1.1 Gearbox in VTS...??

29th July 2008, 15:52

Hey,

I was up Devon Car Show on Sunday and I was talking to a guy who said instead of buying a VTS gearbox (which are really hard to pick up 2nd hand) get a 1.1 gearbox, because of the ratio and linkages etc are basically the same.

Can anyone confirm or shed some more light on this please?

He said he had done it himself, but I'm find it hard to work out how?

Thank you
Carmi.

29th July 2008, 15:55

probably will fit but the only reason you will want this is for track days as youll be staying in a low gear youl have quicker accelaration,otherwise hes talking shit,vts = vts gearbox,also the top end on a 1.1 gearbox would not exceed 115mph id imagine anything over that it would probably blow up

29th July 2008, 16:02

A few people use the 1.1 box as a cheap replacement for an S box, gear ratios are practically the same, similar final drive. IIRC the 1.1 box acctually tops out a little higher than the VTS one?

Bear in mind mate that the VTS has larger wheels and a higher revving engine than the 1.1's do.

29th July 2008, 16:05

in other words just buy a vts gearbox then when you sell it 'no expense spared' rather than 'couldnt be assed paying for an s box so fitted a 1.1 box'

29th July 2008, 16:08

mk2 slag? where you getting your info from? they are practically the same ratios, can remember exactly but theres only a few mph difference in each gear.

29th July 2008, 16:09

Simo has one fitted on his VTS Turbo and it's been pretty good I think.

So it does work.

29th July 2008, 16:20

Yeh, I just dont want to lose acceleration or top end as MK2SLAG said top end 115mph and I dont want to be changing gear after 2 secs..

Thank you for your help, any advice on this is greatly appriciated.

Carmi.

29th July 2008, 16:23

will fit easily carmi and be fine apparently there is one weak part of it il try find out what it is later ryan the mod covered it in a previous thread i read hope your well x

29th July 2008, 16:24

MK2SLAG was mistaken, the 1.1 box is almost identical to the VTS, you wont notice the difference when your driving, its marginally longer ratio'd than the VTS box so its top end is also a few mph higher than the VTS box.

As suvvy mentioned i think the centre shaft of the box is thinner than the one in the VTS box but i dont think anyone has ever really had a problem with this, not on a standardish engine anyway.

29th July 2008, 16:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by suvvysaxo

will fit easily carmi and be fine apparently there is one weak part of it il try find out what it is later ryan the mod covered it in a previous thread i read hope your well x

Yeh I heard it might be something to do with 3rd gear...??

Do you think I'd still get S performance out of it?

Im well thank you, nice to meet you Sunday x

29th July 2008, 16:28

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Originally Posted by Mystic

MK2SLAG was mistaken, the 1.1 box is almost identical to the VTS, you wont notice the difference when your driving, its marginally longer ratio'd than the VTS box so its top end is also a few mph higher than the VTS box.

As suvvy mentioned i think the centre shaft of the box is thinner than the one in the VTS box but i dont think anyone has ever really had a problem with this, not on a standardish engine anyway.

Well you say standard engine.. You mean not been cammed or on throtle bodies..??

I wouldnt usually ask so many questions but cant be bothered wit hthe hassle of changing once then having to change it again.

29th July 2008, 16:29

Carmi - PM Simo about it, I think his was fine and he his running 190bhp.

29th July 2008, 16:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carmi

Yeh I heard it might be something to do with 3rd gear...??

Do you think I'd still get S performance out of it?

Im well thank you, nice to meet you Sunday x

yea of course you will still get S performance out of it, theyre are pretty much the same ratios as the S box, just that little part is slightly different. so will still go like stink! much love x

29th July 2008, 16:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carmi

Well you say standard engine.. You mean not been cammed or on throtle bodies..??

I wouldnt usually ask so many questions but cant be bothered wit hthe hassle of changing once then having to change it again.

Yeh should be fine, cams or throtlte boddies id imagine ok too its only if you were going boosted i'd do a bit more research.

Although if Lukes right and Simos using one putting down 190 (at the wheels?) then your in the clear!

29th July 2008, 16:37

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Originally Posted by Mystic

Yeh should be fine, cams or throtlte boddies id imagine ok too its only if you were going boosted i'd do a bit more research.

Although if Lukes right and Simos using one putting down 190 (at the wheels?) then your in the clear!

Think it's at the fly, but either way it's gotta be one of the quickest ones on here so you'll be fine.

29th July 2008, 16:38

OK PM'd Simo..

Thank you for your help! I'll let you know how I get on!!

x

29th July 2008, 16:49

was thinking of using a 1.1 box in my vts an maybe using my 1.3 rallye diff in it to lower the gearing abit more

29th July 2008, 16:51

IM BLONDE AND FEMALE..

Please explain at my level of understanding

29th July 2008, 16:54

andy, you can just change the diff to lower final drive. you need to change the crown wheel and crown wheel pinion.

the 1.1 box has a smaller diff than the vts box, only weaker part in it but you wont really notice unless your a burnout king/queen.

29th July 2008, 20:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

andy, you can just change the diff to lower final drive. you need to change the crown wheel and crown wheel pinion.

the 1.1 box has a smaller diff than the vts box, only weaker part in it but you wont really notice unless your a burnout king/queen.

cheers mate

29th July 2008, 22:09

as said the diffs weaker. 1.1 doesnt have sport ratios

i had a reconditions one. felt lovely when in "snigger"

30th July 2008, 00:11

So are these chocolate compared to the VTS boxes or will they last aslong as you dont do burnouts etc?

30th July 2008, 11:45

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Originally Posted by bullit

as said the diffs weaker. 1.1 doesnt have sport ratios

i had a reconditions one. felt lovely when in "snigger"

what do u mean it dosent have sport ratios mate

30th July 2008, 14:19

any body no how to work out the speeds in each gear if i put a 1.3 rallye diff 4.4 in a 1.1 saxo gearbox

30th July 2008, 15:19

hope this shed some light

1.1 Box, VTS 7250 limit

VTS Box, VTS 7250 limit

1st August 2008, 13:47

Basically - its one or the other some people swear by it and everyone else doesnt!

Will I still be able to get 135mph out of my car with a 1.1 gearbox with out it blowing up??

1st August 2008, 17:50

you normally do that speed then

1st August 2008, 17:52

andy - you cant just fit the diff to change the final drive ratio. you need to change crown wheel and crown wheel pinion.
by sports ratio he ment the gearsets that are found in teh vts, vtr, gti, rallye and xsi boxs are different to that of the base model cars.

1st August 2008, 17:55

mate she is nuts! but we love her¬¬¬!!!! carmi please take it around track at trax¬¬!!!

1st August 2008, 17:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by andywiddss1

any body no how to work out the speeds in each gear if i put a 1.3 rallye diff 4.4 in a 1.1 saxo gearbox

you'll need to use the program above to work it out, using teh ratios for 1st to 5th from the 1.1 box and the final drive ratio from the rallye box.

1st August 2008, 18:25

i thought the way to go if your going to be running high hp was to use the 1.5 derv box? 1st to fourth are apparently pretty close, with a long final drive? duno if this is true or not but i was told this?