extra bhp rumor

23rd August 2008, 22:14

i have herd that some vts's came out the factory with higher bhp than the others but only around the y reg is this true??

23rd August 2008, 22:16

No.

End Thread.

23rd August 2008, 22:29

no their might be a couple of bhp difference but nothing really noticeable and all vts were booked with 120bhp

23rd August 2008, 22:32

nope. vtrs upped bhp from 2001 iirc not vts end.

23rd August 2008, 22:39

just i herd that new emition laws came in a citroen had t fit egr valves but the did and it tamed the vts to much so they ported and plished the heads to bring the bhp back up but the were a batch fitted with the new head but not the egr valve??? also when did the ecu plug config change??

23rd August 2008, 22:44

[QUOTE=l4nce-vts;2452942] Not heard that before bud?? and i work at citreon dealers,as mech.....

23rd August 2008, 22:47

if any one has a vts could u tell me if just above your manifold you have to prongs sticking out and what year your car is.

23rd August 2008, 22:48

[QUOTE=saxokid100;2452947]

Quote:

Originally Posted by l4nce-vts

Not heard that before bud?? and i work at citreon dealers,as mech.....

did any newer ones fitted with a egr valve???

23rd August 2008, 22:49

use search.been asked a gazillion times !

23rd August 2008, 22:50

its supposedly around w reg i believe around year 2000, 2 pronged head without the holes in for the 'egr' valve but its never been proven

23rd August 2008, 22:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yates

its supposedly around w reg i believe around year 2000, 2 pronged head without the holes in for the 'egr' valve but its never been proven

i have the to pronged head but no valve?? are the newer ones fitted with the egr valves??

23rd August 2008, 22:52

[QUOTE=l4nce-vts;2452953]

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxokid100

did any newer ones fitted with a egr valve???

Only seen the egr valves on 51 reg to 53 reg vts....dont think they were on w to y reg vts....

23rd August 2008, 22:54

All the 51 reg to 53 regs have them,cant see them given any bhp thow bud....

23rd August 2008, 22:55

[QUOTE=l4nce-vts;2452961]

Just another expensive part to pay out for when it packs up!!!

23rd August 2008, 22:57

or remove egr and then no problems

yes lance it sounds like you have one of these mythic creatures

if its completely standard go to a rolling road and find out and post up your findings

23rd August 2008, 22:57

na the egr valve takes bhp away which is y they ported and polished the heads but if u get a egr head with out valve quids in?? which ecu system is the best single plug or 3plug??

23rd August 2008, 23:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yates

or remove egr and then no problems

yes lance it sounds like you have one of these mythic creatures

if its completely standard go to a rolling road and find out and post up your findings

how much for a rollin road ses?? have raced other vts and killed um all i gt is decat which they had too allso pull half a car on a astra gsi over 3/4 mile!!!

23rd August 2008, 23:01

So your saying ifthe EGR valve is removed is regains the power lost from fitting it

Or you could just accept the fact your car is as fast as it is and carry on killin people wiv ur vts init?

23rd August 2008, 23:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yates

or remove egr and then no problems

yes lance it sounds like you have one of these mythic creatures

if its completely standard go to a rolling road and find out and post up your findings

Removed it ones!!! caused the engine light to come on,and the car ran like shite....

23rd August 2008, 23:03

ive never heard they port and polished head to get it to the supposedly '130' bhp

get it all standard and RR it, could be bout 40 quid, then you could end all rumours, either by proving its 130, or hitting 120 like the rest and proving its a myth

23rd August 2008, 23:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxokid100

Removed it ones!!! caused the engine light to come on,and the car ran like shite....

mines been off a year, never had any problems, and i know lots on this site have, and heard of no problems...

never caused the engine managment light on, nor has it on the others

23rd August 2008, 23:06

i duno lol jst a rumor i got told just wondering if u peps could thro sum info in to it. its defo mythical

yates?? were the nearest rr to worcester??

23rd August 2008, 23:06

many many people have tried to tell us they own the majic 130bhp saxos, yet they never bother to try and prove it.

23rd August 2008, 23:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by l4nce-vts

na the egr valve takes bhp away which is y they ported and polished the heads but if u get a egr head with out valve quids in?? which ecu system is the best single plug or 3plug??

