Torque,Torque,Torque

1. Arr0nUK Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 408

   #1 8th July 2008, 16:34

   Whats the best way to get as much Torque out of your VTR/S as possiable?
2. Quick Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2003 United Kingdom (England) Posts: 7064

   #2 8th July 2008, 16:36

   Forced induction - turbo or supercharger!
3. Arr0nUK Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 408

   #3 8th July 2008, 16:38

   what you mean by Forced induction??
4. Arr0nUK Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 408

   #4 8th July 2008, 16:38

   sorry read that wrong doesnt matter
5. VtsTom Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2007 Spalding-ish Posts: 2512 Mk4 Anniversary golf. 106 Quiksallye

   #5 8th July 2008, 16:39

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Quick Forced induction - turbo or supercharger!

   ..........
6. Andy_OZ Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2008 Jersey Posts: 222 Saxo VTR 2003

   #6 8th July 2008, 17:58

   supercharger is what i have been advised, but n/a tuning will never produced much extra torque
7. user_7096 Established Member Joined: Sep 2005 Market Bosworth Posts: 2482 106 XSi 1360cc

   #7 8th July 2008, 19:12

   N/A power is always readily available where as forced induction you have to wait until you are on boost to get the POOOOWWWERR
8. Toad Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can

   #8 9th July 2008, 12:54

   Get a V8...
9. quikpug0121 L-plater Joined: Jul 2008 wilts Posts: 63 106 quiksilver

   #9 9th July 2008, 12:59

   viper stripes and tinted windows give u alot more torque
10. user_7096 Established Member Joined: Sep 2005 Market Bosworth Posts: 2482 106 XSi 1360cc

    #10 9th July 2008, 13:31

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by quikpug0121 viper stripes and tinted windows give u alot more torque

    tit
    dont forget the lexarse lights and ripspeed pedals!!
11. quikpug0121 L-plater Joined: Jul 2008 wilts Posts: 63 106 quiksilver

    #11 9th July 2008, 13:51

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by piggy123 tit dont forget the lexarse lights and ripspeed pedals!!

    oh yea forgot about them....lol!
    
    double points for matching ripspeed gear knob hahaha
12. -Donkei- Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2008 Amesbury Posts: 710

    #12 9th July 2008, 14:08

    lmao quikpug0121 stripin ur bk seats owt
13. quikpug0121 L-plater Joined: Jul 2008 wilts Posts: 63 106 quiksilver

    #13 9th July 2008, 14:39

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by -Donkei- lmao quikpug0121 stripin ur bk seats owt

    not done yet waiting to get a cage ftw lol
14. Arr0nUK Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 408

    #14 9th July 2008, 15:06

    next thing im putting in when i get my saxo back is a roll cadge.
    
    check out the thread on the last saxo i had your see why..
15. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #15 9th July 2008, 15:30

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by piggy123 N/A power is always readily available where as forced induction you have to wait until you are on boost to get the POOOOWWWERR

    unless you have a supercharger or variable vane turbo.. a well designed setup will have minimal lag
16. littleracer Trouble Maker Joined: Feb 2008 hook,hamshire Posts: 3426 black citroen saxo mk2 & focus ST '225',merc C180

    #16 9th July 2008, 15:35

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by piggy123 N/A power is always readily available where as forced induction you have to wait until you are on boost to get the POOOOWWWERR

    eerrrmm,how does a super/c have lag?
    also anti lag systems now for turbo's.
17. flee123 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2006 Consett, County Durham Posts: 673 Wicked Red VTR

    #17 9th July 2008, 16:57

    Supercharger is probably your best bet if you want torque in boatloads. Turbo would be the only other option really but you could end up with slight lag.
    
    I thought anti lag wasnt allowed for road use now? Or is that just the mental AL systems?
18. Andy_OZ Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2008 Jersey Posts: 222 Saxo VTR 2003

    #18 9th July 2008, 20:58

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by flee123 Supercharger is probably your best bet if you want torque in boatloads. Turbo would be the only other option really but you could end up with slight lag. I thought anti lag wasnt allowed for road use now? Or is that just the mental AL systems?

    you can get systems that are 'on a switch' anti lag, it is abit extreme for road use, also you will be changing your turbos more than your socks!
    
