The next step after breathing mods for bhp

1. user_25237 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 524

   #1 7th September 2008, 20:54

   The next step after breathing mods for best bhp increase
   
   so Ive got supersprint mani then supersprint exhaust system, lowered 50mm all round raceland induction complete with green airfilter wats the next step camms or throttlebodies im not entirely sure say ive got a 1k to spend ideas plz anything will do thanks JC
2. VTR-T Infrequent Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Sheffield Posts: 233 Posi Blue VTR 2000 reg.

   #2 7th September 2008, 20:55

   For 1k i'd spend it on management, this gives you a good base for future mod's and will improve the car more than anything else IMO.
3. user_25237 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 524

   #3 7th September 2008, 20:57

   when you mean mangement do you mean remap and ECu stuff sorry a little vague im a newbie remember sorry sounds good though just a little more detail
4. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

   #4 7th September 2008, 20:58

   you wont afford bodies and you need a cam anyway
   
   for that you can have a cam and mapped
5. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

   #5 7th September 2008, 20:59

   management will be a standolone system, so new one. no point if your not going bodies
6. Elliot17 L-plater Joined: Jun 2008 Ipswich Posts: 80 106 WITH VTR engine! so kinda saxo :D

   #6 7th September 2008, 20:59

   i reckon you should go for a cam, get some headwork done and get a remap, although throttle bodies are good, you'd need a standalone ecu and a custom inlet manifold which would take you well over your budget. Plus once cammed, if in a while you save up some more cash, throttle bodies are still obviously available if you want
7. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

   #7 7th September 2008, 21:01

   next step is the chassis.
   
   Cage, upper / lower strut brace, quality shocks / springs, sticky tyres
   
   I guarantee you'd be faster than with spending the same budget on engine mods alone
8. user_25237 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 524

   #8 7th September 2008, 21:02

   Any idea where i can get a standalone mangment system and what does this do techinically so cams it is and remap what does headwork envolve sorry for being a total noob gotta start somwhere
9. Elliot17 L-plater Joined: Jun 2008 Ipswich Posts: 80 106 WITH VTR engine! so kinda saxo :D

   #9 7th September 2008, 21:06

   standalone would be stuff like emerald, its just a custom ecu basically though cost up to 1k so very expensive. Get your head gas flowed, makes the most of the cam
10. Elliot17 L-plater Joined: Jun 2008 Ipswich Posts: 80 106 WITH VTR engine! so kinda saxo :D

    #10 7th September 2008, 21:11

    thinking about it for 1k you could get a VTS lump in there, although maybe not what u want, you are still gaining 20+ hp and have the potential for more gains further down the line..
11. user_25237 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 524

    #11 7th September 2008, 21:12

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Elliot17 standalone would be stuff like emerald, its just a custom ecu basically though cost up to 1k so very expensive. Get your head gas flowed, makes the most of the cam

    cheers i'll look into it thanks
    
    shud i worry about upgrading brakes at all or anything like that cos i will be going a bit quicker and finally wat bhp are you looking at after camming and remap thanks
12. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #12 7th September 2008, 21:14

    do brakes first
    
    prob around 120 130
13. Elliot17 L-plater Joined: Jun 2008 Ipswich Posts: 80 106 WITH VTR engine! so kinda saxo :D

    #13 7th September 2008, 21:15

    DEFINITELY get some brakes! 306 gti setup will set you back about £300 but it is soo worth doing! You should also consider stiffening up your suspension so cope with corners, its not all about hp!
    well its easily possible to have 120hp+ if you do all of that, think thats more then enough for a fellow 17 year old!
14. user_25237 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 524

    #14 7th September 2008, 21:16

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bullit do brakes first prob around 120 130

    
    120 as in size or is that disc size because i herd something about 306 calipers
15. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #15 7th September 2008, 21:17

    sorry thats power lol
    
    yeah 306. if vtr alloyes the 266 conversion. get them for 100. check forsale
16. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #16 7th September 2008, 21:20

    the 306 discs are 283mm diameter
    
    they do the job quite well definatley get a set as kam said sort the chassis out
    otherwise your lovely fast vtr will be a lovely piece of scrap
    
    make it stop and turn as well as it accelerates
17. Elliot17 L-plater Joined: Jun 2008 Ipswich Posts: 80 106 WITH VTR engine! so kinda saxo :D

    #17 7th September 2008, 21:21

    haha you lemon about 120hp
    think 306 discs are bout 283mm iirc
18. user_25237 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 524

    #18 7th September 2008, 21:22

    cheers so before camming i shud sort breaks and maby throw in there a strut brace and other chassis parts to stablise on turns ect
19. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #19 7th September 2008, 21:25

    yea id say so
    get a lower brace
    a set of brakes
    maybe some decent rubber (most important bit of all)
    
    theres your 1k gone but it is well spent
20. Elliot17 L-plater Joined: Jun 2008 Ipswich Posts: 80 106 WITH VTR engine! so kinda saxo :D

    #20 7th September 2008, 21:25

    that would be smarter yep! brakes are a must, then depending on your style of driving you decide if you want power or handling first
21. user_25237 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 524

