Quick Shift

1. vtrlad Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2007 Shropshire Posts: 170 Saxo VTR 98bhp (MK2)

   #1 20th July 2008, 20:01

   Hi there.
   
   My gearbox, since i've had the car on 20k miles, has had a sloppy gearbox.
   
   My mate reckons that if I got quick shift it would a) make loads of difference to the smoothness of the gear change and b) make the car a bit faster.
   
   Are Quick Shifts worth it on a standard mk2 vtr?
   
   I can understand having one on a tuned vts or something.
2. vtrlad Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2007 Shropshire Posts: 170 Saxo VTR 98bhp (MK2)

   #2 20th July 2008, 20:03

   * sloppy gear change *
3. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

   #3 20th July 2008, 20:35

   probably not. new linkages could be worth looking at
4. Yates Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Pompey/Darlo Posts: 31546 MK1 - 1.1 Animal

   #4 20th July 2008, 20:55

   as bullit has said, quickshift will just make the 'throw' shorter, have a look at linkages could make it better and less sloppy
5. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

   #5 20th July 2008, 21:29

   id also suggest looking at the pin in the selector on the back of the box
   mine had worn and was rocking in the selector
   
   its 40odd pence for one from citroen or pug
   and you just hammer the old out and the new in takes about 10 mins if you know what your doing
6. Mark51p Super Moderator Joined: Sep 2006 Wakefield Posts: 14427 Golf GT

   #6 20th July 2008, 21:32

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by vtrlad Hi there. My gearbox, since i've had the car on 20k miles, has had a sloppy gearbox. My mate reckons that if I got quick shift it would a) make loads of difference to the smoothness of the gear change and b) make the car a bit faster.

   a) yes it should make the change abit smoother
   b) do you actually know what a quick shift is? the only thing it will make quicker is the gear change but thats only becasue the throw from gear to gear is shorter
7. gdwelsh Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Skelton - Saltburn Posts: 826 306 GTi-6 / Saxo VTS

   #7 20th July 2008, 21:34

   the pug/cit boxes have always been known to be sloppy, my gti6 and 205 gti were the same...
   
   I'm getting the quickshift from GE but like whats already been put forward new linkages is always a good idea... I believe they will be 3 to replace.
8. Mark51p Super Moderator Joined: Sep 2006 Wakefield Posts: 14427 Golf GT

   #8 20th July 2008, 21:41

   if you are planning to replave the gear linkages then imo your better off going for the rose joined ones, which i believe you can get from GE aswell.
9. vtrlad Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2007 Shropshire Posts: 170 Saxo VTR 98bhp (MK2)

   #9 20th July 2008, 21:54

   What differences in terms of acceleration does a quick shift have over a standard setup?
   
   I never have any issues of getting any gears etc, it's just you can "stir" the gear stick which isn't normal lol.
10. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #10 20th July 2008, 21:56

    acceleration gains will be minimal tbh
    just means your not losing time being out of gear (in the change)
    
    if you can stir it
    look at the linkages or the pin
11. vtrlad Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2007 Shropshire Posts: 170 Saxo VTR 98bhp (MK2)

    #11 20th July 2008, 22:27

    My mate said it sounds like the gaitor to him but i'll have a look at this pin.
    
    Is it in the haynes?
12. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #12 21st July 2008, 11:48

    i dunno if its in the haynes
    
    if you look down at the top of the gearbox you will see the selctors (1on top 1 on the back) the pin is in the 1 at the back
    play the selector about it should move a bit but not excesively
13. Elliot17 L-plater Joined: Jun 2008 Ipswich Posts: 80 106 WITH VTR engine! so kinda saxo :D

    #13 21st July 2008, 14:16

    ye most pug and saxo gears feel "sloppy" lol good word! But most people get used to it, my mate drove my car and couldnt understand how i drove something so "floppy" but its just the way it is. A quickshift would simply make the throw shorter so your car would not be any quicker, you would just lose less speed shifting. People mainly get quickshifts because changes just feel nicer and crisper i suppose. Its a nice little mod..
14. vtrlad Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2007 Shropshire Posts: 170 Saxo VTR 98bhp (MK2)