So your saying if you buy saxo vts with egr valve on it,at standard it wont be 120 bhp???

23rd August 2008, 23:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxokid100

So your saying if you buy saxo vts with egr valve on it,at standard it wont be 120 bhp???

it will be 120 but minus the egr then more

23rd August 2008, 23:08

Thats what i asked, and after removinga fair few EGR valves, i never have noticed a difference, and if there was one, if definately was not 10bhp.

23rd August 2008, 23:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCD-Performance

many many people have tried to tell us they own the majic 130bhp saxos, yet they never bother to try and prove it.

i will try to prove it if some one can get me set up with a rr company close to me

23rd August 2008, 23:10

feel free, im unsure where your nearest one is.

23rd August 2008, 23:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCD-Performance

Thats what i asked, and after removinga fair few EGR valves, i never have noticed a difference, and if there was one, if definately was not 10bhp.

its not just that tho i have bin told its like citroen did the pronged head to compensat for emtionresctrictions but fitted it to pre restricted emision cars.

any one now about the 3 plug or 1 plug ecu ??/

23rd August 2008, 23:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxokid100

So your saying if you buy saxo vts with egr valve on it,at standard it wont be 120 bhp???

hes not saying that

lets not all do the usual jump on the back of someone new for asking questions...

hes asked if its true, its a saxo forum, he doesnt know the answer so asked, people have answered and are now just explaining bits, we have members who are just going on.

We have all heard rumours of this 130bhp saxo vts, around the year 2000, that was produced without the egr valve but have the 2 pronged head, i think what hes saying is that to get ready for this egr valve they done something to the head to pick up the power than the egr looses on these models, the new head was bought out in 2000 minus the egr valve that didnt appear till 2001, so that time before then, they are supposedly 130bhp

23rd August 2008, 23:12

3 plug was all mark 2s wasnt it?
1 plug was mark 1s?

unsure on the early mk 2s and what plug ecu they are

23rd August 2008, 23:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by l4nce-vts

it will be 120 but minus the egr then more

Well best left well alone i say....anything for easy life...

23rd August 2008, 23:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yates

hes not saying that

lets not all do the usual jump on the back of someone new for asking questions...

hes asked if its true, its a saxo forum, he doesnt know the answer so asked, people have answered and are now just explaining bits, we have members who are just going on.

We have all heard rumours of this 130bhp saxo vts, around the year 2000, that was produced without the egr valve but have the 2 pronged head, i think what hes saying is that to get ready for this egr valve they done something to the head to pick up the power than the egr looses on these models, the new head was bought out in 2000 minus the egr valve that didnt appear till 2001, so that time before then, they are supposedly 130bhp

thats just it just would like to now were a rr is in worcestershire to try and prove it would like it prettry soon as i have 4 branch and induction kit sat in my room glaring at me to put them on but want a b4 figure and after figure

23rd August 2008, 23:15

have a search mate or ask in your local area forum

23rd August 2008, 23:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yates

3 plug was all mark 2s wasnt it?
1 plug was mark 1s?

unsure on the early mk 2s and what plug ecu they are

what year did they change??

23rd August 2008, 23:16

sorry about my spelling btw

23rd August 2008, 23:19

[QUOTE=l4nce-vts;2453007]

Will be good to see if theres anything in it bud!!!

23rd August 2008, 23:23

jst asking for a rr now will post figures when done will put cat back on so totaly standard. maby there is some 130's out there whats a quater mile time for a standard vts with full interiea and 10 cans of strongbow??

23rd August 2008, 23:24

changed 2000 to phase 2 i think, not definate, may of been 99 actually there are some v plate mk2s i think

23rd August 2008, 23:28

[QUOTE=Yates;2453017]

Seen mk2 saxo vtr by mine on V reg plate....

23rd August 2008, 23:31

Yates dude I am pretty sure QEP flow tested a non 2 prong and a 2 prong head. The 2 prong hesd supposedly flowed about 7% better, but I think these more powerful engines are down to the french building them on a friday / saturday special.

23rd August 2008, 23:32

[QUOTE=saxokid100;2453022]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yates

Seen mk2 saxo vtr by mine on V reg plate....

mine a mk2 on a y plate what the body diff?? but its singal plug??

