Max BHP out of a 1.1?

  1. Established Member Joined: Jul 2008 Taunton, Somerset Posts: 1182 Millenium Falcon
    #1
    If you were to try to improve the performance of a 1.1, without Turboing or Supercharging, how much bhp would you think you'd be talking about?

    Basically:

    Enclosed Induction
    Manifold
    Full Exhaust
    Remap

    Maybe -
    Cam(are there any upgraded Cam's for 1.1?)

    Serious answers only please

    Oh and anything anyone else would consider doing, feel free to recommend.
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  2. Super Moderator Joined: Mar 2003 Durham (England) Posts: 37932 1. AX 2. Mk2 Saxo VTR 3. MK4 R32 DBP
    #2
    you may get it up to 75 - 85 bhp with all them and cams mate, tbh not worth the money, could just do a vts conversion for much less and gain more bhp
  3. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5
    #3
    65??

    what does it matter? wouldnt waste your money camming it, get dicked on by VTR's still.
  4. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux
    #4
    turbo it
  5. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Charming man Posts: 15880 Charming car
    #5
    Evo has got 75bhp out of his 1.1 206 so far.
  6. Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)
    #6
    Money no object you will be able to get more power than a Gti out of the lowely 1.1
  7. Established Member Joined: Jul 2008 Taunton, Somerset Posts: 1182 Millenium Falcon
    #7
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KamRacing View Post
    Money no object you will be able to get more power than a Gti out of the lowely 1.1
    Without changing the engine aswell? Unfortunately though, money is an object. What would you suggest doing Kam? I don't want it to be a VTR eater or anything, I just want it to be a bit more responsive, with better high end power, because the acceleration isn't bad!

    I don't want more suggestions of "Wack a VTR/S engine in it" because I know that's an option, I'm looking at alternatives.

    Cheers
  8. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Lincoln/Newark Posts: 2673 Mercedes C220, Scooby, Saxo VTS
    #8
    wouldn't worry about the top end tbh mate

    if it does over 100 then thats all you will ever need.

    I would get some decent suspension and brakes - they are also fun

    as you said before - exhaust, induction fannymold,cams,remap, even they will be expensive
  9. L-plater Joined: Nov 2008 Taunton, South West Posts: 50 Saxo VTR
    #9
    downersssss
  10. Established Member Joined: Sep 2008 Cumbria Posts: 1653 BMW E46 325ci
    #10
    not worth the money
  11. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2008 southend on sea,essex Posts: 4244
    #11
    tbh mate it aint worth it either stick a vtr/s lump in it or wait and buy a vtr/s.
  12. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5
    #12
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by badasssaxo View Post
    tbh mate it aint worth it either stick a vtr/s lump in it or wait and buy a vtr/s.
    whats with the "stick the vtr/s engine in etc" lol ffs sake he already knows that a alternative lol
  13. Established Member Joined: Jul 2008 Taunton, Somerset Posts: 1182 Millenium Falcon
    #13
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by John_1.1i View Post
    whats with the "stick the vtr/s engine in etc" lol ffs sake he already knows that a alternative lol
    Lol, cheers John, at least somebody read the post, I KNOW that I can stick a VTR/S engine in, but I'm also looking at alternatives, as I said before, I don't necesarily want VTR power, I just want to make it quicker, and I'm wondering how much this sort of stuff would add.

  14. Established Member Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1802
    #14
    With cam, headwork, exhaust manifold, exhaust, throttle bodies and management I'm sure you'd get it up to 110bhp, and it'd go really well, unfortunately you'd need to sell a kidney - the bhp per £ is not very good.

    I'd seriously recommend full suspension bushes, shocks and springs that are focused on PERFORMANCE not LOOKS, decent chassis stiffening - upper/lower strut braces, maybe rear strut brace, and look at some very good discs (black diamond or the like) and some very good pads, also braided hosing, then sort yourself out some lightweight wheels and something like the Parada-2 tyre, or the R888.

    This would make the lightweight 1.1 a REALLY fun backlane scratcher!

    Also, with the chassis sorted and your driving skills coming along, when you CAN afford the engine conversion, you have a perfect car to drop it in.

    Andy
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  15. Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2007 bournemouth Posts: 126 saxo vt- and r6
    #15
    15 bhp maby 20
  16. Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 Bridgend Posts: 1098 Golf GTI 1.8 turbo
    #16
    Stripping it to reduce weight something you would consider?

    If I was in your position I'd do what Luthor1 said
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  17. L-plater Joined: Nov 2008 coalville Posts: 37 citroen ax focus estate
    #17
    strip it out i mean totally and ditch the inj and carb her
  18. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 Midlands UK Posts: 4453 1.1??
    #18
    check this thread:

    Link

    He stated that he could nearly keep up with vtrs with his car fully stripped out and with the simple breathing mods he had done. His car wasn't excactly cheap-but it was done on a student budget (sort of)

    Think about de-catting-must have for gaining a bit more oomph, then think about your air filter (raceland green enclosed filter should be on your wish list) a decent exhaust overall-getting the right back pressure, a decent 4-2-1 mani, and a good suspension set up. Then ask yourself if you want to strip the car, and if not no worries, just be happy with the fact your car will aprox 70Bhp

    All that lot will be aroundd the £600-£700 region brand new
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  19. Established Member Joined: Sep 2008 Cornwall Posts: 1594 Mk 1 Red VTR
    #19
    As said here before, cheapest way to get more power is to strip it down to the bare metal inside, i mean take everything out just stick 1 seat in with the steering wheel. Should see quite a difference!
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  20. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2008 Notts Posts: 6227 White pug 106 1.6
    #20
    mate give up while your ahead, you can pick up a vts engine for under 500 just pointless to be ohnest doing up a 1.1 inless its for looks
  21. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 Midlands UK Posts: 4453 1.1??
    #21
    Really what you should focus on is what I mentioned above, get the simple breathing mods sorted that can be easily transferred over to a vtr/vts engine if you consider upgrading at any point, most saxo and peugeot parts are interchangeable anyway so just focus on the exhaust and the air filter for now
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  22. Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 Stoke On Trent, Staffordshire Posts: 189 Toyota Starlet SR, Toyota MR2, Saxo VTS
    #22
    buy a vts
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  23. Established Member Joined: Sep 2008 Tha Durrty Saaf Posts: 2095 BMX
    #23
    if your desperate for more power just wait a while till you can afford a vts, then worry about what perfomance mods will get you the most horse power.

    in a 1.1 the pounds spent to power gained ratio is too high imo
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