rear strut brace.....

  1. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2005 bognor regis Posts: 525 grey mk1 vtr...slammed
    #1
    do they make one for a saxo?
  2. Established Member Joined: May 2007 Dorset Posts: 1467 RB Renaultsport clio 182
    #2
    I dont think so as the rear of the saxo is done on torsion bar, so there arent any struts at the back. Hence why all people with saxos have roll cages. Could well be wrong though.
  3. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2005 bognor regis Posts: 525 grey mk1 vtr...slammed
    #3
    i dont no lol you may well be right!
  4. Saxperience Addict Joined: May 2006 Posts: 12553
    #4
    Yeah, what he said,
    You can't get one, as there's no struts on the rear.
  5. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2005 bognor regis Posts: 525 grey mk1 vtr...slammed
    #5
    well i get what your all saying......but company's like fusion fabrication do braces that bolt to the inside of the boot...i don't no if these are any good?

    bit like what a cage does then......
  6. Established Member Joined: May 2007 Dorset Posts: 1467 RB Renaultsport clio 182
    #6
    Thats because the tops of the struts are located in the boot. Its just the same as it would look in the engine bay of the car.
  7. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2005 Billericay, Essex (England) Posts: 6774 1.1.1i, 2.Mk2 VTR 3.Astra SRI 150
    #7
    iWould have said no aswell as there aren't any struts in the back.
  8. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #8
    only way ive seen of bracing the rear is how matt wests 106 is done in last months pfc

    but it requires a cage
  9. Established Member Joined: Aug 2007 southampton Posts: 2253 saxo vtr
    #9
    i have a custom brace that goes between the rear seat belt points and am getting another one that goes between the rear areches
  10. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #10
    not much point in random bracing across the shell imo
    i mean on a cage yea you can feel its stiffened up a bit
    like rushys half cage makes his feel pretty good

    but i cant see the benefit of 1 or 2 bars across the shell
    itll still just flex around them
  11. Established Member Joined: Aug 2007 southampton Posts: 2253 saxo vtr
    #11
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Alex-VTS View Post
    not much point in random bracing across the shell imo
    i mean on a cage yea you can feel its stiffened up a bit
    like rushys half cage makes his feel pretty good

    but i cant see the benefit of 1 or 2 bars across the shell
    itll still just flex around them
    is better than nothing and will greatly limit damage from a side impact if that happens, also look good aswell
  12. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Charming man Posts: 15880 Charming car
    #12
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stendog View Post
    is better than nothing and will greatly limit damage from a side impact if that happens, also look good aswell
    it doesn't look to bad, but tbh what kind of car is going to hit the side of your car by the rear seatbelt's?

    I don't personally see the point at all.
  13. Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 395 VTR
    #13
    I don't think one bar will add any structural rigidity, there'll still be torsional flex and it'll put further strain on the arches. At least with a cage and multiple mounting points there'll be a better spread of stiffness due to the extra contact points with the shell.
  14. Established Member Joined: Aug 2007 southampton Posts: 2253 saxo vtr
    #14
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Danr View Post
    it doesn't look to bad, but tbh what kind of car is going to hit the side of your car by the rear seatbelt's?

    I don't personally see the point at all.
    people do spin out often in saxos and side swipe things, going through a T junction or pulling out side road and someone doesnt see you smash into the side, just a fewq there for you mate
  15. Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)
    #15
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lloyde View Post
    well i get what your all saying......but company's like fusion fabrication do braces that bolt to the inside of the boot...i don't no if these are any good?

    bit like what a cage does then......
    I wouldn't fit one of those. When you consider what a strut brace actually does then you'll realise that randomly bracing to thin bits of the inner shell that have no structural importance will not improve the handling of the car. Unfortunately you have to do it properly with a weld in cage and link the suspension mounting points on the car.

    On the rear of the saxo that point is on the floor

    Without proper strengthening of the inner wings in the event of a crash in that area i would expect the brace to either bend both inner wings or worse punch through the bodywork.
    The rear beam does not have any sideways movement under load other than that provided by the sandwich mounts and bushes.
    There is no suspension turret to flex under load.
  16. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2005 Potters Bar United Kingdom (England) Posts: 2749 T/B'd VTS
    #16
    if you did a rear turret conversion, it may be worth it, but as standard there's no point
  17. Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)
    #17
    even then you still dont have a macpherson strut so its not necessary.
    The only useful side bracing I would want would be to stop movement in the main trailing arm bearings. The 206 180 and a lot of Rally cars have braces that provide triangulation between the main tube and the trailing arm to reduce the flex.
  18. Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 344 Saxo Vts -QEP development fast road engine.
    #18
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stendog View Post
    is better than nothing and will greatly limit damage from a side impact if that happens, also look good aswell
    I'm not so sure tbh. Welding a bar of thicker material to a thin Saxo inner arch isn't going to do anything for handling, bracing and definately safety. If you have a big enough impact it will rip the inner arches out and could turn out to be the thing that kills you in a crash.

    Its also easy to see that there is no load bearing on the inner arches worthy of note, and a welded bar would just flex both arches anyway. You need to be looking at the rear beam mounts for adding rigidity.

    So the answer to the original question is, no.