Important! : HELP NEEDED! [IMMOBILISER BLACK BOX???] 16v Engine Conversion 99.99% Complete[Pictures]

17th September 2008, 09:41

In the Middle of doing a 16v Conversion. Engine from 106GTI into a 106 Quicksilver.

Can we run the Engine without a Return Fuel Line?

Will the 1.4 Fuel pump giv the engine enough fuel pressure to run ok?

Once we Change The ECU, Ignition Barrell & Black Box under the Glovebox Will it Fire?

The Top Left Coolant Hose with the Bleed Nipple on it. How Does the Clip fit onto it?

The Oil Level Sensor on the Sump has been damaged. Am i right in thinking this shouldnt matter unless we use GTI Dials? as Quicksilver Dials doesnt have the Level Gauge.

There is a pipe that looks like a fuel line, that comes from under the drivers wing attatched to some sort of canister. Anyone know where this pipe should go to you can see it in the 4th Picture down if u look at the altenator

Thanks

17th September 2008, 09:56

dont think you will need to change the ignition barrel? aslong as have the same ecu and key to match that ecu will be fine.

If dont have the key for that ecu will need to get it unlocked.

17th September 2008, 09:57

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Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

dont think you will need to change the ignition barrel? aslong as have the same ecu and key to match that ecu will be fine.

If dont have the key for that ecu will need to get it unlocked.

Sorry Yea we have the Key for the GTI engine.

So dont need to change the Ignition Barrell?

17th September 2008, 10:16

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Originally Posted by ScottyD-VTS

Sorry Yea we have the Key for the GTI engine.

So dont need to change the Ignition Barrell?

if you used the gti key in the quicksilver barrel surely the key wouldnt go in or turn

17th September 2008, 10:16

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Originally Posted by ScottyD-VTS

In the Middle of doing a 16v Conversion. Engine from 106GTI into a 106 Quicksilver.

Can we run the Engine without a Return Fuel Line?

Will the 1.4 Fuel pump giv the engine enough fuel pressure to run ok?

Once we Change The ECU, Ignition Barrell & Black Box under the Glovebox Will it Fire?

The Top Left Coolant Hose with the Bleed Nipple on it. How Does the Clip fit onto it?

The Oil Level Sensor on the Sump has been damaged. Am i right in thinking this shouldnt matter unless we use GTI Dials? as Quicksilver Dials doesnt have the Level Gauge.

There is a pipe that looks like a fuel line, that comes from under the drivers wing attatched to some sort of canister. Anyone know where this pipe should go to you can see it in the 4th Picture down if u look at the altenator

Thanks

im sure it wont run without a return fuel pipe...

the gti has a oil temperature gauge not a level sensor.. so you will probly have an oil light on if sensor is broke...

and the clip for the coolant pipe should either be like a springy clip thing or one of those ones where u need to clamp it or just tighten with a screwdriver...

and i think your best putting a 1.6 fuel pump in there

hope this helps justin

17th September 2008, 10:18

basicly u need the gti key, barrely and ecu

unless i think you can get those unlocked ecu's

17th September 2008, 11:10

The car will run without the return, some run better than others, some engines dont care at all. In my experience 9/10 engines run fine without it.

Not having the level sensor is not the end of the world, after a few seconds the level switchs over too temp, after that the light will go out. Always best to have it though eh?

The clip on that connection is a kind of horse show shape, fits into 2 small grooves on the pipe, its an obvious connection when it falls into places, those pipes do get stiff. So make sure the pipes fully home.

That fuel pump will be fine, but if you have a VTS pump, stick it in, its only a 10 min job

Hope that little lot helps you out

Ross

17th September 2008, 11:31

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Originally Posted by RCD-Performance

The car will run without the return, some run better than others, some engines dont care at all. In my experience 9/10 engines run fine without it.

Not having the level sensor is not the end of the world, after a few seconds the level switchs over too temp, after that the light will go out. Always best to have it though eh?

The clip on that connection is a kind of horse show shape, fits into 2 small grooves on the pipe, its an obvious connection when it falls into places, those pipes do get stiff. So make sure the pipes fully home.

That fuel pump will be fine, but if you have a VTS pump, stick it in, its only a 10 min job

Hope that little lot helps you out

Ross

Thanks alot yea cleared a few things up. Rep 4 all

17th September 2008, 23:52

Just been finishing the Car off tonight.

When we tried to fire it up it would not Fire would only Turnover.

We then swapped the 1.6 16v GTI ECU to the Original 1.48v Magnetti Marelli ECU. First turn of the Key it Fired Straight away.

Why is it running on the 1.4 ECU but not the 16v?

Weve changed the ignition barrel transponder and using the GTI KEY. & 1.4 ECU runs perfect.