23rd August 2008, 23:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush

Yates dude I am pretty sure QEP flow tested a non 2 prong and a 2 prong head. The 2 prong hesd supposedly flowed about 7% better, but I think these more powerful engines are down to the french building them on a friday / saturday

mite be a truth rather than a rumer then.

23rd August 2008, 23:38

[QUOTE=l4nce-vts;2453028]

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxokid100

mine a mk2 on a y plate what the body diff?? but its singal plug??

If you have a single plug ecu on a mk2 y plate i would maybe start looking into some sort of tinkering in the ecu or maybe a swapped engine loom, this maybe where the extra power is coming from if your ecu has been changed for a modified set up weather it been a modded standard single plug or after market.

But im sure all vts after w reg had 3 plug ecus

Take a pic and post it up so we can see

23rd August 2008, 23:41

[QUOTE=stiffler69;2453034]

Quote:

Originally Posted by l4nce-vts

If you have a single plug ecu on a mk2 y plate i would maybe start looking into some sort of tinkering in the ecu or maybe a swapped engine loom, this maybe where the extra power is coming from if your ecu has been changed for a modified set up weather it been a modded standard single plug or after market.

But im sure all vts after w reg had 3 plug ecus

Take a pic and post it up so we can see

will try to get pic 2 moro but its defo a standard ecu

23rd August 2008, 23:42

will try get pics in the morning and post up then im goin bed if u guys wana do some diggin on this would be greatfuly aprecated thanks

23rd August 2008, 23:43

I still think it is a load of BS personally everyone blatantly knows that every enigne is built the same but will have slight power variation for the small tolerance diff

23rd August 2008, 23:43

[QUOTE=stiffler69;2453034]

Quote:

Originally Posted by l4nce-vts

If you have a single plug ecu on a mk2 y plate i would maybe start looking into some sort of tinkering in the ecu or maybe a swapped engine loom, this maybe where the extra power is coming from if your ecu has been changed for a modified set up weather it been a modded standard single plug or after market.

But im sure all vts after w reg had 3 plug ecus

Take a pic and post it up so we can see

My 52 reg has 3 plug....

23rd August 2008, 23:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush

I still think it is a load of BS personally everyone blatantly knows that every enigne is built the same but will have slight power variation for the small tolerance diff

will get rr and solve once and for all then

23rd August 2008, 23:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush

Yates dude I am pretty sure QEP flow tested a non 2 prong and a 2 prong head. The 2 prong hesd supposedly flowed about 7% better, but I think these more powerful engines are down to the french building them on a friday / saturday special.

a bit contradicting of urself there giving a fact that its a hight flowin head the saying is bs !!!

23rd August 2008, 23:51

i had heard someone had tested both heads but was unsure on whether i made it up or had read it somewhere, i had qep in my head but couldnt confirm, i thought may of just been voices in my head

i actually heard it was dave that made the engine on a sat morning on overtime, frank usually made them midweek from what i read

23rd August 2008, 23:52

notice he uses the word supposedly...

23rd August 2008, 23:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yates

notice he uses the word supposedly...

fare nuff my error only new. jst trying to dig dirt on my mythical vts

23rd August 2008, 23:59

yeah i know mate just saying

tbh id heard someone had tested it but never ever seen results hence why people just say bullshit end of thread.

24th August 2008, 00:07

bah id just enjoy it for what it is and if your mates ask just say you got dom toretto to tune it

24th August 2008, 00:07

b bk soon with figures

24th August 2008, 00:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by l4nce-vts

b bk soon with figures

Hope you can show some results bud,would be nice!!!....

24th August 2008, 01:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush

Yates dude I am pretty sure QEP flow tested a non 2 prong and a 2 prong head. The 2 prong hesd supposedly flowed about 7% better, but I think these more powerful engines are down to the french building them on a friday / saturday special.

i read that too

24th August 2008, 06:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullit

i read that too

Very interesting, did citreon ever tell anyone why the other head flowed better?

Well i suppose if they did no-one would understand them!

24th August 2008, 07:30

yer lol have any1 els got a y reg/2000 vts with a 2prong head no egr valve and a single plug ecu??

24th August 2008, 07:47

One of our VTS's was that setup. Shame its in a million peices now, the engine was used elsewhere and all the other parts got scattered around.