    #14 22nd July 2008, 13:04

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Elliot17 ye most pug and saxo gears feel "sloppy" lol good word! But most people get used to it, my mate drove my car and couldnt understand how i drove something so "floppy" but its just the way it is. A quickshift would simply make the throw shorter so your car would not be any quicker, you would just lose less speed shifting. People mainly get quickshifts because changes just feel nicer and crisper i suppose. Its a nice little mod..

    Worth the £40-£50 then?
15. skye00 Regular Poster Joined: May 2008 stoke on trent aka the bronx Posts: 357 2001 saxo vtr

    #15 22nd July 2008, 13:36

    just jack your car up, get under and get someone to wiggle the gear stick to see where the problem is!!
16. Seery_VTS Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2006 Billingham, North East Posts: 395 Vectra SRI 1.9CDTI (150bhp)

    #16 22nd July 2008, 16:22

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Alex-VTS id also suggest looking at the pin in the selector on the back of the box mine had worn and was rocking in the selector its 40odd pence for one from citroen or pug and you just hammer the old out and the new in takes about 10 mins if you know what your doing

    Explain how to do this because mine is gone again please.
17. Seery_VTS Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2006 Billingham, North East Posts: 395 Vectra SRI 1.9CDTI (150bhp)

    #17 22nd July 2008, 16:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Alex-VTS id also suggest looking at the pin in the selector on the back of the box mine had worn and was rocking in the selector its 40odd pence for one from citroen or pug and you just hammer the old out and the new in takes about 10 mins if you know what your doing

    Explain how to do this because mine is gone again please.
18. Seery_VTS Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2006 Billingham, North East Posts: 395 Vectra SRI 1.9CDTI (150bhp)

    #18 22nd July 2008, 16:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Alex-VTS id also suggest looking at the pin in the selector on the back of the box mine had worn and was rocking in the selector its 40odd pence for one from citroen or pug and you just hammer the old out and the new in takes about 10 mins if you know what your doing

    Explain how to do this because mine is gone again please.
19. Seery_VTS Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2006 Billingham, North East Posts: 395 Vectra SRI 1.9CDTI (150bhp)

    #19 22nd July 2008, 16:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Alex-VTS id also suggest looking at the pin in the selector on the back of the box mine had worn and was rocking in the selector its 40odd pence for one from citroen or pug and you just hammer the old out and the new in takes about 10 mins if you know what your doing

    Explain how to do this because mine is gone again please.
20. Seery_VTS Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2006 Billingham, North East Posts: 395 Vectra SRI 1.9CDTI (150bhp)

    #20 22nd July 2008, 16:26

    Arrrgh
    
    Bloody computer
    
    
21. MikeReay89 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 140 MK2 VTR

    #21 22nd July 2008, 18:16

    Sounds like linkages to me mate. You want to change them before they do actually go. I learned from that mistake.
22. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #22 22nd July 2008, 21:14

    A quickshift will in reality do no such thing. They shorten the gear movement so in theory its quicker to change gear, though the problem is you are limited by the synchromesh in the gearbox. Synchromech cannot cope with being rammed into gear super fast - you just wear the gearbox out prematurely, for really fast changes you need dog leg cogs
    
    When combined with good condition rods, a quickshift can give a much better feel when changing gear which is not to be sniffed at.
23. vtrlad Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2007 Shropshire Posts: 170 Saxo VTR 98bhp (MK2)

    #23 22nd July 2008, 22:06

    How much do the linkages cost to replace at a garage?
24. dynebaruk Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 Bridgend Posts: 1098 Golf GTI 1.8 turbo

    #24 23rd July 2008, 13:33

    Fit them yourself, save some money. Guide here:
    
    http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=138254