rallye head for vtr ?

  1. L-plater Joined: Jul 2007 ruislip middlesex Posts: 38 mk2 saxo vtr
    #1
    hi a freind of a freind has a s1 rallye head and inlet for sale and ive got a phase 2 vtr 98bhp model. will the rallye head fit and would i get any gains from it and would it be difficult to do ? help would be appreciated cheers
  2. Established Member Joined: Sep 2005 Market Bosworth Posts: 2482 106 XSi 1360cc
    #2
    would definately recommend it!!!!!

    while your at it stick a nice cam in it and it would fly!
    be very revvy aswell

    quite an in depth job though
  3. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2008 tamworth Posts: 131 saxo vtr 1.6 mk2 2001 y reg
    #3
    would be rapid on the 0-60 like to watch the progress if you go ahead with it mate
  4. L-plater Joined: Jul 2007 ruislip middlesex Posts: 38 mk2 saxo vtr
    #4
    yeah ill buy it off him if i can get a bit more info on here, so far not so many replies lol just want to know if anyones done it incase theres anything i should know
  5. Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2007 Erdington, Birmingham Posts: 442 Mk1 Possi Blue Vtr, slammed, White Rims, Leathers,
    #5
    the rallye inlet needs an air sensor.
    so as long as you sort out the idle there should be no problems... but if youre takin the head off you may as well get a cam too mate....
    good luck too..
  6. Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 Bodelwyddan , N.Wales Posts: 1252 Peugeot S2 106 GTi 1.6 16v
    #6
    you dont need the complete head lad, just get the inlet mainifold, there is nothing specail about the head its self, the 1.3 rallye cam will not help you much in a vtr,

    id say get the rallye inlet and find a nice fat cam too, or get the vtr one reprofiled
  7. Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 1108 16v Citroen AX
    #7
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Steffrallye View Post
    you dont need the complete head lad, just get the inlet mainifold, there is nothing specail about the head its self, the 1.3 rallye cam will not help you much in a vtr,


    and how do you expect him to fit it to his head when the 98bhp vtr engine has totally different inlet port spacings?

    the rallye heads also have mild head work and a slightly increase cam size of the vtr engines hence they made more power



    put the head on and if he has the loom and ecu run it on that too and you will have a 1.6 8v rallye engine running a s1 inlet
    if you dont run s1 management you will have a few issues to sort with the s1 inlet as there quite tricky without a remap to get ideling and running spot on


    will go like stink and even more so if you upgrade the cam too



    my mate ran a s1 head and inlet on a s2 rallye bottom end with s1 management and loom and it made 124bhp and sounded awesome from 5k onwards
  8. L-plater Joined: Jul 2007 ruislip middlesex Posts: 38 mk2 saxo vtr
    #8
    cheers fella's, so all ive got to do swap the heads over which ill get my mate to do, he should know what hes doin bein a citroen mechanic. Then ill get the ecu and ill have to find a decent garage to tune because i dont think he will be capable of that. i will most probably put some performance cams in before i take it to the tuners.

    So with the rallye head and inlet,ecu,cams,421mani.decat exhaust what sort of power will i be looking at ? will it be simler to vts,valver and redtop corsa's.

    Also what gearbox would be best for this setup im guessing rallye but there quite rare but isnt the 1.4 xsi simler ?

    cheers for the replys so far fellas i appreciate it !
  9. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #9
    s1 ecu is a single plug and your car is a 3plug. i wouldnt even bother trying mate, you'll have loads of hassel trying to get it to run imo.
  10. L-plater Joined: Jul 2007 ruislip middlesex Posts: 38 mk2 saxo vtr
    #10
    oh ok so basically i might aswell forget it then, if i got my vtr head cammed and then had my inlet manifold port n polished (if thats possible) would that match having the s1 head and inlet and give the same performance ?

    i would be happy with a 130bhp engine thats really revy and revs high, and matches vts's,valvers etc. i dont really want to change the engine . what do you guys suggest ?
  11. Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 1108 16v Citroen AX
    #11
    if you put the s2 rallye head on with a s1 1 rallye inlet with s1 rallye engine loom and ecu it will run fine

    and you will get about 124bhp from it power wise and an awesome induction noise
  12. Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2007 Swanley,Kent Posts: 866 saxo vtr
    #12
    sorry to hijack but will VTR aftermarket cams fit the rallye head?
  13. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #13
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by leeds106 View Post
    if you put the s2 rallye head on with a s1 1 rallye inlet with s1 rallye engine loom and ecu it will run fine

    and you will get about 124bhp from it power wise and an awesome induction noise
    his is a 3 plug ecu though.
  14. Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 1108 16v Citroen AX
    #14
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by williamsvts View Post
    his is a 3 plug ecu though.
    which wont matter so long as he runs a s1 inlet on s1 management and engine loom


    only thing that would need to be rewired is the multiplug so it mates with his car loom





    easiest way to do it and the way id recomend is to just run a s2 rallye head and inlet as that way it will be easier to do tbh and cheaper than paying for your head to have head work done






    alternativly

    285 cam
    uprated valve springs
    adjustable pulley
    and a remap will see you will a seriuosly quick 8v