    #21 7th September 2008, 21:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Elliot17 depending on your style of driving you decide if you want power or handling first

    i'll definitly need a car that handels well lol not that expereinced yet with speed
    
    kk i'll probably buy a tyre wheel package and get some rims gonna miss the classic VTR alloys lol black car should i get shadowed,white,black rimns, or even gold im think shadowed/ black
    
    yea and would i need new brake discs if i get the big 306 calipers
22. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #22 7th September 2008, 21:34

    yea youll need bigger discs
    
    the 306 ones will fit the sao so if you can get them too your golden lol!!
23. Elliot17 L-plater Joined: Jun 2008 Ipswich Posts: 80 106 WITH VTR engine! so kinda saxo :D

    #23 7th September 2008, 21:37

    obviously colour is up to you! you can go the whole stealth theme and get black alloys and smoke lights i suppose? Well as long as you get 15" rims you'll be fine for bigger discs
24. user_25237 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 524

    #24 7th September 2008, 21:38

    cant wait gonna hav to do little more saving with the money i'll get there soonish yea ive got a really good idea now how I should go about the next few steps cheers
25. user_25237 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 524

    #25 7th September 2008, 21:41

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Elliot17 Well as long as you get 15" rims you'll be fine for bigger discs

    
    So should i get 16"s or 17" or are they too big for a saxo
26. Elliot17 L-plater Joined: Jun 2008 Ipswich Posts: 80 106 WITH VTR engine! so kinda saxo :D

    #26 7th September 2008, 21:44

    they would look stupid and compromise your acceleration
    get 15s as i said
27. user_25237 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 524

    #27 7th September 2008, 21:48

    I didnt know bigger rims affects acceleration i was under the impression bigger wheels larger surface area more power at wheel or something anyway before camming shud i do the breaks and strut braces or wait after camming and when you cam do you have to remap
28. Elliot17 L-plater Joined: Jun 2008 Ipswich Posts: 80 106 WITH VTR engine! so kinda saxo :D

    #28 7th September 2008, 21:51

    well bigger wheels definitely do not make acceleration better!
    do brakes first, then as I said its up to you! You don't have to remap it but if you want a smooth idle and max power, its the smart thing to do
29. user_25237 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 524

    #29 7th September 2008, 22:01

    if you cam your car does it affect how much fuel you use up and will you use more just wondering
30. Elliot17 L-plater Joined: Jun 2008 Ipswich Posts: 80 106 WITH VTR engine! so kinda saxo :D

    #30 7th September 2008, 22:04

    haha yup you would definitely be using more fuel, it wouldnt be ridiculous but mpg would drop for sure
31. user_25237 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 524

    #31 7th September 2008, 22:11

    just been looking at these does this help you go quicker i mean if you can cnage gear quicker surely you can reach higher speed quicker
    
    http://www.kamracing.co.uk/peugeot-2...models-56.html
    
    im not sure though just wondering
32. Elliot17 L-plater Joined: Jun 2008 Ipswich Posts: 80 106 WITH VTR engine! so kinda saxo :D

    #32 7th September 2008, 22:17

    will simply reduce the time it takes to shift, so less time is wasted not accelerating, minimum difference really though, a faster car will still be faster! Though apparently they do make the shifts a lot firmer and nicer, quite a nice lil mod i guess
33. user_25237 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 524

    #33 7th September 2008, 22:19

    they are quite cheap really how hard are they to put in yourself or would I need an expert or just a garage
34. Elliot17 L-plater Joined: Jun 2008 Ipswich Posts: 80 106 WITH VTR engine! so kinda saxo :D

    #34 7th September 2008, 22:21

    easily done yourself mate.
    With a bit of instruction should only take 20 minutes
    ill help you out if you need
35. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #35 8th September 2008, 19:27

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Elliot17 haha you lemon about 120hp think 306 discs are bout 283mm iirc

    yeah they are. i meant the 266 setup from a 206 gti
    
    as said 15 are the perfomance wheel or keep your 14s and keep it standard looking.
36. saxo_ron Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2007 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 3017 Honda DC5, Gruppe M and j's racing

    #36 8th September 2008, 21:59

    Save some money, get 206 GTI brake setup for roughly £100 and keep your VTR rims,saving money all the way.
37. user_25237 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 524

    #37 9th September 2008, 17:41

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saxo_ron Save some money, get 206 GTI brake setup for roughly £100 and keep your VTR rims,saving money all the way.

    thanks so would you say the GTI 206 setup is better than the 306 calipers any idea where i could get these from cheers
38. Elliot17 L-plater Joined: Jun 2008 Ipswich Posts: 80 106 WITH VTR engine! so kinda saxo :D

    #38 9th September 2008, 22:31

    you are a confused boy JC
    206 setup will not be better then the 306 set up, but fit in 14" wheels so you dont need to get new alloys
    get them from eurocarparts or gsf
    much love
39. user_22085 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2008 Sheffield Posts: 574 98'SaxoVTR 88' R5 GTT

    #39 9th September 2008, 23:50

    1.Lower strut base - A couple for sale in the for sale thread - At most £50
    2.266mm Conversion - Think theres a set in the for sale thread too - £150 with some decent pads and disc's
    3.Tyres - I Would recommend toyo proxies - £40-£50 a pop
    In all £400 and as said before dont make your car like a 2.0 Corsa fast in a straight line and In a ditch evry corner
    Sully