3 Stud to 4 Stud?

1. dannyboy2005 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 BEDFORD, GUILDFORD, WAYBRIDGE Posts: 4172 Punt -y0

   #1 17th September 2008, 20:46

   Hi
   
   I want some alloy wheels for my car, i only have 3 stud front and back :L. I don't want to change the brake shoes nor anything else. I believe you can buy a conversion from 3 to 4? Anyone know what this is called and where to find it?
   
   Also.. what are spacers?
   
   Rep awaiting
   
   thanks!
2. NICK2506 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2008 Surrey Posts: 6424 Black '03 Mk2 VTS

   #2 17th September 2008, 20:52

   Spacers make the wheel stick out from the car more. Some people but spacers on so that they look better, although if your wheel sticks out more than the wheel arch it is actually illegal. Most people though use them to change the offset. If the wheel is designed for Fords, then the hib to the face of the alloy will be different compared to a saxo/106. So some people want alloys that you cant get for saxos/106 so you need spacers or else they will be far in the wheel arch and look stupid
   Anyone correct me if I'm wrong, thats just what I think
3. Marcos Established Member Joined: Oct 2007 Heysham Posts: 2371 Transit connect

   #3 17th September 2008, 21:01

   yeah your right nick lot of hassle in it tho as spacers have to be about 30mm as known 2 people who wanted to was going to cost to much as for your stud conversion kit it wont be cheap there about £120 for 4stud - 5 stud havnt seen any 3stud - 4 stud about try ebay
4. dannyboy2005 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 BEDFORD, GUILDFORD, WAYBRIDGE Posts: 4172 Punt -y0

   #4 17th September 2008, 21:03

   So basically if you have a wide 'bodykit' you have spacers to make the wheels look in proportion.. thats what i thought. But why not buy thicker wheels? Look's and handles better?
   
   Still need help about 3 to 4 studs
   
   I want VTR alloys or something. And then going to put a VTR bodykit on.
5. NICK2506 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2008 Surrey Posts: 6424 Black '03 Mk2 VTS

   #5 17th September 2008, 21:17

   because some wheels only come in certain widths, so if you want certain wheels you can only get them in one width. Also some body kits are so wide you would need a very wide wheel.
   I think quite large spacers are bad for the chassis though, ive heard they put strain on it may be wrong though
6. Marcos Established Member Joined: Oct 2007 Heysham Posts: 2371 Transit connect

   #6 17th September 2008, 21:36

   i think they would put more strain on bolts trying to bend up tbh
7. dannyboy2005 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 BEDFORD, GUILDFORD, WAYBRIDGE Posts: 4172 Punt -y0

   #7 17th September 2008, 22:03

   Well if its goin to be that much, i'll look for 3 stud alloys, or the multistud ones. Like you said Marcos It willl put more stress on the bolts and the surrounding areas, i can imagine it.
   
   Thanks
8. dannyboy2005 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 BEDFORD, GUILDFORD, WAYBRIDGE Posts: 4172 Punt -y0

   #8 17th September 2008, 22:14

   Well couldn't i buy 4 stud break drums and 4 stud break disc's.. would it work that way?
   
   Thanks
   Dan
9. holman Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2008 saltash cornwall Posts: 109 saxo east coast 1.1! mango wagon!

   #9 17th September 2008, 22:23

   nope, ur wheels arnt held on by the drums and disks, i think. and yea if ur looking into spending hundreds on stud conversions cash in and buy a 1.1 with 4 stud, or a 1.4. but imo id just find sum reasonable 3 stud alloys!
10. MF_Domingo Infrequent Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Manchester Posts: 150 Saxo mk2 vtr 2003

    #10 17th September 2008, 23:54

    becareful though that your wheels dont patrude out of the wheel arches because the police will really bum you for it very illegal, if u have ur heart set on them just extend the wheel arches out abit so there in line with the wheels because if im not mistaken that is perfectly legal
11. MF_Domingo Infrequent Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Manchester Posts: 150 Saxo mk2 vtr 2003

    #11 17th September 2008, 23:54

    btw parantly its because sticky out wheels up stones and somethin to do with running people over lol
12. MF_Domingo Infrequent Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Manchester Posts: 150 Saxo mk2 vtr 2003

    #12 17th September 2008, 23:55

    throw up stone**
13. Jayharry L-plater Joined: Oct 2008 wrexham Posts: 31 saxo mk 1

    #13 22nd October 2008, 10:12

    I have the same problem, ive been to my local car garage and they quoted me £110 a pair for spacers ! so if you've got the cash then it might be worth it but if not just get 3 stud wheels !
14. willsy West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S

    #14 22nd October 2008, 15:20

    Hey guys, i havn't got time to write a full reply now, but ill write one later with the proper way of converting to 4 stud without the need for spacers.
15. autocustoms Infrequent Poster Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 169

    #15 22nd October 2008, 15:28

    best of just getting front hubs and rear axle of a 4 stud car and swapping over
16. Bladen Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Surrey Posts: 148 2002 Citreon Saxo desire 1.1

    #16 30th October 2008, 12:27

    So can anyone write a guide on how to go 3stud-4stud? Or link me to one if theres already one written
17. blackvtrt Established Member Joined: Jun 2008 Newcastle/ Billingham Posts: 1873 02 Gold Cleaned OEM+ VTR

    #17 30th October 2008, 12:46

    ye as said you either need hub adaptors, which noramlly incorparate a spacer. Hubcentric is the only way to go really tbh especially with adaptors. Ull need to get longer studs possibley and different wheel nuts, as has been said probably just as cheap to convert to 4 stud axel/ setup from a later model
18. willsy West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S

    #18 30th October 2008, 14:44

    It is cheaper to just get the correct parts to swap over with.
    
