raceland vs supersprint mainfold

  1. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 North London Posts: 6170 Land Rover Discovery
    #1
    whats the difference between them apart from the prices and material used

    does supersprint produce more bhp?

    im kind of confused as to why people pay more for superpsrint if raceland is just as good?

  2. Scotland Joined: Jul 2005 Edinburgh Posts: 9556 Saxo 1.6i 16v VTS, 2 Classic Minis
    #2
    For low and mid range setups i'd go with the raceland because for the price and equal gains, you just cant go wrong.

    The raceland is a thinner metal though so prolonged use at high revs has a tendency to make the thing light up like Chernobyl. Think BellyVTS has photos of his glowing redhot on the rollers on a cammed VTS engine.
  3. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 North London Posts: 6170 Land Rover Discovery
    #3
    apart from the thing lighting up theres no difference?

    im going with the raceland in this case
  4. Established Member Joined: Jan 2008 Northampton Posts: 2241 Citroën Saxo VTR
    #4
    Supersprint is a better quality build and no fitting issues, Raceland is the cheaper option, few modifications to be made in order to fit but overall for daily road use I'd go with the Raceland manifold.
  5. Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)
    #5
    how long are you going to keep your car?
    The supersprint is vastly superior in material quality and manufacture - the welds are a work of art. If you want a system that will last as long as the car then this is the kit to get.
    Racelands are cheaper in every way, though they give similar gains in power. If you are planning on only keeping your car a year or two then go with this option.
  6. Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2006 Consett, County Durham Posts: 673 Wicked Red VTR
    #6
    Are there issues in fitting the supersprint to a mk2 VTR? Heard stuff about having to move oil filter for Raceland so just wondering.

    What about lambda sensors too? Any issues?
  7. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS
    #7
    The Supersprint fits the MK2 fine - no mods necessary. As for the sensors, the green lambda plugs into the manifold whereas the blue sensor gets sleeved and cable tied out the way.
  8. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5
    #8
    personally, you get what you pay for, seen a few now where the welds blown on the racelands.

    Also the pipes dont sit flush inside the plate that meants teh head of the engine.
  9. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5
    #9
    supersprint if want a 4-2-1 or a piper/gmc from gmc for 4-1 imo
  10. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 North London Posts: 6170 Land Rover Discovery
    #10
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KamRacing View Post
    how long are you going to keep your car?
    The supersprint is vastly superior in material quality and manufacture - the welds are a work of art. If you want a system that will last as long as the car then this is the kit to get.
    Racelands are cheaper in every way, though they give similar gains in power. If you are planning on only keeping your car a year or two then go with this option.
    im planning to keep for 2years...
  11. Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2008 Jersey Posts: 222 Saxo VTR 2003
    #11
    personally go for a supersprint, if you are goin to do it do it properly ay!
  12. Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2008 Bedworth Posts: 339 Mk2 VTS
    #12
    The only thing putting me off the supersprint is the amount of people saying that they blow alot
  13. Regular Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Redcar Posts: 490 Astra Mk4 GSI Adian blue Nova GSI White
    #13
    i had a supersprint on my 106 gti.. came me a vast improvement.. was on the car for 4 years and not one problem.. no blowing, no welds blown nothing!!
    and is still on the car now its been sold...

    my friend had a raceland, took the cheaper option after me telling him not to, as i was advised by a older experienced man (friend) who rallys saxos, that if u want the best preformance get the supersprint dont waste ur money on cheaper options. His outgane wasnt as good as mine, and had problems fitting and like steve VTS said, he blown a weld.
  14. Regular Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Redcar Posts: 490 Astra Mk4 GSI Adian blue Nova GSI White
    #14
    ment to say gave me a vast improvement
  15. Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)
    #15
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Daffron View Post
    The only thing putting me off the supersprint is the amount of people saying that they blow alot
    can't see why they'd blow. Sometimes they make a wierd sound that sounds like gasses escaping but i've not heard of one leaking when fitted correctly
  16. Established Member Joined: Jun 2007 Toronto, Canada Posts: 1118 Mitsi Evo 2008
    #16
    had my supersprint on the car for a few months now and def glad that i spent the extra cash on it as my mate got the raceland one and although it is very similar you can def tell the quality differences as cam says, would recommend the supersprint not had any issues with my set up.
    Especially if you plan to keep the car for a while.
    oh and heat wrap the thing had mine on not heat wrapped and was hot as hell under the bonnet when ragged a bit but now it all wrapped up what a dif. this is personal pref of course but just my recommendation on a vts.
  17. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS
    #17
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KamRacing View Post
    can't see why they'd blow. Sometimes they make a wierd sound that sounds like gasses escaping but i've not heard of one leaking when fitted correctly
    I was convinced mine was blowing until I got under the car when it was running and checked every section of the exhaust - as above, it's just the sound of the gasses in the pipework. The 'blowing' sound disappears as the system warms up... about 1 - 2 minutes.
  18. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 North London Posts: 6170 Land Rover Discovery
    #18
    hmm mixed views here...

    heatwrap raceland? jobs a good un?...

    hmm
  19. Established Member Joined: Oct 2007 Stoke on Trent Posts: 2130 Premier Ed. Milano Red CTR
    #19
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by LeeumH View Post
    I was convinced mine was blowing until I got under the car when it was running and checked every section of the exhaust - as above, it's just the sound of the gasses in the pipework. The 'blowing' sound disappears as the system warms up... about 1 - 2 minutes.
    Similiar noise to mine, I could have sworn mine was blowing, but it isn't!

