best brake set up

1. euro-vtr Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2007 bournemouth Posts: 126 saxo vt- and r6

   #1 3rd November 2008, 13:30

   just got my 3rd vtr in grey got big plans for it already got a bit of kit for engine an full system but it was off road for year and drove it probly 100 miles brakes are still really bad,
   
   i have heard best opion is performance pads on standard disc, but i an tempted to upgrade the fronts i was thiking brembo off 406 coupe as you can get them from peugeot for 200 each caliper but is there a better option?
   
   also all my last saxos have been so low on the back even after adjustment the bios has still locked the back wheels up all the time
2. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

   #2 3rd November 2008, 13:36

   best bet is to have a search as its covered alot lately.
   
   you will need spacers for the brembos. I did a group buy on the wilwoods its still going at the top of this section but need 15 inch wheels.
   
   For 14 inch you can fit 266mm discs and the relevant calipers
3. euro-vtr Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2007 bournemouth Posts: 126 saxo vt- and r6

   #3 3rd November 2008, 13:40

   thats fine i have 15" on it i will have a look at that one cheers
4. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

   #4 3rd November 2008, 13:57

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by euro-vtr thats fine i have 15" on it i will have a look at that one cheers

   i got mine there good quality £412 delivered then get the hoses from swampy there is a group buy on that aswel.
5. user_16747 Banned Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 4328

   #5 3rd November 2008, 17:28

   brembo are good
   as are gti6 calipers
   
   good pads.
   avoid greenstuff
   
   my favs are pagid rs4 blue, they aint cheap but they are brilliant pads
   
   what ever you go for change up to braided lines
   i can supply these, either as a set of four or just a front pair.
   
   either for gti6 fitment calipers or brembo fitement (these come complete with new wahsers and banjo bolts.)
6. euro-vtr Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2007 bournemouth Posts: 126 saxo vt- and r6

   #6 4th November 2008, 08:59

   how much for a full set of braded then will it recduce brake fade alot
7. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

   #7 4th November 2008, 09:32

   best is difficult to spec!
   
   In an ideal world the brakes would be small, light brakes, won't suffer from fade under heavy use, work from cold, with good initial bite and pedal feel, high coefficient of friction and with a low wear rate - oh and be cheap
   
   Depending on the application / weight / use of the vehicle sometimes you have to make a compromise somewhere
8. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

   #8 4th November 2008, 09:33

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by euro-vtr how much for a full set of braded then will it recduce brake fade alot

   the hoses are £40 in the group buy.
   They dont reduce brake fade as such but they give a better pedal feel.
   
   Fade comes from over heated pads/discs.
9. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

   #9 4th November 2008, 09:35

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by euro-vtr how much for a full set of braded then will it recduce brake fade alot

   they don't help at all in that regard. They just replace the old hoses that may be flexing slightly... improving pedal feel
   
   Brake fade is caused by heat so you need to look at managing that.
   
   You can use brake pad compounds and brake fluid that cope with high temperatures, while perhaps installing some brake cooling ducts..
   
   another solution is to fit bigger discs that act as a larger heat sink.
10. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #10 4th November 2008, 09:45

    or drilled discs which help the heat escape.
    
    TBH if your not taking it to the track theres no joy in fitting pads like m1144 mintex, standard mintex would do.
    
    Even at croft with cheap discs and pads i never over heated mine, but thats because there is plenty of straight so they dont really get too much heat in them.
    
    I did however totally fry them at rockingham after a few hardcore laps.
    
    For sharper braking i recommend upgrading to 266mm with oem mintex discs and pads, thats good enough for road use and the odd track day imo.
11. Jordy6969 Established Member Joined: Sep 2008 Sittingbourne, Kent Posts: 1161 My bike

    #11 4th November 2008, 09:49

    On my VTR the front brakes are grinding and squeaking all over the shop and im guessing that it is probably metal on metal.
    
    I got some calipers from a berlingo and bought some 266mm discs and pads. It cost me around £95 for all of it and should be fitting them this weekend
    
    Can't wait!!!
12. euro-vtr Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2007 bournemouth Posts: 126 saxo vt- and r6

    #12 4th November 2008, 10:17

    yeah qould i be better off useing 5.1 as for abs it would be better at high temps, brakes arent good at the moment car was off road for a year done over 300 miles now got better but not good enough think il take it apartthis weekend see what the discs are like get ned standard discs and a set of performance pads
13. euro-vtr Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2007 bournemouth Posts: 126 saxo vt- and r6

    #13 4th November 2008, 10:19

    i may take to track but not very often i just remember on my last vtr i did about 3 min hard driving cornering and brakeing and after 3 min the brakes had faded quite a lot and they were drilled and groved but i have been told standard discs are best
14. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #14 4th November 2008, 12:10

    vtr brakes arent the best tbh
    i mamaged to fade a set on my 1.1 (which tbh weighed very little so didnt stress them much)
    i had some wilwoods on my old vts and it was the best thing i bought for the car
    atm i have some 266s waiting for discs and pads for my 106 and tbh on road they should do the job quite well
    
    i would say a set of 266s and some good pads should do the trick nicely
15. bakkipouch Established Member Joined: Sep 2007 Lincoln Posts: 1423 furio

    #15 4th November 2008, 13:26

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jordy6969 On my VTR the front brakes are grinding and squeaking all over the shop and im guessing that it is probably metal on metal. I got some calipers from a berlingo and bought some 266mm discs and pads. It cost me around £95 for all of it and should be fitting them this weekend Can't wait!!!

    wonldnt get to excited mate lol dont feel any different to me tbh....
16. user_16747 Banned Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 4328

    #16 4th November 2008, 13:36

    as said above
    braided lines will help pedal feel and also reduce the pressure you need to exert on said pedal to get the same braking force
    
    
    group buy price is £40 and i can spec them to any caliper disk size combination you want to for them too