Induction Kit for a 1.1?

1. Sneakydevil89 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2008 Exeter Posts: 4738 Seat Ibiza 1.9 TDi

   #1 8th September 2008, 22:31

   Right so im possibly looking into an induction kit for my 1.1, but dont really know what to go for.
   
   Just want to gauge prices and difficulty of fitment and stuff.
   
   This is my engine, i believe its an mpi engine, but not 100% sure as i dont know how to tell the difference, was just told it was.
   
   
2. Matty-VTR Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Cheltenham Posts: 920 Silver VTR & Gunmetal Grey VTR

   #2 8th September 2008, 23:13

   Wouldn't bother unless you just want a nice roar to it? - because it wouldn't give much if not any power increase atall...If so the pipercross foam filters are supposed to be the loudest
3. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

   #3 8th September 2008, 23:13

   just like my engine lol
   
   
   i got told my engine is a blacktop ? not sure what it is lol
4. Sammy-Boy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2008 Spalding, Lincolnshire Posts: 5049 Posi Blue Citroen Saxo 1.1 Mk2

   #4 8th September 2008, 23:20

   Not on the same line mate but how did you fit that strut brace?
5. Marshy Established Member Joined: Sep 2007 Plymouth Posts: 1951 Ibiza FR Tdi

   #5 9th September 2008, 00:25

   Pipercross panel filter would be your best bet on that engine, seems to be ok on my 1.1
6. alextoffie Established Member Joined: Sep 2007 Bolton Posts: 1300 Mauritius blue VTR

   #6 9th September 2008, 00:36

   if you're gonna put a panel filter in stick to green or k&n
7. Sneakydevil89 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2008 Exeter Posts: 4738 Seat Ibiza 1.9 TDi

   #7 9th September 2008, 11:17

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by mymintsaxo just like my engine lol i got told my engine is a blacktop ? not sure what it is lol

   yeah it looks the same, iv heard of blacktop but wouldnt know if it was either!
   
   

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by sams1989 Not on the same line mate but how did you fit that strut brace?

   it easy, just unscrew the nuts that hold the suspension arm inplace (while the car IS NOT jacked up or anything) put the brace on and tighten screws again.
   
   

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by alextoffie if you're gonna put a panel filter in stick to green or k&n

   cheers mate, ill look into that.
8. Ashleyp Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2008 Bedford & Manchester Posts: 17504

   #8 9th September 2008, 11:27

   not worth it mate
   
   inductions just sound chavvy when put on a 1.1 imo
   
   no offence to you personally
   
   but they dont give much power, and when it comes to sell itll be harder due to mods on engine
9. Harv Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2007 Mold Posts: 2936 EP3 Civic Type R

   #9 9th September 2008, 13:14

   I think its utter bollocks when people say it won't make a difference. Of course it will.
   
   1) Look at snewham's sax...it had a raceland induction kit and supersprint manifold with exhaust system and that made 75bhp instead of its standard 60.
   
   2) Look at that evolution's 206. That made an extra 7bhp due to an induction kit alone.
   
   Mine currently has a 4-2-1 manifold on, and that has made quite a fair difference in power. Im hoping for around 60bhp+ when it has its induction on (50bhp standard).
   
   Go for something like a raceland or BMC is you have the money mate. It will make a difference if you have other mods such as manifold and system etc. Just because you dont have a VTR doesn't mean that if won't affect it as it WILL!!
10. Matt67 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2008 Kent Posts: 2653 1.6 16v C2 GT

    #10 9th September 2008, 13:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Harv I think its utter bollocks when people say it won't make a difference. Of course it will.

    Here Here
11. user_25706 Established Member Joined: Jul 2008 Taunton, Somerset Posts: 1182 Millenium Falcon

    #11 9th September 2008, 13:33

    Well said Harv. It follows sense that any Saxo Engine whether 8v 1.1, 1.6 or 16v 1.6, it will have an similar ratio increase. Granted You may see more of an improvement in higher power cars, but that's simply because it has more power to start with. I expect If a test was to be done, and you did the same mods (Induction, Mani etc) to both a 1.1 and a VTR the RATIO of "power" to "power gained" would be almost identical.
12. moxy89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Southampton Posts: 8188 Astra vxr with added boost

    #12 9th September 2008, 15:22

    mate urs is an SPI engine not an MPI engine
13. moxy89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Southampton Posts: 8188 Astra vxr with added boost

    #13 9th September 2008, 15:25

    same as mine i went for a green induction kit sounds great....
14. Harv Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2007 Mold Posts: 2936 EP3 Civic Type R

    #14 9th September 2008, 16:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sax_Dan Well said Harv. It follows sense that any Saxo Engine whether 8v 1.1, 1.6 or 16v 1.6, it will have an similar ratio increase. Granted You may see more of an improvement in higher power cars, but that's simply because it has more power to start with. I expect If a test was to be done, and you did the same mods (Induction, Mani etc) to both a 1.1 and a VTR the RATIO of "power" to "power gained" would be almost identical.

    I agree although VTR/S's will see more difference as they breath better due to having larger engines. But like I said, you still will see a difference if you went on the rollers.
    
    Mine will be going on them soon so I will be able to say how much I have gained due to the mods. Of course its never going to be as powerful as a VTR and you will probably never get to VTR bhp but insurance is a major factor in this. I also wouldn't class my 1.0 slow at all, it gets to 60 about the same as a 1.4 saxo just after that mine kind of slows down.
    
    Evolution (think thats his name) will be looking at VTR power from a 1.1 206 engine. Thats nearly 30-40bhp more than standard (although he has done more mods to his engine but its still cool)!!
15. user_25706 Established Member Joined: Jul 2008 Taunton, Somerset Posts: 1182 Millenium Falcon

    #15 10th September 2008, 09:32

    That's what I meant really. Say for example an exhaust system and an inclosed induction adds 15 BHP to a 98 BHP VTR, that's around a 15% power increase. A 15% power increase on a 1.1 would be around 9 BHP, which seems about the right amount (maybe a bit less), so I get what your saying about bigger engines having a bigger number increase, but I think in terms of the ratio of current power, to power gained, will be fairly similar across the whole range.
16. Sneakydevil89 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2008 Exeter Posts: 4738 Seat Ibiza 1.9 TDi

    #16 10th September 2008, 10:23

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saxoll mate urs is an SPI engine not an MPI engine

    thats what i meant, but i was just being a spanner lol
    
    cheers for all the responses guys, didnt think anyone would take an interest.
    
    so think im going to get in contact with kamracing i think it is and check about fitment of an enclosed raceland.
17. adamleese Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2008 Nottingham Posts: 809 Mitsubishi Lancer Gsr 1.8 turbo Peugeot 106, 1.1

    #17 6th October 2008, 22:15

    i was going to do the same thing mate i really want to know if the raceland will fit mine, have you found any info out yet.
    adam.
18. TuningLeader Newbie Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 15 Saxo

    #18 6th October 2008, 22:21

    yeah go for green sounds really nice
19. muhuha Frequent Poster Joined: May 2008 Kingston, Surrey Posts: 966 saxo 1.1

    #19 6th October 2008, 22:21

    Raceland will fit, youll need to bend the supplied bracket to a L shape and maybe bodge another like i did but it fits fine and i think it does make a difference. Definatly picks up quicker ill give you that and speedo indicated 3/4mph faster in 1st gear.
    
    Tbh its sounds alright, flew a bit of a nob at first but not i love it but jusifying £80 i duno.... (i wana gana make some fibreglass shells to be cheaper tbh but effort. Would cost pennies...