    
19. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #19 9th July 2008, 21:01

    mine has no lag
20. westie-rossi Established Member Joined: Jun 2008 cheshire, helsby Posts: 1077 c2 vtr

    #20 9th July 2008, 21:04

    can ya turbo a westcoast cos i jus want tht dump valve sound but from an actual turbo!!
21. dannygti Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 dudley United Kingdom (England) Posts: 6790 106 gti/ SEAT LCR

    #21 9th July 2008, 21:08

    dont forget people, its not cheap for big power boost but does have big rewards.
    a mild'ish cam will improve torque.using a short ratio box will help you accelerate better thus usng torque more efficiently.
22. littleracer Trouble Maker Joined: Feb 2008 hook,hamshire Posts: 3426 black citroen saxo mk2 & focus ST '225',merc C180

    #22 9th July 2008, 21:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by westie-rossi can ya turbo a westcoast cos i jus want tht dump valve sound but from an actual turbo!!

    you an turbo anything realli.
    
    you want to go through all the agro of;
    getting a turbo
    pipes
    intercooler
    pistons
    manifold/zorst
    standalone management/mapping
    
    just so you can here a dump valve,pmsfl.
    
    just get an elecy one wire it up and you can make the noise without the engine running lol.
23. littleracer Trouble Maker Joined: Feb 2008 hook,hamshire Posts: 3426 black citroen saxo mk2 & focus ST '225',merc C180

    #23 9th July 2008, 21:26

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dannygti dont forget people, its not cheap for big power boost but does have big rewards. a mild'ish cam will improve torque.using a short ratio box will help you accelerate better thus usng torque more efficiently.

    what he said.
    sound stuff
24. shane_666 Newbie Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 2

    #24 9th July 2008, 21:27

    turbo or super charge
25. littleracer Trouble Maker Joined: Feb 2008 hook,hamshire Posts: 3426 black citroen saxo mk2 & focus ST '225',merc C180

    #25 9th July 2008, 21:34

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by shane_666 turbo or super charge

    supercharge all the way
26. westie-rossi Established Member Joined: Jun 2008 cheshire, helsby Posts: 1077 c2 vtr

    #26 9th July 2008, 21:38

    wt do you have dun to superchsarge?
27. daveo Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2006 Worksop Posts: 227 Silver Westcoast Gold mk2 Vtr Amazon Green Vts

    #27 9th July 2008, 21:39

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by westie-rossi wt do you have dun to superchsarge?

    someones got fat fingers lol
28. dannygti Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 dudley United Kingdom (England) Posts: 6790 106 gti/ SEAT LCR

    #28 9th July 2008, 21:40

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by westie-rossi wt do you have dun to superchsarge?

    you have to have around 5 grand spare to do a descent job.
    not cheap or easy.
29. littleracer Trouble Maker Joined: Feb 2008 hook,hamshire Posts: 3426 black citroen saxo mk2 & focus ST '225',merc C180

    #29 9th July 2008, 21:44

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by westie-rossi wt do you have dun to superchsarge?

    everything for a turbo,pipers,intercooler etc but you need brackets/drive belt.
    
    turbo you need pipe etc but you need down pipes instead of bracket and belts.
    
    turbo could cost a little more.
30. daveo Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2006 Worksop Posts: 227 Silver Westcoast Gold mk2 Vtr Amazon Green Vts

    #30 9th July 2008, 21:48

    What box would have the shortest ratio to increase torque on a vtr? Without killing it every few thousand miles
31. dannygti Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 dudley United Kingdom (England) Posts: 6790 106 gti/ SEAT LCR

    #31 9th July 2008, 21:52

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by daveo What box would have the shortest ratio to increase torque on a vtr? Without killing it every few thousand miles

    s1 rallye box. it has a sports gear cluster and is strong enough for any model in the range.
32. daveo Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2006 Worksop Posts: 227 Silver Westcoast Gold mk2 Vtr Amazon Green Vts

    #32 9th July 2008, 22:00

    what sort of money are you looking at to pick one up second hand?
33. dannygti Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 dudley United Kingdom (England) Posts: 6790 106 gti/ SEAT LCR

