bike bodies

11th August 2008, 10:45

whats peoples opinions off bike bodies? how are they set up and what would need doing for them.

13th August 2008, 11:54

A set of say, 636 ITB's would give power gains just from fitting - the same practice putting them on a corsa gsi takes them from standard power to around 135bhp, you will need the wiring modified and a mounting plate fabricating and its worth checking to see if the bike injectors work with the same power feed your current ones do.

Of course to get the best from them you will need a remap, and more than likely a set of custom trumpets and an airbox to work properly with head work and a cam to suite the application too. id expect good gains them but your probs looking at well into the 4 figure mark for it to work properly. Would probably be more cost effective to buy a 306 gti or civic vti.

13th August 2008, 11:57

dont really rate them much rather spend the money on throttle bodies

13th August 2008, 12:27

Yeah but whats a set of ITG's cost? £2000? then you have management, mapping etc on top and if your spending 2k on ITB's then you want to make the most of them so you will want a forged, lightened and balaced bottom end with proper cams and headwork to match so your looking at what 5k and it will still only be about 200bhp. may as well buy a mk4 astra gsi, corsa let, sapphire cosworth, pulsar etc for that money.

13th August 2008, 12:32

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Originally Posted by Dizzy

may as well buy a mk4 astra gsi, corsa let, sapphire cosworth, pulsar etc for that money.

and whats the fun in that?

people do it because they want to, they like a certain car, if they wanted a Gashtra or some jap crap they would go and buy some, people build hi spec TU engines because they love the cars

and a set of kms DTH proper TBs are no where near 2k

13th August 2008, 12:35

Buy bodies, buy dizzy, ditch ecu, get carbs set up properly. Can probably be done for £500 odd.

There's a couple of 106s on 106 owners club that are on bike bodies, well worth a look if you're considering it and makes quite interesting reading.

13th August 2008, 12:42

carbs are a huge backwards step from injection.

13th August 2008, 12:49

I agree with Ryan..Carbs are un-reliable..

13th August 2008, 12:49

can still gain power over a standard inlet though.

13th August 2008, 12:50

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Originally Posted by MaRiO89

I agree with Ryan..Carbs are un-reliable..

bike carbs are alot more reliable than weber style car carbs.

13th August 2008, 12:51

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Originally Posted by williamsvts

can still gain power over a standard inlet though.

run very differened depending on weather at times, often the inlet manifold design inst great, bit of an arse to get through mot etc....

13th August 2008, 12:51

Carbs are good when set up correctly, as far as bang for your buck goes the bike carb route is pretty good, expect a massive reduction in mpg though.

I looked into it but a breathed on and lightly cammed vts will be more effective, easier to keep in tune, easier to get through emissions and still have plenty of scope for development.

13th August 2008, 12:55

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Originally Posted by TDID

Carbs are good when set up correctly, as far as bang for your buck goes the bike carb route is pretty good, expect a massive reduction in mpg though.

I looked into it but a breathed on and lightly cammed vts will be more effective, easier to keep in tune, easier to get through emissions and still have plenty of scope for development.

pah, you're gonna t/b it you little munchkin

13th August 2008, 12:58

If yours didn't sound so spaffworthy I wouldn't have these dilemmas

As you know, sort chassis side first, cage the bitch up and then add a sprinkling of powah

708s first, then maybe bodies, then get 50cc pop pop for daily hack. 120 mpg ftw lolz

13th August 2008, 13:01

get a kak, they're the height of efficiency

i wouldnt bother with 708's if i were to do it again - go straight to something better

13th August 2008, 13:05

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Originally Posted by TDID

Carbs are good when set up correctly, as far as bang for your buck goes the bike carb route is pretty good, expect a massive reduction in mpg though.

I looked into it but a breathed on and lightly cammed vts will be more effective, easier to keep in tune, easier to get through emissions and still have plenty of scope for development.

except the fact that they are alot less efficient even when set up compaired to a ECU controlled ITB set up. Hot days can be a complete arse etc....

13th August 2008, 13:29

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Originally Posted by Ryan

and whats the fun in that?

people do it because they want to, they like a certain car, if they wanted a Gashtra or some jap crap they would go and buy some, people build hi spec TU engines because they love the cars

and a set of kms DTH proper TBs are no where near 2k

chances are though someone who drives a saxo vts doesent have the money to spend on a high spec race engine or cant afford to buy something like what i mentioned. Fair enough if your doing it for a weekend track car when your pulling in big wages but someone piling all that into their daily driver earning only 15k a year would really be breaking the bank.

And from the cost effective side of it, you spend 6k on an astra gsi turbo - keep it for a year and decide to sell it on you will loose about £500. sepnd 6k doing up a saxo and your going to get 2-3k max bk for it and it will struggle to sell. or you could buy a 2.1 zvh ERST with over 300bhp for that sort of money and it will only go up in value.