Weve come to a conclusion that the black immobiliser box needs to be changed. This is from the Main Wiring loom from the GTI Picture :-

For the Car to run on the 1.6 16v ECU

Can someone tell me where this box is on the Quicksilver, weve hunted high and low and cant find it.

18th September 2008, 09:14

Anyone have any answers where that black box is on a quicksilver?
'99 V Plate

18th September 2008, 09:23

thats not the immobiliser box mate, it may be....however all the ones ive ever seen are about half the size of that.

there normally under the dash, left hand side, about directly behind the glovebox.

18th September 2008, 09:26

Right so its a smaller box than this?

Whats that box in the picture do you know?

Can you tell me why the car is running with a 1.4 ECU and not the GTI? Surely it shouldnt even fire?

Will it be ok to run the car with the 1.4 ECU? or will it run shit altogether?

18th September 2008, 09:26

Right so its a smaller box than this?

Whats that box in the picture do you know?

Can you tell me why the car is running with a 1.4 ECU and not the GTI? Surely it shouldnt even fire?

Will it be ok to run the car with the 1.4 ECU? or will it run shit altogether?

When we took that black box out of the 106 GTI, it was directly above the glovebox.

But on the Quicksilver its an empty space

18th September 2008, 09:36

Wierd.

Right, dont run it on the 1.4 ECU.
That box could be seat belt pretensioners, im not sure, some one will correct me there.

I'm unsure of the pin layout on the 1.4 ECU, however im sure there much the same.

It would be worth trying an UNLOCKED VTS ECU and that will answer your question.

Ross

18th September 2008, 09:42

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Originally Posted by RCD-Performance

Wierd.

Right, dont run it on the 1.4 ECU.
That box could be seat belt pretensioners, im not sure, some one will correct me there.

I'm unsure of the pin layout on the 1.4 ECU, however im sure there much the same.

It would be worth trying an UNLOCKED VTS ECU and that will answer your question.

Ross

The only reason we are unsure of running the 1.4 ECU is incase the map is wrong and over fuels the engine melting a piston etc.

Unlocked VTS ECU is out of the question too much money for the sake of finding an immobiliser box swapping that and plugging in the GTI ECU. Should solve the problem.

Just a case of finding this daft black box.

The way were thinking is the 1.4 ECU and the existing black box is coded to each other thats how when we turn it its firing. But if we put the GTI ECU on which is not coded to the black box it doesnt fire.

Take it noone on here has done a 16v Conversion? Or thats how it seems. Because surely someone will know why it wont fire on the GTI ECU but will on the 1.4.

Even the Red immobiliser light is working normally. So everything is hooked up right just need to find why it wont run on the 16v ECU

20th September 2008, 17:20

I'm taking a punt here:

It's firing on the 1.4 Ecu as the key/immobiliser all match up etc.

With the black box still on,you could have locked the gti Ecu,or there's no spark due to the immobilized bits don't match up, key vs. Ecu

Loads ppl on here have done a 16v conversion,ive kept the 1.4 pump in there and all seems fine.

If I was you I'd get it running on the 1.4 Ecu, whilst running unplug the black box,it's right up and under the dash,then you'll have an unlocked 1.4 Ecu to sell. Now send your 16v Ecu off to get unlocked,around £80 all in,then you won't need to worry

20th September 2008, 17:26

Wen I removed my 16v engine from a gti I couldn't find the immobiliser box,think it was a 98 car,but someone may have removed it before me for sum reason.

Spending £80 on getting the gti Ecu unlocked is nothing in the grand scheme of things,especially in my situation getting bent over for insurance

21st September 2008, 18:33

does the engine turn over or pump fuel? or just no spark

21st September 2008, 18:37

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Originally Posted by jonezy

does the engine turn over or pump fuel? or just no spark

Yes the Engine Turned Over first turn of the key and Runs. Weve had the car out for a blast running on the 1.4 ECU overfuels and doesnt idle at all. Even Runs like a 1.4 so power at all. although it redlines but not VTS/GTi performance.

Weve got the GTI Ecu packaged ready to send down south to be unlocked.

Hopefully will sort it

26th March 2009, 01:37

sry to zap life into this thread but just for the information.

the black box pictued with texton written on it is for the alarm, on the right side of the passenger footwell, i mistook it for the immobiliser unit first time i tried it.

26th March 2009, 14:30

with this convertion did u just plug the gti loom into the quiky body?

cheers

26th March 2009, 14:36

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Originally Posted by quikpug0121

with this convertion did u just plug the gti loom into the quiky body?

cheers

in a 106 it will yes
the saxos and 106s run different plugsso in a furio it was probably not as straight forward

26th March 2009, 14:45

spot on cheers mate