'throw you back' power

1. Rob-C Established Member Joined: Nov 2007 Maidstone Posts: 1223 Citroen Saxo VTR MK2

   #1 3rd November 2008, 18:59

   im ordering my cam hopefully this week for next week and was just wondering if im best going for the newman cam ph1 or ph3
   
   i just want power thats going to throw you back when you put your foot down, kinda like more instant power
   
   as some people know i got a raceland 4-2-1 manifold, supersprint race exhaust including race centre pipe and back box along with raceland induction + green filter
   
   so to add to some 'throw back' power which would be better for this the ph1 with revs from 1500-5500 or the ph3 with revs from 3000-7000
2. Rob-C Established Member Joined: Nov 2007 Maidstone Posts: 1223 Citroen Saxo VTR MK2

   #2 3rd November 2008, 19:38

   bumpyyyy
3. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

   #3 3rd November 2008, 19:39

   id go for the ph 3 mate
   its a standard choice to get a good poke from you car
   should see about 150 from it with a good map
   that gives a good kick when you give it some foot down action
4. Rob-C Established Member Joined: Nov 2007 Maidstone Posts: 1223 Citroen Saxo VTR MK2

   #4 3rd November 2008, 19:50

   but wouldnt i need to be in a high rev to get a good kick from a ph3?
   
   also 150bhp with a good map? you know its a vtr not a vts dont you? lol
5. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #5 3rd November 2008, 19:50

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Alex-VTS id go for the ph 3 mate its a standard choice to get a good poke from you car should see about 150 from it with a good map that gives a good kick when you give it some foot down action

   150 from an 8v no way.
6. tobyk Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2008 Aberdeenshire Posts: 129 Mk2 Golf GTI 16v Mk3 Golf GTI 8v

   #6 3rd November 2008, 19:50

   Low end grunt is what makes a car feel quick, if the power builds gradually like a tuned N/A car, then you don't notice it as much as stamping the throttle at 2k rpm and getting pushed into your seat...
   
   Also... 150 bhp from a VTR with a cam? Really?
7. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

   #7 3rd November 2008, 19:51

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Ryan 150 from an 8v no way.

   apologies i thought he had a vts
   prolly about 120 ish from a vtr
   
   
   tbh you spend more time around 3k whilst driving anyway so its a good cam the ph1 starts too low down the revs imo
8. Rob-C Established Member Joined: Nov 2007 Maidstone Posts: 1223 Citroen Saxo VTR MK2

   #8 3rd November 2008, 19:52

   so if i get a ph3 il put my foot down and when it hits 3k i will feel a slight increase in pulling power?
9. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #9 3rd November 2008, 19:53

   1500-5500 id doubt will be much wilder than standard though tbh. so wouldnt give 'throw back power'
10. Rob-C Established Member Joined: Nov 2007 Maidstone Posts: 1223 Citroen Saxo VTR MK2

    #10 3rd November 2008, 19:54

    as i said mate, if i get a ph3 il put my foot down and when it hits 3k i will feel a slight increase in pulling power?
11. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #11 3rd November 2008, 19:55

    youll feel a little kick as the car comes into the power like
12. Rob-C Established Member Joined: Nov 2007 Maidstone Posts: 1223 Citroen Saxo VTR MK2

    #12 3rd November 2008, 20:04

    are there any other mods that will help improve it? would tb's give it more kick?
13. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #13 3rd November 2008, 20:10

    your best charging it over bodies also as said you want ph3 or not worth it
14. Rob-C Established Member Joined: Nov 2007 Maidstone Posts: 1223 Citroen Saxo VTR MK2

    #14 3rd November 2008, 20:12

    just a quick question...
    
    when i get my newman cam fitted do they fit the cam and time it up as standard timing untill i get it remapped?
15. wrighty89 Established Member Joined: Oct 2008 Washington Posts: 1232 MK5 Ibiza Cupra

    #15 3rd November 2008, 20:15

    if you can be bothered, soure a s2 rallye head, put a cat cam 645 in and you'll be getting close to mid 140's and the torque will be amazing, will give a good kick which is what you want.
16. Rob-C Established Member Joined: Nov 2007 Maidstone Posts: 1223 Citroen Saxo VTR MK2

    #16 3rd November 2008, 20:22

    anybody answer my above question?
17. Dasher_VTR Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2007 Swanley,Kent Posts: 866 saxo vtr

    #17 3rd November 2008, 20:24

    nitrous oxide?
18. Rob-C Established Member Joined: Nov 2007 Maidstone Posts: 1223 Citroen Saxo VTR MK2

    #18 3rd November 2008, 20:32

    that will be the last thing added if i add it, any ideas about the cam question 2 posts up?
19. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #19 3rd November 2008, 20:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rob-C just a quick question... when i get my newman cam fitted do they fit the cam and time it up as standard timing untill i get it remapped?

    they will time it for that cam and it will be tweeked when mapped
20. Rob-C Established Member Joined: Nov 2007 Maidstone Posts: 1223 Citroen Saxo VTR MK2

    #20 3rd November 2008, 21:44

    so it would be no good getting the cam fitted and timing it as standard then untill i get it remapped
21. maddison_vts Established Member Joined: Sep 2008 Torbay Posts: 1565 2000 phase 2 Saxo VTS Turbo 2000 Nissan 200sx S14a

    #21 3rd November 2008, 21:53

    you will be a bit disappointed if you expect 'throw you in the seat' power from a cam. it isn't going to happen. it will be quicker, but not massivley. throw you in the seat power is when you get a large hit of power that comes with turbo's and nitrous oxide. if you want the feeling of been 'thrown into your seat' you will have to run boost or nos.
22. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #22 4th November 2008, 09:14

    as above you want a huuge turbo or nawws
    
    you just won't get the same effect from just fitting a cam. Certainly not one that doesn't require you to fit TBs and remap
23. dustcapart Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Whitstable Posts: 232 mk1 green VTR

    #23 4th November 2008, 09:29

    just buy really really soft padded seats no matter how slow you pull off your still be pulled into your seat
24. Dasher_VTR Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2007 Swanley,Kent Posts: 866 saxo vtr

    #24 4th November 2008, 10:09

    to get the that kind of power it needs to be instant like nitrous oxide like i said. cams give a good power gain but its kind of like eased on power not like nitrous oxide where it's like 50-100bhp instant.
25. Rhea21 Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2008 stoke on trent Posts: 649 now looking for a new car! NOT A CITROEN!

    #25 4th November 2008, 18:33

    if you want throw back power get a turbo fitted but your talking mega bucks for a good one!