Peoples judgement is blinded by 'what they like' and often what people want isnt what they need. if i had 6k to play with id be looking at everything within that price range and having a lot of test drives before i decided where to spend it.

Reading into this guys post hes just after some cheap power and advice, bike bodies are ok but if you want cheap gains bike carbs are the best route to take.

Yes they are less efficient but they are far more cost effective, and temperature changes dont affect them - My 99 R1 runs fine in the middle of winter or the height of summer.

13th August 2008, 13:32

personal opinion at the end of the day mate

people choose saxos because there a great little car and handle well when set up crrectly

tbh a cammed saxo vts could torture most bigger cars on trac, well from what ive seen from a few track days ive been to

13th August 2008, 13:45

i dont get the people are blinding by what they want rather than what they need??? ya dont really need anything an wouldnt it be better to get what you want

13th August 2008, 15:43

im not arguing the fact thart saxos are good for what they are, they have the same chassis as a 106 gti iirc and they handle ok but the saxos seem a lot cheaper - hence why i joined up as im looking at getting a vts so im not bashing them.

Not sure about a cammed VTS doing bigger cars round a track though - i live 20 mins from cadwell park and proper drivers in fast cars rarely get overtaken by anything lesser.

Like you say its personal opinion, but i wish i had uidance when i passed my test else id of saved myself a shit load of money before now.

13th August 2008, 16:08

stripped out saxo, nice and light could have most cars on corners, depending on the driver also, on straights they can keep up to most bigger cars

13th August 2008, 16:31

whats your idea of 'most bigger cars' though? yeah stuff like CTR's, 306 gti's, mini cooper s etc would all be in your grasp but as soon as your talking about evo's, m3's, rs4's etc a little fwd car doesnt have a chance! unless the drivers are plebs ofcourse!

13th August 2008, 16:40

yeah them kind of car but there are saxos with turbos/TBs/superchargers that could have an evo or m3

but as you say i probablies would rather spend my money on a bigger better car

its the fact that a saxo is a great car for track, so much fun to be had in one of them

13th August 2008, 16:47

when i was going round silverstone, not much could get away - evo 6 tommi mak was about even, porsche gt3's and turbos were passed, together with scoobies and gt40's.

they could just have been driven by morons tho

13th August 2008, 16:50

my mate had some on a rallye and it shifted so well, and the sound is just amazing, id recomend them if you can afford to do it

13th August 2008, 16:54

still wouldnt choose a vauxhall if i was gonna go for another car though

13th August 2008, 16:54

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Originally Posted by Dizzy

whats your idea of 'most bigger cars' though? yeah stuff like CTR's, 306 gti's, mini cooper s etc would all be in your grasp but as soon as your talking about evo's, m3's, rs4's etc a little fwd car doesnt have a chance! unless the drivers are plebs ofcourse!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bVwBBc9C8XU

yeh nice m3

13th August 2008, 16:55

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Originally Posted by pjm300

when i was going round silverstone, not much could get away - evo 6 tommi mak was about even, porsche gt3's and turbos were passed, together with scoobies and gt40's.

they could just have been driven by morons tho

More than likely lol, or it could be down to the fact their cars cost them 6 figure sums to buy - and not many people want to risk a 6 figure motor to keep a saxo at bay.

The way i see it is you never have fun on a track day if your scared of crashing what your in/on as your always reserved and never push near the limits.

out of curiosity what peak hp does a tu on itb's usually push?

13th August 2008, 16:58

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Originally Posted by Dizzy

More than likely lol, or it could be down to the fact their cars cost them 6 figure sums to buy - and not many people want to risk a 6 figure motor to keep a saxo at bay.

The way i see it is you never have fun on a track day if your scared of crashing what your in/on as your always reserved and never push near the limits.

out of curiosity what peak hp does a tu on itb's usually push?

go to the ring and you will see plenty of drivers of porsches, lambos etc which dont really appear to give a funk about spanking it

t/bs on a vts will produce between 130 and 210 bhp

considering uk trackdays are usually held on the smaller track which are more windy than long straights, there is no real opportunity for the bigger power cars to get into their stride and waltz away - a light saxo with more than 150bhp is more than enough to have a bloody good time!

13th August 2008, 16:59

on a vts around 170 - 200, if set up right

13th August 2008, 16:59

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Originally Posted by Dizzy

More than likely lol, or it could be down to the fact their cars cost them 6 figure sums to buy - and not many people want to risk a 6 figure motor to keep a saxo at bay.

The way i see it is you never have fun on a track day if your scared of crashing what your in/on as your always reserved and never push near the limits.

out of curiosity what peak hp does a tu on itb's usually push?

so they spend there money, to buy a fast car, to pay to get on a track.. to drive around and look pretty?

and 6 figure sum = under 10 grand

1111.11p

13th August 2008, 17:12

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Originally Posted by pjm300

go to the ring and you will see plenty of drivers of porsches, lambos etc which dont really appear to give a funk about spanking it

t/bs on a vts will produce between 130 and 210 bhp

considering uk trackdays are usually held on the smaller track which are more windy than long straights, there is no real opportunity for the bigger power cars to get into their stride and waltz away - a light saxo with more than 150bhp is more than enough to have a bloody good time!

