things tho like an egr valve and isnt it only newer cars that pay more tax if there not green
18. groom_vtr Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Suffolk Posts: 326

    #18 3rd June 2008, 16:58

    Any car from Y reg onwards pays tax costs according to its emissions.
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by gixxa doesnt the vts have healthy and safely things tho like an egr valve and isnt it only newer cars that pay more tax if there not green

19. groom_vtr Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Suffolk Posts: 326

    #19 3rd June 2008, 17:00

    OK, so what was the increase on your insurance?
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dez yes true, but it depends what way you look at it, i was in 2 minds like you are. 1. the VTR starts off will less BHP so already your playing catch up 2. You mentioned how you dont want to pay extra cost in insurance, having a VTR thats pushing out 150bhp will be expensive on insurance and how much is it going to set you back to get to 150 bhp? when you could just stick a vts lump in there, stick with that for a bit and then starting looking at more modifications. Im not even sure if there is a right or wrong answer to this question, just opinions. Obviously your well aware of what my opinion is, but if your heart is content on getting a VTR to push at 150bhp then go for it buddy

20. quickkwak07 Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2008 norwich Posts: 317 1999 vtr

    #20 3rd June 2008, 20:52

    a 150bhp vtr engine will be shit to drive compared to a vts lump with the same power
21. groom_vtr Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Suffolk Posts: 326

    #21 3rd June 2008, 21:36

    And why's that?
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by quickkwak07 a 150bhp vtr engine will be shit to drive compared to a vts lump with the same power