    Theres many different ways that you can do it, depending how much money you want to spend
    
    Buying a rear axle with 4 stud drums will be really cheap as not many people look for drum beams.
    Or whilst your at it you could buy a VTR or VTS rear beam and upgrade to rear disks too whilst your at it
    
    Front you're best buying the lower part of the struts off a 4 stud car, making sure that the bearings in the hub are decent of course.
    lower modelled ones later 1.1's should be really cheap.
    
    Or if you get 1.4, vtr or vts ones then theyll have the extra attachment for the potential to add a VTS front anti roll bar should you wish to do so, not necessary but the options there.
    
    Once these parts are fitted you'll be able to fit the vtr wheels which you've wanted/it opens up a much wider selection than the 3 stud ones
19. Add91289 Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 In The Peak District Posts: 2348 Icelandic VT?

    #19 30th October 2008, 17:56

    iv got some 3 to 4 stud converters. for sale if you want?
    
20. Bladen Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Surrey Posts: 148 2002 Citreon Saxo desire 1.1

    #20 30th October 2008, 18:14

    anyone got an estimate on what it would cost to get the front hubs and rear axle from a scrappy?
21. saxo_bigbass Established Member Joined: Feb 2008 bedfordshire Posts: 1681 audi a3

    #21 30th October 2008, 18:16

    sell ya car man.
22. willsy West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S

    #22 31st October 2008, 10:15

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bladen anyone got an estimate on what it would cost to get the front hubs and rear axle from a scrappy?

    £150 plus, depending on what spec ones you buy.
    
    Its dirst cheap for drum rear beams and 1.1 4 stud front hubs.
    
    Maybe around £250 for VTR/VTS ones with a disk rear beam
23. Bladen Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Surrey Posts: 148 2002 Citreon Saxo desire 1.1

    #23 31st October 2008, 13:13

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by willsy £150 plus, depending on what spec ones you buy. Its dirst cheap for drum rear beams and 1.1 4 stud front hubs. Maybe around £250 for VTR/VTS ones with a disk rear beam

    yeah, maybe cheaper to do that and buy some second hand vts alloys than spend 400+ on decent 3 studs.
24. saxo_madman Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2007 hayes Posts: 294 PUG 306 D TURBO

    #24 31st October 2008, 20:17

    i tried this idea...all the parts i brought from the scrappie turned out to be unuseable.
    
    i got the rear beam for 50 quid and front struts 20 pound each
25. PeteSaxo Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2010 Stourbridge Posts: 215 Saxo 1.1 Mk1

    #25 19th November 2010, 14:12

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Add91289 iv got some 3 to 4 stud converters. for sale if you want?

    How much?
26. chinkostu Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2008 The wrong carpark Posts: 5152 Xantia 1.9TD

    #26 19th November 2010, 14:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PeteSaxo How much?

    30th October 2008, 17:56
27. user_48023 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2010 Bournemouth/Edmonton/Chelmsford Posts: 2650 Audi A3

    #27 19th November 2010, 14:19

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Add91289 iv got some 3 to 4 stud converters. for sale if you want?

    mate there excactly what i need to! did you do them yourself or buy them like that? you still go them?
28. user_48023 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2010 Bournemouth/Edmonton/Chelmsford Posts: 2650 Audi A3

    #28 19th November 2010, 14:20

    just realised it was 2008 too, my bad lol
29. PeteSaxo Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2010 Stourbridge Posts: 215 Saxo 1.1 Mk1

    #29 19th November 2010, 14:33

    Same haha!
30. mosh L-plater Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 41

    #30 22nd November 2010, 00:39

    ive got 106 1.1 4 stud hubs and axle if anyones interested??
31. user_48023 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2010 Bournemouth/Edmonton/Chelmsford Posts: 2650 Audi A3

    #31 22nd November 2010, 13:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mosh ive got 106 1.1 4 stud hubs and axle if anyones interested??

    replied to your pm mate..
32. laton88 Newbie Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 2

    #32 24th February 2013, 13:54

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Add91289 iv got some 3 to 4 stud converters. for sale if you want?

    hello mate can you help me i wanted to know if 3 studs will go on 4 stud set up
    or do i need the converters and how much are yours
    contact me on laton777@ymail.com
    thanks
33. laton88 Newbie Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 2

    #33 24th February 2013, 13:55

    how much mate
34. Jizanthapus Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 3593

    #34 24th February 2013, 14:04

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PeteSaxo How much?

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Delboy mate there excactly what i need to! did you do them yourself or buy them like that? you still go them?

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by laton88 hello mate can you help me i wanted to know if 3 studs will go on 4 stud set up or do i need the converters and how much are yours contact me on laton777@ymail.com thanks

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by laton88 how much mate

    Wow can you people not read?
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by chinkostu 30th October 2008, 17:56

35. Reegs Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 114

    #35 24th February 2013, 22:46

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bladen anyone got an estimate on what it would cost to get the front hubs and rear axle from a scrappy?

    I'd personally do what I did for my sons, which was to get a whole scrap car, at least all the bits will be there, and will probably work out just as cheap, if not cheaper.