Ive seen what people are like at the ring, they dont give a toss!

I know what you mean about uk circuits too, esp cadwell its like racing on a b road lol.

smith: depends on the driver, but if you payed £50,000+ for a car would you really want to push it and risk smashing it up? unless the driver is really good or has immense amounts of expendable cash very rarely will supercar drivers push it round corners, usually due to fear of cash loss or being intimidated by the huge amounts of power and grip. im pretty sure a noble m400, 997 turbo, m3 csl in a good drivers hands could out pace even the fruitiest of all saxos!

And whats wrong with vauxhalls? i loved my corsa gsi! Infact the vauxhall gsi/vxr ranges are very good value for money.

13th August 2008, 17:18

its a vauxhall mate never have liked the and never will, personal preference and im sure a few more will agree with me

13th August 2008, 17:20

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Originally Posted by Dizzy

Ive seen what people are like at the ring, they dont give a toss!

I know what you mean about uk circuits too, esp cadwell its like racing on a b road lol.

smith: depends on the driver, but if you payed £50,000+ for a car would you really want to push it and risk smashing it up? unless the driver is really good or has immense amounts of expendable cash very rarely will supercar drivers push it round corners, usually due to fear of cash loss or being intimidated by the huge amounts of power and grip. im pretty sure a noble m400, 997 turbo, m3 csl in a good drivers hands could out pace even the fruitiest of all saxos!

And whats wrong with vauxhalls? i loved my corsa gsi! Infact the vauxhall gsi/vxr ranges are very good value for money.

tbh, if you can afford it and take it on track, you can afford to push it and risk it...

13th August 2008, 17:21

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Originally Posted by Predator_VTR

its a vauxhall mate never have liked the and never will, personal preference and im sure a few more will agree with me

i dont like the new ones, i dont mind the really old corsaB GSi's they look good just standard and lowered

13th August 2008, 17:33

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Originally Posted by Predator_VTR

its a vauxhall mate never have liked the and never will, personal preference and im sure a few more will agree with me

why though? very tuneable. cheap to buy and maintain. and novas were used alot in rallying so lots of motorsport parts about for them.

i would rather buy a nova/corsa b than another saxo.

13th August 2008, 17:44

only problem with vauxhalls is rot. id buy another corsa gsi but both mine were rotten and rusty and its like whats the point on maintaining something thats just rotting away infront of your eyes.

Thats why i wanted a 106 gti, galavanised from the factory so im led to belive and the saxo's come fromthe same place so id assume they are galavnised too.

Its also worth noting corsas dont handle very well lol.

13th August 2008, 17:49

both my corsas and my nova was pretty much rust free. only bit was a slight bit of rust starting to come through on the rear arch. underneath was solid.

13th August 2008, 17:56

well i had 2 gsi's both were rotten on front chassis legs, one was on the rear inner arch. both went on the tailgate round the wiper and bottom of the spoiler, both bubbled on the front arch, bother went on the bonnet leading edge and every one ive seen thats not been pampered has done the same.

Novas are even harder to find rot free and you pay for a good one - id give a kidney for a mint nova gsi with a let in though!

overall i find vauxhalls and fords bad for rot, but the newer french cars all seem to be galvanised now so rotting is never an issue

13th August 2008, 19:17

In my opinion i think its good to be different, like people that turbo 1 litre saxos you dont see many around but you get people saying the same old thing YOU COULD HAVE GOT A VTS FOR THAT MONEY OR PUT A VTS ENGINE IN IT. everyone has own ideas and taste and I dont like people that are sheep lol

13th August 2008, 21:16

just remember though that different isnt always good, and sometimes other people havnt done something before for a reason.

In the modifying world people always say 'better than being a sheep' but its not good to stick out for the wrong reasons: a soldier in bright pink camo will get shot, he stuck out for the wrong reasons and now he knows why no one else chose his path.

13th August 2008, 21:28

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Originally Posted by Dizzy

just remember though that different isnt always good, and sometimes other people havnt done something before for a reason.

In the modifying world people always say 'better than being a sheep' but its not good to stick out for the wrong reasons: a soldier in bright pink camo will get shot, he stuck out for the wrong reasons and now he knows why no one else chose his path.

not if hes fighting in a bubblegum factory

bike bodies are good imo

13th August 2008, 21:41

better to get throttle bodies still though

have to admit ivealways had a soft spot for the nova, but in a crash i dont think tey rate any better than a saxo

14th August 2008, 07:21

if your worried about crashing your questioning your driving skillzzzzzzzzzzzzz

14th August 2008, 07:31

I vote for throttle bodies and a GT25r to help air flow