    The SuperSprint gives a very 'gasey' pop & a flame, its quite hard to describe TBH, and the best thing is, it pops all the time, even when I keep it at the same revs it'll pop!

    Was piss easy to fit though. But when the exhaust is cold, and coming down the revs (3-2k) in 2nd, I get a horrible vibrating noise as if the exhaust is catching, but tht disseapers once the clutch goes down....
  20. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2006 Lurgan N.Ireland Posts: 102 2002 Saxo, 1.6 vtr!
    #20
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Steve_VTS View Post
    personally, you get what you pay for, seen a few now where the welds blown on the racelands.

    Also the pipes dont sit flush inside the plate that meants teh head of the engine.
    Yeah i agree 100% you def get what you pay for, id save a wee bit more and go for the supersprint one, atleast you dont need to bother footerin and moving things about. Theyre made for the car so you cant go wrong, made from higher quality stuff and it might make your car sound better too,

    go for the supersprint!!
  21. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2006 Durham Posts: 16000 Clio Trophy 025/500
    #21
    Quote:
    Supersprint is a better quality build and no fitting issues
    I will disagree here and so will Pred

    As the supersprint comes int 2 pieces it has sleeved joints which always tend to blow

    Happened on my best mates Vts manifold ended up getting it wielded

    And the same has just happen on Pred's car to
  22. Frequent Poster Joined: May 2008 Cumbria Posts: 526 2000 VTS
    #22
    I was thinking of going for a Raceland but now I'm not so conviced.

    Saying that if it cracks I could just weld the fecker up again.

    So it should last a couple of years before it cracks? Will heatwrapping it make it more prone to cracking at all?
  23. Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2004 Cambs Posts: 630 Vts track car
    #23
    Im running one of the racelands on my vts, fitment was spot on which i was quite suprised about considering how cheap it was.

    But for quality for the money it is spot on.
    Will have to see how long it lasts under long periods at high revs.
    Welds dont look to bad for a mass produced item.

    If it doesnt last i will go for one of the GMC manifolds.
  24. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 North London Posts: 6170 Land Rover Discovery
    #24
    leeroy has put me off supersprint!
  25. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2007 rugby Posts: 3766 MK2 VTS, Ibiza Cupra 20VT
    #25
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by leeroybrown View Post
    I will disagree here and so will Pred

    As the supersprint comes int 2 pieces it has sleeved joints which always tend to blow

    Happened on my best mates Vts manifold ended up getting it wielded

    And the same has just happen on Pred's car to
    i think mine is doing the same too, theres black marks around the area which suggest to me maybe its blowing a little
  26. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 North London Posts: 6170 Land Rover Discovery
    #26
    im opting for the raceland mainfold

    ka pow bring on vts power...

    taking far too long tbh about 2 weeks to go... FTL
  27. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2005 MaDchester Posts: 8432 Vts
    #27
    i fitted my raceland today with decat, pulls loads nicer and only fitting issues were getting at bolts etc because of the egr crap on newer vts's
  28. Super Moderator Joined: Mar 2003 Durham (England) Posts: 37932 1. AX 2. Mk2 Saxo VTR 3. MK4 R32 DBP
    #28
    yep leeroy, if the supersprint came in one piece it would be a lot better, the quality of the welds and fitment of supersprints are second to none though

    ive just got mine welded up to where the two pieces join together and clamp up, seems a lot better but does still sound like a leaky rasp, i now know its not leaking as the car picks up a lot better, and really pulls even in 5th gear

    to sum things up, supersprints are good but id definately get them welded up where the two sections clamp up, overall a very good manifold and the gains are noticable, if your after something cheap then go raceland,welding up a manifold wont cost much at all a tenner at the most
  29. Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2005 East Boldon United Kingdom (England) Posts: 994 Clio 172 Cup,Smart 451,Fiat Scudo Van,
    #29
    Having fitted loads of both of these manifolds my opinions are below.Hope this helps people decide what to go for.

    Superpsprint 8v : Excellent quality,superb fitting. no messing about cutting studs down to get nuts on.Downside is that it come sin two parts and is prone to blowing.

    Raceland 8v : Excellent value for money though the fitting can be a nightmare.2 manifold studs need to be cut down and you need a hand like a budgies foot to get 2 of the nuts tight.The holes sometimes need drilling out also to to go over the manifold studs.

    Supersprint 16v : Same as supersprint 8v

    Raceland 16v : Much better fit than the 8v version though 2 studs need cutting down still but isnt hard to fit at all and fits over studs nicely.We've seen really good bhp gains with this manifold.This is my choice for the VTS

    Hope this helps

    Chris
  30. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 North London Posts: 6170 Land Rover Discovery
    #30
    helped alot dude i think its confirmed everones suspicsion that raceland is just as good as supersprint for the same money
  31. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS
    #31
    The two piece design definitely lets the Supersprint down. To sort the blowing out on mine, I made some spacers up on the lathe and ditched these bolts for some hex heads - that way you can get a socket on them and apply loads of torque to seal the joint up properly. Will get some pictures if anyone's interested.
  32. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2006 Chester-Le-Street Posts: 172 106gti
    #32
    I had a supersprint, and couldnt fault it. Good fitment too. But cant give any opinions on the raceland