to cam or not to cam

1. gavbey Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 perth Posts: 811 cammed saxo vts

   #1 15th July 2008, 20:26

   hey folks.
   
   iv got a 51 plate vtr.
   
   it is time to do my timing belt so i was thinking while im at it is it worth puting a cam in?
   
   what type (285???)
   
   would i need adjustable pully to solve idling problem?
   
   how much?
   
   is it worth all the hastle for the power??
   
   cheers folks.
   
   rep will be given
2. Dasher_VTR Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2007 Swanley,Kent Posts: 866 saxo vtr

   #2 15th July 2008, 20:38

   it cost me probably just under 800 quid and it pulled 122bhp on the rr adnthat was without a decat and an open induction kit.
3. gavbey Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 perth Posts: 811 cammed saxo vts

   #3 15th July 2008, 20:42

   im looking to get a285 cam off som1.
   
   122 thts good like.
   
   iv got de-cat ( mk1 mani ) straight thru to magnex bak box
   
   and a beast of an induction kit.
   
   did you get yours remaped or was it fine on idle???
   
   cheers rep given
4. Predator_R32p Super Moderator Joined: Mar 2003 Durham (England) Posts: 37932 1. AX 2. Mk2 Saxo VTR 3. MK4 R32 DBP

   #4 15th July 2008, 20:49

   much cheaper to just get a vts engine in my opinion, will hit about the same bhp as a cammed vtr lump
5. 3cott Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2008 Rotherham Posts: 4614 Black mk2 vts

   #5 15th July 2008, 20:55

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Predator_VTR much cheaper to just get a vts engine in my opinion, will hit about the same bhp as a cammed vtr lump

   Then cam the vts lump
6. user_257 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2003 Kent Posts: 3994

   #6 15th July 2008, 21:00

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Dasher_VTR it cost me probably just under 800 quid and it pulled 122bhp on the rr adnthat was without a decat and an open induction kit.

   It may have cost just under £800 but that was with buying about £1000 worth of parts off of me for £200.
   
   I thought you was going to let me know how you got on?
   
   I dont suppose you know anything about the plant pots?!
7. user_257 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2003 Kent Posts: 3994

   #7 15th July 2008, 21:02

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by 3cott Then cam the vts lump

   And you're not far off spending what some places would charge to turbo a vtr.
8. gavbey Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 perth Posts: 811 cammed saxo vts

   #8 15th July 2008, 21:15

   same bhp but 15 kg lighter .
   
   i would put a vts in but its hard to get a hold of a cheap 3 plug ecu 1.
   
   insurance purposes aswell.
   
   i know how to put cams in ect but when it comes round to unlocking ecu's . it will get quite exspensive,
   
   could i not use the standard ecu if i was going to put cam in???
9. user_257 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2003 Kent Posts: 3994

   #9 15th July 2008, 21:30

   15kg isnt too much, its a small child and the vts 'box would probably make up that difference.
   
   I heard the 3 plugs dont respond well to mapping, I was looking at getting an Emerald.
10. brownie_147 L-plater Joined: Jun 2008 Sherburn Posts: 85 nova GTE Now project car ye ha just got an s

    #10 15th July 2008, 21:46

    Do it. You know you want too
11. N9KKC Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2006 Chester-Le-Street Posts: 172 106gti

    #11 15th July 2008, 22:14

    vts lump
12. onzakieron Established Member Joined: Jan 2008 Durham - Newcastle Posts: 1208 Saxo VTRRRRR

    #12 15th July 2008, 22:45

    I'd say going with a VTS is a better option if your looking to tune it more as realisticly, it's a way more powerful engine with way higher potential. Obviously price and insurance needs taking into consideration..
13. DaveyBoy Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2007 Erdington, Birmingham Posts: 442 Mk1 Possi Blue Vtr, slammed, White Rims, Leathers,

    #13 16th July 2008, 01:36

    vtrs on cams go well... my mate had a vtr engine cammed, with bigger valves. fookin amazin, used to beat gtis.
    but mate, if u wanna mod it, vts it! more reliable if done correctly. and either way ur gona wanna tell insurance arent u?
    i know so many people who would rather have a vts, and if u aint drove or been in one, then go ask someone!
14. gavbey Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 perth Posts: 811 cammed saxo vts

    #14 16th July 2008, 09:54

    well chaps. iv decided that im going to do what ever comes to me first ie cheap engine / cam.
    
    iv looked at what i need for the cam. ( lifters tappets mk1 springs ) . it would be much eisier to put a vts in.
    
    drop me a pm if any 1 noes someone who has a vts/gti breaking.
    
    cheers fellas
15. Dasher_VTR Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2007 Swanley,Kent Posts: 866 saxo vtr

    #15 16th July 2008, 18:47

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by joeblow And you're not far off spending what some places would charge to turbo a vtr.

    it would cost more than a grand for a turbo surely?
    
    i was thinkin more 3 grand?
16. user_257 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2003 Kent Posts: 3994

    #16 16th July 2008, 19:40

    3cott said to fit cams to the S lump after the conversion and a VTS conversion is about £1500 fitted, then buying the parts to cam is another £1k, then when you have bought manifold, exhaust and filter it is around £3k.
    
    Turbo conversion money.
17. Dasher_VTR Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2007 Swanley,Kent Posts: 866 saxo vtr

    #17 16th July 2008, 19:43

    oh i thought you meant just to cam a vtr.
18. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #18 16th July 2008, 19:53

    just buy a vts. insurance will be same as a cammed vtr wont it. cheaper than engine swap anyway with no hassle
19. Dez Established Member Joined: Oct 2007 Shoreham By Sea near Brighton Posts: 2065 saxo vt*

    #19 16th July 2008, 20:02

    agreed with whats been said above, i was in the same predicament, didnt know weather to go for cam on my r or vts conversion..
    
    Thought about it and decided to go with the conversion, as the vts engine is more powerful and by the time you have mani, and exhaust system your laughing. Am now tempted to cam my vts engine, but thats in the future,
    
    imo get the s conversion then cam that - then you will be laughing.
20. andy-vtr Newbie Joined: Dec 2007 Winsford Posts: 18 saxo vtr

    #20 17th July 2008, 18:54

    cam it lad
21. JTC_VTR L-plater Joined: Sep 2007 Plymouth Posts: 39 Black MK2 Saxo VTS

    #21 19th July 2008, 16:59

    i was going to get a cam, port and polished head etc for my vtr but decided to sell it and get a vts. vts power is gd!