    #33 9th July 2008, 22:06

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by daveo what sort of money are you looking at to pick one up second hand?

    depends on condition tbh. and they are quite rare. i paid £100 for mine but then it was fully rebuilt so about £300 for me.
34. daveo Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2006 Worksop Posts: 227 Silver Westcoast Gold mk2 Vtr Amazon Green Vts

    #34 9th July 2008, 22:19

    and would a series 1 box be a straight swop onto a mk 2 sax? gota mate uws sellin his series 1 so might see if he will swop boxes before he flogs it
35. dannygti Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 dudley United Kingdom (England) Posts: 6790 106 gti/ SEAT LCR

    #35 9th July 2008, 22:24

    it should do, might need to change s peedo drive over.
    
    
    it will wreck the rallye though if you put a vtr box on it.
36. daveo Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2006 Worksop Posts: 227 Silver Westcoast Gold mk2 Vtr Amazon Green Vts

    #36 9th July 2008, 22:32

    speedo drive over ???
37. dannygti Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 dudley United Kingdom (England) Posts: 6790 106 gti/ SEAT LCR

    #37 9th July 2008, 22:34

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by daveo speedo drive over ???

    very easy dont worry.
38. daveo Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2006 Worksop Posts: 227 Silver Westcoast Gold mk2 Vtr Amazon Green Vts

    #38 9th July 2008, 22:36

    but what is it and how is it changed?
39. dannygti Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 dudley United Kingdom (England) Posts: 6790 106 gti/ SEAT LCR

    #39 9th July 2008, 22:40

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by daveo but what is it and how is it changed?

    too hard to describe over forum, if you were to have a box in front of you with a haynes, it wouldnt take more than 5 minute i would of thought.
40. daveo Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2006 Worksop Posts: 227 Silver Westcoast Gold mk2 Vtr Amazon Green Vts

    #40 9th July 2008, 22:50

    does it involve taking the box apart or is it a tighten something with a spanner job? and how would you know if it needed doing?
41. dannygti Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 dudley United Kingdom (England) Posts: 6790 106 gti/ SEAT LCR

    #41 9th July 2008, 22:59

    if you intend on changing a box you should be more than capable of chainging one.
    
    you can tell because if your vtr has a black one then the rallye box will need a black one, i think there are only white and black so cant go far wrong
42. Toad Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can

    #42 10th July 2008, 09:25

    Putting an S1 Rallye box in a stock VTR would be a very bad mistake. IIRC, in 5th gear, you're knocking on 4000rpm at around 70mph. Think about where the power band ends on a VTR... 16 valves get away with it, as they like to rev, but it would kill a VTR for top end.
43. sim69er South Wales Joined: Jan 2005 The Valley's init Posts: 3601 vtr mk2

    #43 10th July 2008, 14:20

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Toad Putting an S1 Rallye box in a stock VTR would be a very bad mistake. IIRC, in 5th gear, you're knocking on 4000rpm at around 70mph. Think about where the power band ends on a VTR... 16 valves get away with it, as they like to rev, but it would kill a VTR for top end.

    as ive found out lol, on the motorway im doing 3750rpm to make 70
44. Toad Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can

    #44 11th July 2008, 16:46

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sim69er as ive found out lol, on the motorway im doing 3750rpm to make 70

    You may find your speedo is a little out, as I'm fairly sure you'd be doing about 65mph TOPS at that RPM.
    
    Having never driven a VTR, do you find it runs out of puff not long after? As I'm running wilder cams, I can rev to 7800 and still produce good power, so the box works well for me. But I can't see it working quite so well in a VTR...
    
    EDIT: Maybe your speedo isn't out actually. Are you running rather large rims?
45. sybez Newbie Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 17

    #45 11th July 2008, 19:42

    A Turbo will give more torque than an SC with similar BHP outputs. But it will also kill you gearbox quicker....
46. 194bhpvtsturbo L-plater Joined: Jan 2008 Pembrokeshire (Wales) Posts: 87 Saxo Vtr Mk2 Saxo Vts (turboCharged) Mk2

    #46 14th July 2008, 12:09

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ARRON-IZ-ERE Whats the best way to get as much Torque out of your VTR/S as possiable?

    what sort of torque do you want anyway mate?